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So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by antic604
I'm starting to lose hope
Every time I fire up Reason or insert a Reason Rack VST in Bitwig or S1 I get hit in the face with its low-res, fuzzy image. I'm not a teenager anymore and I also work all day with computer, so I really want to have big, bold but SHARP controls and image on screen when spending time on my hobby. All of my other DAWs and virtually all plugins I actually use work well with Windows' 125% scaling, but not Reason.
I'm not expecting any of the Reason Studios' people to reply, but we have devs here, right? Surely they'd know? I imagine RS would come to them asking to at least test their REs with new bulid? I've been on the beta channel for v10 and have signed up when they asked for volunteers few months ago, but there's nothing happening for 3+ months there.
Anyone?
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by DaveyG
I think it will be here at the same time as the Covid vaccine, the Brexit deal and peace in the Middle East.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by antic604
DaveyG wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
I think it will be here at the same time as the Covid vaccine, the Brexit deal and peace in the Middle East.
Don't get my hopes up, man!
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by guitfnky
well, we know there's not going to be a major release this year, and we know this is a major project for them, which means it's PROBABLY (not definitely) going to come with a paid upgrade, which means not this year.
I imagine a GUI overhaul touches nearly every single aspect of Reason, apart from the audio engines/algorithms, so there are also probably hundreds of other tiny things that are related, that they're going to need to/want to address along the way--it's a major project.
if I'm not mistaken, they also started work on this major project after Reason 11. working in a technology environment myself I know that major projects such as this can often take a very long time--years, even.
have I mentioned it's a major project?
I think it's probably coming sometime next year, and I also think it's way premature to 'lose hope'. we know it's coming--just not when.
and they learned their lesson with the performance update--they're not going to tell us when, because if they end up missing the window, everyone's going to whine about it until it does come out.
patience, grasshopper.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by PhillipOrdonez
Patience is a virtue that can be learnt.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by moggadeet
I develop software for a living and it happened and happens in any organization I have worked in. As much as I would like to see this and other improvements added to Reason, the matter is one of incentives. Some quality-of-life updates like this one and some other well known ones are evidently overdue, but the company management just maximizes the short-term value it gets out of every hour any developer puts in. Any other criteria to prioritize work (highly requested but less income in the short-term or simular income but in the long-term) is difficult to get through management approval and as a consequence projects like this one are run as low-priority side-project from which developers might even get pulled off to help in the main projects when things get rough elsewhere in the organization. To strike the right balance is difficult and min-maxing might kill the product, so the product managers must choose the focus of the development wisefully. That said I think that they pulled out such an impressive development cycle with v10 (Grain, Europa, Monotone, Drum sequencer, Complex) that it will be difficult to top it in v11. But I will be happy to be proven wrong
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by Creativemind
DaveyG wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
I think it will be here at the same time as the Covid vaccine, the Brexit deal and peace in the Middle East.
You optimist you.
I'm starting to lose hope too. It's been months and months and months. I know Covid has got in the way but it does feel like waiting for us to find life on another planet.
I'd also (and I doubt it'll happen) like to see double clicking a parameter resets it's position to default instead of ctrl/click changed. So much faster.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by MannequinRaces
moggadeet wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
I develop software for a living and it happened and happens in any organization I have worked in. As much as I would like to see this and other improvements added to Reason, the matter is one of incentives. Some quality-of-life updates like this one and some other well known ones are evidently overdue, but the company management just maximizes the short-term value it gets out of every hour any developer puts in. Any other criteria to prioritize work (highly requested but less income in the short-term or simular income but in the long-term) is difficult to get through management approval and as a consequence projects like this one are run as low-priority side-project from which developers might even get pulled off to help in the main projects when things get rough elsewhere in the organization. To strike the right balance is difficult and min-maxing might kill the product, so the product managers must choose the focus of the development wisefully. That said I think that they pulled out such an impressive development cycle with v10 (Grain, Europa, Monotone, Drum sequencer, Complex) that it will be difficult to top it in v11. But I will be happy to be proven wrong
Finally a realist around here, lol. I think your version numbering is a bit messed up though, haha.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by fieldframe
guitfnky wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
well, we know there's not going to be a major release this year, and we know this is a major project for them, which means it's PROBABLY (not definitely) going to come with a paid upgrade, which means not this year.
Historically speaking, I’m not sure the size of the effort is necessarily connected to whether or not it gets held back until the next major version release. The performance update was its own huge project, and was described as largely a rewrite of Reason's entire audio engine, yet it was in a point release. And of course there’s VST support, which we don’t know how long it was in development, but was probably at least as long, yet it was in Reason 9.5, not 10 which came out only a few months later. (Someone may mention the story that Pelle “had VST working” years prior, but that would have been a proof of concept, and turning a POC into shippable code is often >90% of the work.)
One other thing that has undoubtedly been consuming a lot of time at Reason Studios, and basically has to be a point release: An ARM version of Reason for MacOS. The first Apple Silicon Macs are due to be announced this week, and will probably go on sale this month.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by guitfnky
fieldframe wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
guitfnky wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
well, we know there's not going to be a major release this year, and we know this is a major project for them, which means it's PROBABLY (not definitely) going to come with a paid upgrade, which means not this year.
Historically speaking, I’m not sure the size of the effort is necessarily connected to whether or not it gets held back until the next major version release. The performance update was its own huge project, and was described as largely a rewrite of Reason's entire audio engine, yet it was in a point release. And of course there’s VST support, which we don’t know how long it was in development, but was probably at least as long, yet it was in Reason 9.5, not 10 which came out only a few months later. (Someone may mention the story that Pelle “had VST working” years prior, but that would have been a proof of concept, and turning a POC into shippable code is often >90% of the work.)
