Where can I get Tibetan Thighbone Trumpet samples?

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Post 25 Aug 2020

I remember seeing a sample set of Tibetan Thighbone Trumpets about a week ago...but I might have actually dreamt that. Anybody know of any for download? Thanks.
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Post 25 Aug 2020

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Post 25 Aug 2020

I could have sworn that was a joke
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Post 25 Aug 2020

Thanks. Yeah it was the Kangling one I saw. Unfortunately both of those packs require Kontakt :(.
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Post 25 Aug 2020

motuscott wrote:
25 Aug 2020
I could have sworn that was a joke
Yeah, I had to read it twice, lol

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Post 25 Aug 2020

Gonna just sample them myself off an old Psychic TV record.
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Post 25 Aug 2020

I guess some folks never heard of the Tibetan sky burial tradition. Lots of opportunities for Tibetan Thighbone Trumpets.

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Post 26 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
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I guess some folks never heard of the Tibetan sky burial tradition. Lots of opportunities for Tibetan Thighbone Trumpets.
Not sure how keen they'd be about anyone recording it though.

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Post 26 Aug 2020

The thighbone's connected to the kneebone...or is it the hip bone?...


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Post 27 Aug 2020

plaamook wrote:
26 Aug 2020
bxbrkrz wrote:
25 Aug 2020
I guess some folks never heard of the Tibetan sky burial tradition. Lots of opportunities for Tibetan Thighbone Trumpets.
Not sure how keen they'd be about anyone recording it though.
Long, long after all the scavengers flew away.
Wait for the Sun to dry everything first.
Then opportunities with battery packs, a Zoom recorder, and a Rode NT-SF1.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020
plaamook wrote:
26 Aug 2020


Not sure how keen they'd be about anyone recording it though.
Long, long after all the scavengers flew away.
Wait for the Sun to dry everything first.
Then opportunities with battery packs, a Zoom recorder, and a Rode NT-SF1.
Yum yum yum!!!
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Post 27 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020
plaamook wrote:
26 Aug 2020


Not sure how keen they'd be about anyone recording it though.
Long, long after all the scavengers flew away.
Wait for the Sun to dry everything first.
Then opportunities with battery packs, a Zoom recorder, and a Rode NT-SF1.
But all that would be there would be a pile of bones. They dont make much noise generally.


I’d say you wanna get there really early and plant some mics on the sly.
It’s the monks and yogins that play the trumpets man, not the dead guy.
He’s just dead.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

MrFigg wrote:
27 Aug 2020
bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020

Long, long after all the scavengers flew away.
Wait for the Sun to dry everything first.
Then opportunities with battery packs, a Zoom recorder, and a Rode NT-SF1.
Yum yum yum!!!
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Post 27 Aug 2020

plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020
bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020

Long, long after all the scavengers flew away.
Wait for the Sun to dry everything first.
Then opportunities with battery packs, a Zoom recorder, and a Rode NT-SF1.
But all that would be there would be a pile of bones. They dont make much noise generally.


I’d say you wanna get there really early and plant some mics on the sly.
It’s the monks and yogins that play the trumpets man, not the dead guy.
He’s just dead.
A) Let the sun do its job. A technique close to this maybe?

Wood Drying Conditions and Musical Instrument Sound Quality
Instrument makers, musicians, and sawing and drying pros discuss whether kiln-dried or air-dried wood affect the way a musical instrument sounds. February 14, 2010

Question
I am a luthier (I build stringed musical instruments) and I am concerned about the effects on wood structure from kiln drying versus air drying. Most luthiers prefer air dried and reference a change in the lignum during kiln drying, which makes the wood stiffer, more difficult to heat/steam bend, and potentially have more cracking. I do not know if they are referencing steam kiln drying or a dehumidification kiln. Does dehumidification kiln drying have less negative effects on the wood cell structure than steam kiln drying?

Forum Responses
(Sawing and Drying Forum)
From contributor T:
I'm not an expert by any stretch, or even a luthier. But I do have luthier customers and have been exposed to their varied likes and dislikes. I have sold kiln dried and air dried. I only sell air dried or green (3 of my regulars like to dry their own and request green) to luthiers now because I noticed the novice or beginner doesn't seem to reorder much.

In my layman's opinion, if a species is dried in a DH or vacuum kiln according to the well-established schedule for that specie, then any defects which are present are due to the growth characteristics or other external forces of the wood and the drying process itself does not add insult or injury to the cells compared to what air drying would do. Yes, wood can be dried too fast and caseharden, etc. and in my opinion, steam kilns can damage or at least alter wood cells in some species (i.e. walnut losing some color) but when properly dried in a DH or vacuum kiln, I do not see how the wood can be changed at the cellular level.

