White Sea Studio Does Reason Comp Blind Comparison

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Post 11 Nov 2019

JiggeryPokery wrote:
10 Nov 2019
guitfnky wrote:
10 Nov 2019
this particular video doesn’t seem too bad, but this guy is sort of known for putting out poorly-considered videos. and he talks like he knows his shit—he probably does, but if some of his other videos are any indication, he should stop presenting his “findings” as fact, when he’s not willing or able to do proper testing.

also, he’s annoying AF. 😆
It's a particularly moronic video actually: he's running a "blind test" yet describing perceived differences which inevitably creates biases in supposed blind test subjects (e.g.,it's the fallacy of the expert/argument from authority: "well, he must be an expert because he's got a YouTube channel, and he says he can hear a difference, therefore I can't be seen to be stupid in front of my peers and must therefore acknowledge a difference too!"). Like all poor vloggers, he likes the sound of his own voice a little too much and he doesn't know when to shut up and let people decide for themselves.

"I got a Reason Studios license... Reason... What's it called?" Great promo, a finely-considered target! Well done!
well, actually...yeah, you’re right. 😆

bugs me that RS just gave this guy a $600 license that he’ll probably only ever use for this one video. sure, for them it’s a free ad, but no one should be making purchases based on this dope’s opinion.

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Post 11 Nov 2019

Dopes' opinions are what life is about. We choose to love our favorite dopes, while rejecting others. Irrational. Human nature.
I think $600 was an excellent investment. 99% of his viewers won't have the tools nor the patience to build their own SSL bus comp clone. But how many people will be curious enough to try RS for free for 30 days, and form their own opinion, independent of the 'dope'?
How many will end up buying an intro version, standard version, or the full Suite? Let's say it's 0.5%. And how much is a standalone SSL bus comp alone? Compared to Suite?
https://www.waves.com/plugins/ssl-g-mas ... compressor

Already more than 10400 views. Does it matter if A sounds better than B?
No.
Very smart investment RS. Congrats. :puf_smile: :thumbs_up:

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Post 11 Nov 2019

I had a quick listen. The settings are not matched well enough to do a good comparison. The attack and release times are different. They need to be matched by ear as with all DIY gear the calibration of the knobs can be a little off.

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Post 11 Nov 2019

bxbrkrz wrote:
11 Nov 2019
Dopes' opinions are what life is about. We choose to love our favorite dopes, while rejecting others. Irrational. Human nature.
I think $600 was an excellent investment. 99% of his viewers won't have the tools nor the patience to build their own SSL bus comp clone. But how many people will be curious enough to try RS for free for 30 days, and form their own opinion, independent of the 'dope'?
How many will end up buying an intro version, standard version, or the full Suite? Let's say it's 0.5%. And how much is a standalone SSL bus comp alone? Compared to Suite?
https://www.waves.com/plugins/ssl-g-mas ... compressor

Already more than 10400 views. Does it matter if A sounds better than B?
No.
Very smart investment RS. Congrats. :puf_smile: :thumbs_up:
smart? yes. dopey move? also yes.

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Post 11 Nov 2019

guitfnky wrote:
11 Nov 2019
bxbrkrz wrote:
11 Nov 2019
Dopes' opinions are what life is about. We choose to love our favorite dopes, while rejecting others. Irrational. Human nature.
I think $600 was an excellent investment. 99% of his viewers won't have the tools nor the patience to build their own SSL bus comp clone. But how many people will be curious enough to try RS for free for 30 days, and form their own opinion, independent of the 'dope'?
How many will end up buying an intro version, standard version, or the full Suite? Let's say it's 0.5%. And how much is a standalone SSL bus comp alone? Compared to Suite?
https://www.waves.com/plugins/ssl-g-mas ... compressor

Already more than 10400 views. Does it matter if A sounds better than B?
No.
Very smart investment RS. Congrats. :puf_smile: :thumbs_up:
smart? yes. dopey move? also yes.
It is as much of a dopey move to be among the 10400 'anxious' people waiting for the final answer as well.
A or B? B or A?
It's a framing device.
I can't wait for the answer.
;) :thumbs_up:

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Post 11 Nov 2019

bxbrkrz wrote:
11 Nov 2019
guitfnky wrote:
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smart? yes. dopey move? also yes.
It is as much of a dopey move to be among the 10400 'anxious' people waiting for the final answer as well.
A or B? B or A?
It's a framing device.
I can't wait for the answer.
;) :thumbs_up:
yes, it’s basically clickbait, which is another reason it’s a dopey move.

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Post 11 Nov 2019

guitfnky wrote:
11 Nov 2019
bxbrkrz wrote:
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It is as much of a dopey move to be among the 10400 'anxious' people waiting for the final answer as well.
A or B? B or A?
It's a framing device.
I can't wait for the answer.
;) :thumbs_up:
yes, it’s basically clickbait, which is another reason it’s a dopey move.
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It's a question of perspective. From a RS's perspective that dopey move worked, as long as the topic is alive in people's mind.
A or B?. The result does not matter.