One other thing that has undoubtedly been consuming a lot of time at Reason Studios, and basically has to be a point release: An ARM version of Reason for MacOS. The first Apple Silicon Macs are due to be announced this week, and will probably go on sale this month.
ah, excellent points! I was speculating, but was definitely forgetting that past context.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 09 Nov 2020
by Aquila
If Mattias were to pop his head in this thread and say something like, "We're getting there. There's still a lot to do before we can even think about giving an approximate ETA, but from what we've seen it'll be worth the wait" then I'll be happy.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by antic604
Aquila wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
...then I'll be happy.
Not only that. For 1 year+ I've not bought a single RE, because I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to use them without losing my eye-sight... High-DPI support would breath new life in Reason AND in Rack VST and REs in my case.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by jaeproduced
Aquila wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
If Mattias were to pop his head in this thread and say something like, "We're getting there. There's still a lot to do before we can even think about giving an approximate ETA, but from what we've seen it'll be worth the wait" then I'll be happy.
Not going to happen my friend everyone feels the same way and frankly being that November is the 20th Anniversary of Reason & NO Reason 11.5 or 12 kind of says it all. I think reason tech guys probably sitting around wondering if they're going to even have a job in 2021...
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by Loque
jaeproduced wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020
Aquila wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
If Mattias were to pop his head in this thread and say something like, "We're getting there. There's still a lot to do before we can even think about giving an approximate ETA, but from what we've seen it'll be worth the wait" then I'll be happy.
Not going to happen my friend everyone feels the same way and frankly being that November is the 20th Anniversary of Reason & NO Reason 11.5 or 12 kind of says it all. I think reason tech guys probably sitting around wondering if they're going to even have a job in 2021...
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7518271&p=507637&hilit=GUI#p507637
I think i read something somewhere (could not find), that they hope to get something working around the new year. I would bet on a new version 12 when the scaling is coming. Probably in the direction of the end of next year.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by miscend
I disable scaling with Reason. You get more screen real estate at the expense of smaller UI elements.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by DecafDreams
I just simply use standard DPI monitors only on my Reason set up. Problem solved. I won't be upgrading to a HiDPI setup until Reason supports it.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by guitfnky
my solution: just a really large 4k monitor (40-ish inches?)—everything looks about the same size it did on my old dual monitor 1080P setup at the same distance, but a LOT more screen area. still looking forward to the high res update though—would be nice to scale up another 10-20%.
and as long as you’re not going to be playing twitch shooter games on it, it’s kind of a waste to splurge for a “proper” 4K PC monitor at that size. decent 4K TVs are much more affordable, and the only real downside is having to turn the monitor on every time, which, I’ve oddly grown to actually like...weird.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by craste
Surely if Reason is turning 20 in November it makes sense to release the update which will provide the High Resolution scaling as 20 is in 20/20 which means perfect vision.
Reasons gone all 20/20 at 20.
I know, I should be in their marketing team.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by MattiasHG
Aquila wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
If Mattias were to pop his head in this thread and say something like, "We're getting there. There's still a lot to do before we can even think about giving an approximate ETA, but from what we've seen it'll be worth the wait" then I'll be happy.
Well, since that's pretty much exactly the truth: we're getting there. There's still a lot to do before I can comfortably say when it'll be done, but it's progressing well.
It's a big chunk of work because it includes many things. We're re-architecturing all of Reason to be GPU accelerated with a new graphics framework, designing how Reason and Rack Plugin will adapt to your resolution, preparing the Rack Extension build pipelines and distribution system, sorting out how compatibility between versions will work when REs have hi-res assets, re-making all Reason and native device assets that aren't already hi-res and so on.
I've seen some re-drawn native devices recently that look stellar, so I'm very much looking forward to it—just like you!
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by guitfnky
see? don’t give up hope.
just going to take time for them to get right—which I think most of us can be confident that they will.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by antic604
MattiasHG wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020
Well, since that's pretty much exactly the truth: we're getting there. There's still a lot to do before I can comfortably say when it'll be done, but it's progressing well.
It's a big chunk of work because it includes many things. We're re-architecturing all of Reason to be GPU accelerated with a new graphics framework, designing how Reason and Rack Plugin will adapt to your resolution, preparing the Rack Extension build pipelines and distribution system, sorting out how compatibility between versions will work when REs have hi-res assets, re-making all Reason and native device assets that aren't already hi-res and so on.
Ok, keeping my license then! Thanks
Now onto testing Live 11 beta
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by Aquila
MattiasHG wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020
Aquila wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020
If Mattias were to pop his head in this thread and say something like, "We're getting there. There's still a lot to do before we can even think about giving an approximate ETA, but from what we've seen it'll be worth the wait" then I'll be happy.
Well, since that's pretty much exactly the truth: we're getting there. There's still a lot to do before I can comfortably say when it'll be done, but it's progressing well.
Have I ever told you how much I love you?
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by MattiasHG
Aquila wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020
MattiasHG wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020
Well, since that's pretty much exactly the truth: we're getting there. There's still a lot to do before I can comfortably say when it'll be done, but it's progressing well.
Have I ever told you how much I love you?
I'm pretty sure you haven't! As a public face of a company, you don't get that a lot.
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by Loque
Sounds like really a lot to do and we know, it IS a lot to do. But it sounds promising. Crossing fingers that everything works well and fast
Re: So when is the high-DPI / GUI scaling update coming?!
Posted: 10 Nov 2020
by guitfnky
so presumably this means that those of us with decent graphics cards will actually see a performance boost, now that the GPU will be handling graphics and not the COU—correct? I get pretty good performance already, but an additional bump would of course be super welcome.
