Vocal is always off beat

[webpro]

I got a song that when i record vocals on it, it doesn't playback on time. It always have a little delay.
Even i if mute or delete all of the other audio tracks (loops and the guitar i recorded)
I even pushed the test further to record another song and it's working fine!
No delays on any vocals. What the heck is happening?

Thanks!!!

[Loque]

Reduce sample buffer in preferences (edit->preferences) and turn of Plugin Delay Compensation (bottom right)

[webpro]

Brand new Windows10 pc
32 gigs
I have set the sample rate down to 512.
UR22MK2 interface

Let me know
Thanks

[Loque]

Brand new Windows10 pc
32 gigs
I have set the sample rate down to 512.
UR22MK2 interface

Let me know
Thanks

512 is pretty high imo. I would use 64 or less if i want to record or play live. Check out that you have an ASIO driver installed and set as your audio device. And disable PDC if you record or play live. Be carefull with some limiters, linear phase EQs and so, which introduce massive latency.

[Boombastix]

The recording should still be on time regardless of delay comp and buffer size, no?
It's just that monitoring yourself via the DAW will be delayed. Isn't that how it works?

[KGB]

Sometimes I have vocal sync issues. I bounced the instrumental down to wav and record in a new project when that happens.
It definitely has to do with the delay comp, you are using a plugin that makes the delay rate to high to be suitable to record vocals into the same project.

[Oquasec]

Automating tempo is recommended

[ProfessaKaos]

Try bypassing all vocal processing/plugins and see how the sync is. It may be a plugin causing the issuse because it has incorrect sample delay information. Once all vocal processing/plugins are bypassed (and if the issue resolves by doing this) turn them on one by one to see which is the culprit. I've had this issue with some Waves plugins used within the new Studiorack plugin.

[guitfnky]

with a 512 sample buffer, that’s likely the problem. you want to get that as low as you can. 256 might work, but ideally 128 or less. make sure you’re using an ASIO driver—you’ll have difficulty getting lower settings if you’re not using ASIO.

[Oquasec]

Make sure your drivers can do anything below 60ms if you are inputting midi data from a controller.

[electricthing]

Hi,

I recently saw this video about Record Offset and a Loopback Test.
This is explained in Studio One but it involves all Daws because it is a possible issue with audio drivers.
I never heard of this and I have been using Daws for 20 years.
maybe a case of this?

[webpro]

WOW GUYS!!!!!!!! You are soooooooo nice! At least i know i won`t be alone trying to solve this issue.
I will read and try all of your suggestions tonight. Keep them coming!

THANKS!

[selig]

I got a song that when i record vocals on it, it doesn't playback on time. It always have a little delay.
Even i if mute or delete all of the other audio tracks (loops and the guitar i recorded)
I even pushed the test further to record another song and it's working fine!
No delays on any vocals. What the heck is happening?

Thanks!!!

Is it out of time on the time line, or just in your monitors?
If just in your monitors, is the delay still present if you drag the audio clip to a new EMPTY track in the sequencer?

[webpro]

I tried the ASIO driver
Buffer size 160samples (i hear clicks if i go lower than that)
and it didn't help

I also tried the ASIO Yamaha Steingberg USB ASIO driver.
As i got a UR22mk2 interface
Buffer size 32samples
Input latency 4ms
Output 3ms
Recodring latency 0ms
Still doing the same.

I have removed the processing on all of the vocals.
Does the same.

So i'll try the audio bounce trick.
Fingers crossed!

[Loque]

I tried the ASIO driver
Buffer size 160samples (i hear clicks if i go lower than that)
and it didn't help

I also tried the ASIO Yamaha Steingberg USB ASIO driver.
As i got a UR22mk2 interface
Buffer size 32samples
Input latency 4ms
Output 3ms
Recodring latency 0ms
Still doing the same.

I have removed the processing on all of the vocals.
Does the same.

So i'll try the audio bounce trick.
Fingers crossed!

What PDC is shown ("DELAY COMP" right bottom)?

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[selig]

I tried the ASIO driver
Buffer size 160samples (i hear clicks if i go lower than that)
and it didn't help

I also tried the ASIO Yamaha Steingberg USB ASIO driver.
As i got a UR22mk2 interface
Buffer size 32samples
Input latency 4ms
Output 3ms
Recodring latency 0ms
Still doing the same.

I have removed the processing on all of the vocals.
Does the same.

So i'll try the audio bounce trick.
Fingers crossed!

