Reason updates (11.3.7 / 11.3.8) and Reason+

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Will you try or subscribe to Reason+?

No, I won’t even try it
367
75%
I will try it, but the subscription is not for me
46
9%
I will try it and consider subscribing
38
8%
I will likely subscribe monthly
10
2%
I will likely subscribe annually
27
6%
 
Total votes: 488
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Post 16 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
I wonder if this was planned from the beginning or is it yet another way to "incentivise" the subscription?
Have you ever read the terms of service? Have you ever read it for any software you own?

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Post 16 Feb 2021

moneykube wrote:
16 Feb 2021
:lol: not ideal is an understatement.... oh well... not going to argue with you... little point in that
Have an awesome day. :exclamation:
You as well! :exclamation:
Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
I wonder if this was planned from the beginning or is it yet another way to "incentivise" the subscription?
I seriously doubt bugs were planned. They happen, is all. And while some think this is the buggiest Reason release ever, I'd wager that the handful of people who are affected and pointing it out here represent a very small sample pool. I'm not seeing the social networking channels lit up with bug reports, anyway.

I suspect these bugs will be fixed and fixed soon. Time will tell.
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Post 16 Feb 2021

Oh I thought Billy was referring to the 12 months, not the introducing of bugs on purpose lol

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Post 16 Feb 2021

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Post 16 Feb 2021

joeyluck wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
I wonder if this was planned from the beginning or is it yet another way to "incentivise" the subscription?
Have you ever read the terms of service? Have you ever read it for any software you own?
Well not really it's just not something most people would do, normally we put our trust in the company and deal with the problems as and when.

But it looks like Logic provides updates for life all for a nice little sum of £200, Serum is the same and Spire also gives lifetime updates and support so it's not unheard of for software providers to be trustworthy which when I first brought into Reason was fairly obvious and up until the last few weeks I would have stated as a positive.

Now either someone just likes hyping the market or lockdown has driven them all crazy.
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Post 16 Feb 2021

joeyluck wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Oh I thought Billy was referring to the 12 months, not the introducing of bugs on purpose lol
I would never suggest bugs being introduced on purpose?

I'm asking for clarification on fixing bugs.

The posted image says you get a current version as a perpetual license and seems to suggest that it's the old sold as seen disclaimer

Where as subscribers get the latest most up to date version?

As things stand then we all have the same version but it 12 months perpetual owners would somehow stop getting updates? I'm not saying this is the case but that's what the image seems to sugges?

I would say someone from RS should clarify what all this means but I think we can already see what's going on!

Adobe disclaimer if you can't read this line it's your fault. :lol:
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Post 16 Feb 2021

joeyluck wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Have you ever read the terms of service? Have you ever read it for any software you own?
you mean the terms they keep changing unannounced?
How often are we expected to continually read the terms to notice the changes slipped in?
YES I read the terms... and have posted the terms and terms with changes :exclamation:
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Post 16 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
joeyluck wrote:
16 Feb 2021


Have you ever read the terms of service? Have you ever read it for any software you own?
Well not really it's just not something most people would do, normally we put our trust in the company and deal with the problems as and when.

But it looks like Logic provides updates for life all for a nice little sum of £200, Serum is the same and Spire also gives lifetime updates and support so it's not unheard of for software providers to be trustworthy which when I first brought into Reason was fairly obvious and up until the last few weeks I would have stated as a positive.

Now either someone just likes hyping the market or lockdown has driven them all crazy.
Logic provides updates to a single version of the software. And even though each version has a long life, new versions are eventually released. But Logic is a different beast, funded by a trillion dollar company. They also don't provide support for Logic 9...

Serum and Spire are single synths, mostly single products, and mostly unchanging.

Expectations just have to be set at a certain point for more complex software. If you want Reason Studios to keep supporting Reason 10, Reason 9 , Reason 8, and so on, for life...good luck with the features you want!

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Post 16 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
joeyluck wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Oh I thought Billy was referring to the 12 months, not the introducing of bugs on purpose lol
I would never suggest bugs being introduced on purpose?

I'm asking for clarification on fixing bugs.

The posted image says you get a current version as a perpetual license and seems to suggest that it the old sold as seen disclaimer

Where as subscribers get the latest most up to date version?

As things stand then we all have the same version but it 12 months perpetual owners would somehow stop getting updates? I'm not saying this is the case but that's what the image seems to sugges?

I would say someone from RS should clarify what all this means but I think we can already see what's going on!

Adobe disclaimer if you can't read this line it's your fault. :lol:
Here is Reason some other examples:

Reason Studios
https://www.reasonstudios.com/agreements
The Software is being delivered to you AS IS and Reason Studios makes no warranty other than that the Software shall conform to the specifications in the documentation during a warranty period of twelve months from delivery. Reason Studios will only remedy deviations from the specification providing that the deviation substantially affects your use of the Software. Reason Studios may under such circumstances choose to replace your copy of the Software with a new one.
Cubase
http://ftp.qbssoftware.com/public/eula/Cubase.pdf
You can only receive support, upgrades and updates following the personal product registration. Support is provided only for the current version and for the previous version during one year after publication of the new version. Steinberg can modify and partly or completely adjust the extent of the support (hotline, fora on the website etc.), upgrades and updates at any time.
Ableton
https://www.ableton.com/en/eula/
YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT USE OF THE SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, AND ACCURACY IS WITH YOU. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED “AS IS,” WITH ALL FAULTS AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND...
Presonus
https://www.presonus.com/eula
PreSonus makes no warranty that the Product or your ability to use it will be uninterrupted or error-free. PreSonus has taken all reasonable steps to keep its Products free of viruses, spyware, "back door" entrances, or any other harmful code. The Product(s) will not download or install patches, upgrades, or any third-party products without getting your permission. We will not intentionally deprive you of your ability to use any features of the Product(s) or access to Your Content.