Moisture in wood weakens wood. So air dried wood which only reaches EMC is by its very nature (state of MC) going to be more pliable. KD wood right out of the box is 6% - 8% usually, so thin stock like that will probably be noticeably stiffer than air dried wood - not because the fibers have been altered (collapsed or honeycombed), but because the MC is considerably lower. Less moisture = more strength. For projects that can wait and you only have KD wood available, it will not take very long for the KD wood to reabsorb enough moisture to reach EMC and thus, you essentially have what is the equivalent of air dried wood. The bending properties would be the same as AD wood provided no defects occurred while kiln drying.

Luthiers are a picky lot to be sure, but I understand why. Tolerances are almost nil, and it is easy to think that unless the wood cells are as nature made them, the wood will not react consistently from build to build. I would submit that the noticeable difference from build to build, using the same species from different suppliers, is more than just MC. If you want consistency, buy 4/4 or better and resaw yourself. You will get consistent quality that way and have more control.

If you don't have the luxury of a good quality band saw, buy a moisture meter and only use the wood in a target MC% range per species. Now you have to decide what that range is because that too is a whole other discussion in your trade. The fact is, a build takes too long to be able to avoid reaching EMC and even if you could build one fast enough and get it sealed before that, I'm not sure it would be a good idea. A guitar is going to be exposed to about the widest range of environmental conditions possible over its lifetime, and an instrument which is inherently temperamental anyway needs to start life out at EMC anyway.

Don't forget, I have never built a guitar, so take all this for what it is worth.


https://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/ ... sical.html

B) The dead (man?) becomes the instrument. The recording engineer is there to capture the event, with a list I provided as an example.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

"It’s the monks and yogins that play the trumpets "

Those dudes want union scale! Go for the sample pack.
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Post 27 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020
plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020


But all that would be there would be a pile of bones. They dont make much noise generally.


I’d say you wanna get there really early and plant some mics on the sly.
It’s the monks and yogins that play the trumpets man, not the dead guy.
He’s just dead.
A) Let the sun do its job. A technique close to this maybe?

Wood Drying Conditions and Musical Instrument Sound Quality
Instrument makers, musicians, and sawing and drying pros discuss whether kiln-dried or air-dried wood affect the way a musical instrument sounds. February 14, 2010

Question
I am a luthier (I build stringed musical instruments) and I am concerned about the effects on wood structure from kiln drying versus air drying. Most luthiers prefer air dried and reference a change in the lignum during kiln drying, which makes the wood stiffer, more difficult to heat/steam bend, and potentially have more cracking. I do not know if they are referencing steam kiln drying or a dehumidification kiln. Does dehumidification kiln drying have less negative effects on the wood cell structure than steam kiln drying?

Forum Responses
(Sawing and Drying Forum)
From contributor T:
I'm not an expert by any stretch, or even a luthier. But I do have luthier customers and have been exposed to their varied likes and dislikes. I have sold kiln dried and air dried. I only sell air dried or green (3 of my regulars like to dry their own and request green) to luthiers now because I noticed the novice or beginner doesn't seem to reorder much.

In my layman's opinion, if a species is dried in a DH or vacuum kiln according to the well-established schedule for that specie, then any defects which are present are due to the growth characteristics or other external forces of the wood and the drying process itself does not add insult or injury to the cells compared to what air drying would do. Yes, wood can be dried too fast and caseharden, etc. and in my opinion, steam kilns can damage or at least alter wood cells in some species (i.e. walnut losing some color) but when properly dried in a DH or vacuum kiln, I do not see how the wood can be changed at the cellular level.

Moisture in wood weakens wood. So air dried wood which only reaches EMC is by its very nature (state of MC) going to be more pliable. KD wood right out of the box is 6% - 8% usually, so thin stock like that will probably be noticeably stiffer than air dried wood - not because the fibers have been altered (collapsed or honeycombed), but because the MC is considerably lower. Less moisture = more strength. For projects that can wait and you only have KD wood available, it will not take very long for the KD wood to reabsorb enough moisture to reach EMC and thus, you essentially have what is the equivalent of air dried wood. The bending properties would be the same as AD wood provided no defects occurred while kiln drying.

Luthiers are a picky lot to be sure, but I understand why. Tolerances are almost nil, and it is easy to think that unless the wood cells are as nature made them, the wood will not react consistently from build to build. I would submit that the noticeable difference from build to build, using the same species from different suppliers, is more than just MC. If you want consistency, buy 4/4 or better and resaw yourself. You will get consistent quality that way and have more control.

If you don't have the luxury of a good quality band saw, buy a moisture meter and only use the wood in a target MC% range per species. Now you have to decide what that range is because that too is a whole other discussion in your trade. The fact is, a build takes too long to be able to avoid reaching EMC and even if you could build one fast enough and get it sealed before that, I'm not sure it would be a good idea. A guitar is going to be exposed to about the widest range of environmental conditions possible over its lifetime, and an instrument which is inherently temperamental anyway needs to start life out at EMC anyway.