Again, is it out of time in the monitors or can you "see" it out of time on the waveform? The difference is important to finding the cause…

[webpro]

LOQUE:
I see DELAY COMP ON and 4 as digit
(don't know what it means)

Selig:
I enlarged the vocal the track and slowed down the tempo to see if it's the waveform or the outout/speakers and it looks like it's the entire waveform.
What i can tell you is the i recorded the same vocal on another track and both are a little late. Like if i was drunk or something lol!
They are perfectly "off beat" so to speak.


Man, i'm getting too old for that stuff hahahahaha. I miss my old Roland MC500!
Bahhhh, i'll get there (before i die?)

Thanks for your help guys.

[guitfnky]

okay, so just to narrow down...what was your buffer setting **when you recorded** the audio? I should have clarified that it’s important to have the lowest buffer you can when you’re actually recording. you can set it as high as you like when you’re just mixing.

to put it another way, if you have a high buffer setting when you’re recording, it could cause the delay you’re seeing, and if that’s the case, the delay won’t go away automatically if you just lower the buffer after you’ve already recorded. in that case, you would have to manually move the audio clip to line it back up.

one related setting you might look at to try to make sure it doesn’t happen again (if this is indeed the issue), is the Monitoring section options under the Audio tab in Preferences. if you have either Manual or External checked as the monitoring type, you could potentially encounter this sort of timing issue—if you use Automatic, any latency should be handled automatically by Reason.

[selig]

LOQUE:
I see DELAY COMP ON and 4 as digit
(don't know what it means)

Selig:
I enlarged the vocal the track and slowed down the tempo to see if it's the waveform or the outout/speakers and it looks like it's the entire waveform.
What i can tell you is the i recorded the same vocal on another track and both are a little late. Like if i was drunk or something lol!
They are perfectly "off beat" so to speak.


Man, i'm getting too old for that stuff hahahahaha. I miss my old Roland MC500!
Bahhhh, i'll get there (before i die?)

Thanks for your help guys.

OK, so it's not playback, it's the recording stage. One thing that could cause this would be any inserts in the Master section that would delay the track and cause you to perform it behind the beat.

[webpro]

Ok so it must be in the recording process as my buffer size was very high. I will try to record the vocals again (which i didn't like anyway lol).
I will also look into the Master section. In case i added something by mistake.
Didn't know about the "Manual or External checked as the monitoring type" thing. I'll check this out also.
Thanks GUYS!

[Loque]

Ok so it must be in the recording process as my buffer size was very high. I will try to record the vocals again (which i didn't like anyway lol).
I will also look into the Master section. In case i added something by mistake.
Didn't know about the "Manual or External checked as the monitoring type" thing. I'll check this out also.
Thanks GUYS!

Curious if a fx or the high buffe rwas the problem.

BTW: You can also edit your old vocal parts to be on beat. If everything is just a bit off, and you recorded only one take, than just move it a bit to the left. If you have several takes, it may be more work. Also try out the "comp" editing. See manual "Editing audio in the Comp Editor" for more details..

[webpro]

Man i just can't record vocals anymore!
Last take settings:
32 sample rate
Input latency: 2.6
Output latency 3.5
ASIO Yamaha Steinberg USB

I also tried LOW LATENCY in the MODE section.
Wow. Don't know what i happening...
I tried to slide the waveform but it goes one beat back.

I will look into this: "Editing audio in the Comp Editor"


If any have an idea pleas shoot. Thanks

EDITED:
This is odd. I think the vocal starts right on time but it lags after a couple of seconds (well i think?).

[webpro]

Ok i don't know if this could help but i did a test.
I created a new song and added a simple drum loop 4x4 and recorded one vocal: 1,2,3,4 on the beat and it worked perfectly!

But if i load older projects and want to record new vocals, well everything is late. Like a milisecond. Seems to start at the right place tho.

[Loque]

Ok i don't know if this could help but i did a test.
I created a new song and added a simple drum loop 4x4 and recorded one vocal: 1,2,3,4 on the beat and it worked perfectly!

But if i load older projects and want to record new vocals, well everything is late. Like a milisecond. Seems to start at the right place tho.

TBH, you never lost a word what fx you have in your settings...so no idea what causes the delay. Again, turn off PDC and it should work quite ok. And remember, you always have a latency. Even a lightbeam needs some time to get from a to b.

[webpro]

YAHOOOOOOOOOOO oh man this board is so great! It was indeed the PDC (Plugin Delay Compensation)

Here is the info. In case someone runs into the same issue.
http://docs.propellerheads.se/reason10/ ... .18.2.html

Thanks really appreciated!
Andre