THIS PRODUCT IS PROVIDED "AS IS"...

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Post 16 Feb 2021

moneykube wrote:
16 Feb 2021
joeyluck wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Have you ever read the terms of service? Have you ever read it for any software you own?
you mean the terms they keep changing unannounced?
How often are we expected to continually read the terms to notice the changes slipped in?
YES I read the terms... and have posted the terms and terms with changes :exclamation:
they change quite often lately... the lawyers have been very busy
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Post 16 Feb 2021

So as you can see, some DAWs say there is support for up to one year. And while most say "as is", some just leave it at that. Those are just some examples. Feel free to take a look at others.

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Post 16 Feb 2021

EnochLight wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
So if we want bug fixes like the current RAM bug we're going to have to subscribe?
No, it's been mentioned already that RS is working on a maintenance update to fix it, and I'm fairly certain it'll get sent down the stable channel for perpetual license holders that were affected. But had this bug happened 12 months from now, for perpetual license holders that bought a license after the announcement of R+, I'd say that's a very good question.

Maybe RS/James Pember can clarify...
Not that I know either way but I'd find it hard to believe that bugfixes would get hidden behind the R+ subscription. If one person has Reason 11 and paid outright for it, and another person has Reason 11 and pays for it via R+ subscription then both individuals have the same product. They're just paying for it in different ways. RS then fix a bug found in Reason 11 and all owners of Reason 11 get access to an update that fixes said bug.

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Post 16 Feb 2021

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16 Feb 2021
Logic is a different beast, funded by a trillion dollar company.
Let's hope Apple decides it wants to incorporate a rack style set of features into Logic in the near future and they decide to buy out ReasonStudios sack all the executives chunk loads of money at the development and leave the coders to actually make it work better rather than diversify its user base with some convoluted subscription service based on internet influencers notions of current trends. I mean come on emo rap ;) :lol:

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Post 16 Feb 2021

My god, 89 pages and this post / thread is still going?

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Post 16 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Let's hope Apple decides it wants to incorporate a rack style set of features into Logic in the near future and they decide to buy out ReasonStudios sack all the executives chunk loads of money at the development and leave the coders to actually make it work better rather than diversify its user base with some convoluted subscription service based on internet influencers notions of current trends.
I doubt Apple would continue to diversify the Reason user base even to include us Windows users :puf_smile:
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Post 16 Feb 2021

Yep and there's more to come

Reason+ the service that just keeps on giving

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Post 16 Feb 2021

orthodox wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Billy+ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Let's hope Apple decides it wants to incorporate a rack style set of features into Logic in the near future and they decide to buy out ReasonStudios sack all the executives chunk loads of money at the development and leave the coders to actually make it work better rather than diversify its user base with some convoluted subscription service based on internet influencers notions of current trends.
I doubt Apple would continue to diversify the Reason user base even to include us Windows users :puf_smile:
I try not to think about Windows user, feel to much like work ;) been an MCP MCDST for years.....
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Post 16 Feb 2021

89 pages, that sound pack was a success

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sdst wrote:
16 Feb 2021
89 pages, that sound pack was a success
Until you read the terms and conditions then you realise it's full of failure :o
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Post 16 Feb 2021

sdst wrote:
16 Feb 2021
89 pages, that sound pack was a success

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Post 16 Feb 2021

Clearly R+ is a success judging from all of the salt that users are throwing at it - by users who have no intention of ever subscribing. :lol: Jesus, if I spent half as much time throwing salt at something I never planned to buy, I'd never have time to actually sit down and produce music.
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Post 16 Feb 2021

EnochLight wrote:
16 Feb 2021
Clearly R+ is a success judging from all of the salt that users are throwing at it - by users who have no intention of ever subscribing. :lol: Jesus, if I spent half as much time throwing salt at something I never planned to buy, I'd never have time to actually sit down and produce music.
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Post 16 Feb 2021

moneykube wrote:
16 Feb 2021
how about 12 months support starting when the current version functions as it should without a multitude of bugs that never should have been a thing... and not support as a way and means to find and correct bugs in their coding( that IS what beta testing is for > correct?)... but true support >>>which should imo be perpetual and not for a limited time.( if indeed they address the support question in a timely manner... which is not often the case) Wow... so we get 12 months of support from purchase date with a flawed program...that is just another slap in the face.....fix the 4 or more "current bugs" and then perhaps12 month support ( although most companies offer support for their products in a much more generous way)
Another step backward imo.SMH :thumbs_down:
I"m amazed that you can still make music with such a deeply flawed and bug-ridden software!

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Post 16 Feb 2021

EnochLight wrote:
16 Feb 2021
this is the new normal. Get used to it.
What a nice attitude.

"Hey farmers, from now on all your produce is collected by the state and goes to a central depot"

"Do we get to keep any to eat for ourselves?"

"No. Every grain is to be deposited"

"That doesn't sound fair"

"This is the new normal. Get used to it"


12 months of support for Reason is laughable. You'd think just owning a license for the current version would entitle you to support access...

Again, a tone deaf music company really isn't playing well to the professional crowd.

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Post 16 Feb 2021

sprinkles__ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
What a nice attitude.
I think so. Thanks! :thumbup: :thumbs_up:
sprinkles__ wrote:
16 Feb 2021
12 months of support for Reason is laughable.
And yet it's been that way for many, many years - as well as many other DAW. I didn't see you complaining then. Why now? Ah, because comparing a completely optional sub service to some fantasy Marxist socialist nightmare is a great comparison. Got it. :roll:
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