Don't forget, I have never built a guitar, so take all this for what it is worth.


https://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/ ... sical.html

B) The dead (man?) becomes the instrument. The recording engineer is there to capture the event, with a list I provided as an example.
But the whole point of the theigh bone trumpet is that it's an actual instrument played by the living made out of a bone from a dead person. You can kiln dry, sun dry , the thing all you like. Point is, it needs a living person ther blowing it. It's not the recording of some bones drying in the sun.

You can buy these things. I bought one for a friend when I was in nepal last. Didin't play for shit but no one really cares because they're used for ritual purposes. They're not meant to be played as pleasent melodic instruments.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020
bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020


A) Let the sun do its job. A technique close to this maybe?

Wood Drying Conditions and Musical Instrument Sound Quality
Instrument makers, musicians, and sawing and drying pros discuss whether kiln-dried or air-dried wood affect the way a musical instrument sounds. February 14, 2010

Question
I am a luthier (I build stringed musical instruments) and I am concerned about the effects on wood structure from kiln drying versus air drying. Most luthiers prefer air dried and reference a change in the lignum during kiln drying, which makes the wood stiffer, more difficult to heat/steam bend, and potentially have more cracking. I do not know if they are referencing steam kiln drying or a dehumidification kiln. Does dehumidification kiln drying have less negative effects on the wood cell structure than steam kiln drying
?


B) The dead (man?) becomes the instrument. The recording engineer is there to capture the event, with a list I provided as an example.
But the whole point of the theigh bone trumpet is that it's an actual instrument played by the living made out of a bone from a dead person. You can kiln dry, sun dry , the thing all you like. Point is, it needs a living person ther blowing it. It's not the recording of some bones drying in the sun.

You can buy these things. I bought one for a friend when I was in nepal last. Didin't play for shit but no one really cares because they're used for ritual purposes. They're not meant to be played as pleasent melodic instruments.
Not meant to, but you can if you want to. Maybe scoring for the next spooky Spitfire Audio context?

89% off on KANGLING $89 $9 until AUGUST 31, 2020.
https://strixinstruments.com/kangling-t ... d-of-death

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Post 27 Aug 2020

I’d buy that Kangling pack but you need the full version of Kontakt to use it right? Player won’t work. I’m totally confused about all that Kontakt stuff.
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Post 27 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020
plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020


But the whole point of the theigh bone trumpet is that it's an actual instrument played by the living made out of a bone from a dead person. You can kiln dry, sun dry , the thing all you like. Point is, it needs a living person ther blowing it. It's not the recording of some bones drying in the sun.

You can buy these things. I bought one for a friend when I was in nepal last. Didin't play for shit but no one really cares because they're used for ritual purposes. They're not meant to be played as pleasent melodic instruments.
Not meant to, but you can if you want to. Maybe scoring for the next spooky Spitfire Audio context?

89% off on KANGLING $89 $9 until AUGUST 31, 2020.
https://strixinstruments.com/kangling-t ... d-of-death
I had one. I tried. I'm telling you. It's not a trumpet in the usual sense. Or a flute. More like...a bone.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020
bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020


Not meant to, but you can if you want to. Maybe scoring for the next spooky Spitfire Audio context?

89% off on KANGLING $89 $9 until AUGUST 31, 2020.
https://strixinstruments.com/kangling-t ... d-of-death
I had one. I tried. I'm telling you. It's not a trumpet in the usual sense. Or a flute. More like...a bone.
I believe you.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020
plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020


I had one. I tried. I'm telling you. It's not a trumpet in the usual sense. Or a flute. More like...a bone.
I believe you.
I don’t believe you....

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Post 27 Aug 2020

plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020
bxbrkrz wrote:
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I believe you.
I don’t believe you....
You are right.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020
plaamook wrote:
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I don’t believe you....
You are right.
Joking aside, I really bought one for a Buddhist friend and it really was unplayable. And expensive.
I dont know where the bones come from but...well, there you have it.

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Post 27 Aug 2020

plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020
bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020

You are right.
Joking aside, I really bought one for a Buddhist friend and it really was unplayable. And expensive.
I dont know where the bones come from but...well, there you have it.
I understand, and you are right :puf_smile:
The OP was looking for samples, not buying or playing the real thing.
$9 for old bones. Not bad if you own Kontakt.

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Post 28 Aug 2020

bxbrkrz wrote:
27 Aug 2020
plaamook wrote:
27 Aug 2020


Joking aside, I really bought one for a Buddhist friend and it really was unplayable. And expensive.
I dont know where the bones come from but...well, there you have it.
I understand, and you are right :puf_smile:
The OP was looking for samples, not buying or playing the real thing.
$9 for old bones. Not bad if you own Kontakt.
What am I right about?...

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