Are all STOCK synths in Reason slow in changing presets?
I mean nothing comes close to comparing to the speed of sylenth1 right? when changing presets........
isn't this like very demotivating? waiting like 1-2 seconds for each preset?
please let me know ur thoughts
thanks
Are all synths in Reason slow in changing presets?
I don't have delays in changing presets in Reason Synths, so most synths load in less than 1 sec. For example, loading a preset by drag and drop on Europa, is fast. Faster than 1 sec. Same for most of the core synths, and I'm testing on a Microsoft Surface which is a slow machine compared to my studio's machine.
The slower device is probably NN-XT, but that depends a lot on the patch you're working with. The reason for NN-XT being slower than synths is that it has to load its samples into memory. And the more complex is the sound (nn-xt is a multi velocity layer sample, so some sounds can be huge), more memory it loads and more time it takes. But the time it takes to load is compensated by the quality of the sounds and very low CPU usage.
Another thing you have to consider, combinators will take the sum of all devices inside. So if you have a great sounding combinator with 10 nn-xt's (for example a Reason Drum Kit from the refill) it will take a lot of time to load, and you have to consider the method how these were created (multiple velocities for each drum, recorded with multiple mics). These are HUGE refills, all NN-XT. Account also for the complexity of cable routings between devices, may it be audio or CV.
Anyway, tbh... What is one second?
The slower device is probably NN-XT, but that depends a lot on the patch you're working with. The reason for NN-XT being slower than synths is that it has to load its samples into memory. And the more complex is the sound (nn-xt is a multi velocity layer sample, so some sounds can be huge), more memory it loads and more time it takes. But the time it takes to load is compensated by the quality of the sounds and very low CPU usage.
Another thing you have to consider, combinators will take the sum of all devices inside. So if you have a great sounding combinator with 10 nn-xt's (for example a Reason Drum Kit from the refill) it will take a lot of time to load, and you have to consider the method how these were created (multiple velocities for each drum, recorded with multiple mics). These are HUGE refills, all NN-XT. Account also for the complexity of cable routings between devices, may it be audio or CV.
Anyway, tbh... What is one second?
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Synths load patches pretty quick for me, but Combinators are slow to browse through. It'd be nice if there was some way it could recognize when a combi patch is mostly identical to the previously-loaded one and just has a different Thor patch inside it (or whatever), so it could avoid having to reload its entire contents every time.
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I've always compared Reason's patch changing to say that of Slylenth - which is instanteous, whereas Reason seems to idle for a bit.
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I have an Alligator patch I use a lot, it was in a folder full of lots of things on my desktop and Reason would freeze while it scanned the contents of that folder when I tried to access it, I put it in a folder by itself and the issue stopped and the patch loads instantly from my favourites section in the Reason browser. Patches can be a bit slow but once I'm in the right folder it's fine.
No problems here.
You should tell us the synths you are using causing you the most grievance. A combinator is slower to load than a patch for Substractor, imho.
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You should tell us the synths you are using causing you the most grievance. A combinator is slower to load than a patch for Substractor, imho.
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I9 9900K overclocked to 4.5hz
DDR4 3200MHZ
( manual measurement, seconds, not inside combis )
Massive X: 00.77 ~ 01.00
Europa : 00.80 ~ 01.00
Monotone: 00.80 ~ 01.00
Spire 1.5 VST: ~ 00.20 (almost instant)
Diva VST: ~ 00.20 (almost instant)
The vst are in a 7200rpm disk, and the ReExtensions in SSD.
Yup, maybe when you change presets in RExtensions, it's asking for the codemeter to send statistics (conspiracy)
This is a very bad test, but, yes, there is a 1 second delay between presets, but to be fair, I spend more time after is loaded, trying them out.
But I understand, we want snappy things and we are spoiled by good vst coding.
DDR4 3200MHZ
( manual measurement, seconds, not inside combis )
Massive X: 00.77 ~ 01.00
Europa : 00.80 ~ 01.00
Monotone: 00.80 ~ 01.00
Spire 1.5 VST: ~ 00.20 (almost instant)
Diva VST: ~ 00.20 (almost instant)
The vst are in a 7200rpm disk, and the ReExtensions in SSD.
Yup, maybe when you change presets in RExtensions, it's asking for the codemeter to send statistics (conspiracy)
This is a very bad test, but, yes, there is a 1 second delay between presets, but to be fair, I spend more time after is loaded, trying them out.
But I understand, we want snappy things and we are spoiled by good vst coding.
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None of the true synths take anywhere near that long. On a decent spec machine without masses of optimization and without overclocking it's like 0.3-0.4s per load. That's "true" synths though like Thor / Monotone / Malstrom / Subtractor. Synths which are based on sample content are an entirely different matter and depend on multiple hardware factors.
You have some sort of dinosaur harddisk?samsome wrote: ↑20 Jan 2021Are all STOCK synths in Reason slow in changing presets?
I mean nothing comes close to comparing to the speed of sylenth1 right? when changing presets........
isn't this like very demotivating? waiting like 1-2 seconds for each preset?
please let me know ur thoughts
thanks
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lol : )fullforce wrote: ↑21 Jan 2021You have some sort of dinosaur harddisk?samsome wrote: ↑20 Jan 2021Are all STOCK synths in Reason slow in changing presets?
I mean nothing comes close to comparing to the speed of sylenth1 right? when changing presets........
isn't this like very demotivating? waiting like 1-2 seconds for each preset?
please let me know ur thoughts
thanks
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Yes, they are all pretty slow compared to VSTs.
Some devices are slower than others, the Combinator and any samplers of course being the slowest, but even Europa and Subtractor are slower than VSTs like Synthmaster, DUNE, Spire etc (not just the relatively simple Sylenth1).
The more I use VSTs, the more this annoys me when I pull a Reason device into the rack
Some devices are slower than others, the Combinator and any samplers of course being the slowest, but even Europa and Subtractor are slower than VSTs like Synthmaster, DUNE, Spire etc (not just the relatively simple Sylenth1).
The more I use VSTs, the more this annoys me when I pull a Reason device into the rack
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