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bxbrkrz wrote:
11 Nov 2019
guitfnky wrote:
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yes, it’s basically clickbait, which is another reason it’s a dopey move.
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It's a question of perspective. From a RS's perspective that dopey move worked, as long as the topic is alive in people's mind.
A or B?. The result does not matter.
it seems maybe you’re missing the part where I’m agreeing with you 😆

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Post 11 Nov 2019

I find it difficult to take this guy seriously. A lot of the times its as if he is making the stuff up as he goes along.

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guitfnky wrote:
11 Nov 2019
bxbrkrz wrote:
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It's a question of perspective. From a RS's perspective that dopey move worked, as long as the topic is alive in people's mind.
A or B?. The result does not matter.
it seems maybe you’re missing the part where I’m agreeing with you 😆
And I agree with you 100%.
I am not a big fan of his 'snake oil' videos either. That's the state of mind right now. People called 'influencers' trying to make a living on a platform that may support or destroy them at any time in the future (but that's another layer of the onion).
The YT algo pushed White Sea to me one day and here I am.
'Influencers' are artificially pre-packaged, and their usefulness on a shaky ground.
A gentleman's bet that even White Sea does not know why he's popular right now.
:puf_smile:

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Post 11 Nov 2019

He's got you all talking about him though. Job done as far as he is concerned!

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xboix wrote:
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He's got you all talking about him though. Job done as far as he is concerned!
Might have yes but he is not getting more clicks from me though

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gullum wrote:
11 Nov 2019
xboix wrote:
11 Nov 2019
He's got you all talking about him though. Job done as far as he is concerned!
Might have yes but he is not getting more clicks from me though
And now I'm talking about him as well. Wow, he's good at this! :)

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Post 11 Nov 2019

Loque wrote:
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reggie1979 wrote:
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White sea is shit. Who cares what this dope believes?
Well, in this case he didn't believe anything...
:lol:

Is he monitized? If so, please do us a favor and ignore him completely :D

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Post 12 Nov 2019

Not getting into the discussion but...
guitfnky wrote:
11 Nov 2019
bugs me that RS just gave this guy a $600 license that he’ll probably only ever use for this one video.
Assuming that's true of course and that the story wasn't presented a bit "better". I mean, they also reached out to me by e-mail and sent me license for Reason 10. No lie.

Of course they did so after I paid them but that's merely boring details which no one wants to know about, right? ;)

I'm not saying this is what went down, in the end I don't know and care even less, but I do think it's important to always keep such possibilities in mind. It's not a full lie if you leave out some info and if it makes your presentation better, awesome! :P When it comes to youtube and such it's all about the presentation and how things look, because that might attract more views.
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Post 12 Nov 2019

I honestly don't get why all the fuss though. Its video, youtube, and presentation. What company hasn't done this?
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Post 12 Nov 2019

reggie1979 wrote:
11 Nov 2019
Loque wrote:
10 Nov 2019


Well, in this case he didn't believe anything...
:lol:

Is he monitized? If so, please do us a favor and ignore him completely :D
Well he got a free license to the suite so by the time you realised this video existed you were already too late... Further more any successful marketing by Reason Studios results in more resources for Reason...

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Post 12 Nov 2019

Periwinkle wrote:
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@reggie1979
Thank you for your articulate contribution.
However, it appears that Props reached out to White Sea and provided a free copy of Reason for testing, so it may be that they give a shit.

Whether we like it or not, influencers now play an important role in a persons decision to purchase things, particularly online digital products. This guy has over 62, 000 subscribers, most of who fall into the key demographic for this product. The review could potentially lead to increased popularity for the product and that increased profit could (at least in part) translate into product development.

These things are seldom as happenstance as they first appear, and may, in fact, be a contrivance of the marketing department.
The question is WHY? Everything he does is about snake oil. He's not whom I'd trust to do a comparison. What makes him special?

As far as being articulate, not everyone is exactly the same. I'm all about getting to the point, not trying to polish a turd :lol:

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Kalm wrote:
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I honestly don't get why all the fuss though. Its video, youtube, and presentation. What company hasn't done this?
Everyone is different but I think his snide snarky vids put him in the "stay away" category. Again, what makes him special? He blasts 95% of the products he "reviews" as snake oil w/o even trying to see what make something work.

I agree with the sentiment that it's a waste because he's not going to use it and why is he a viable spokes person? Seems odd to me.

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ShelLuser wrote:
12 Nov 2019
Not getting into the discussion but...
guitfnky wrote:
11 Nov 2019
bugs me that RS just gave this guy a $600 license that he’ll probably only ever use for this one video.
Assuming that's true of course and that the story wasn't presented a bit "better". I mean, they also reached out to me by e-mail and sent me license for Reason 10. No lie.

Of course they did so after I paid them but that's merely boring details which no one wants to know about, right? ;)

I'm not saying this is what went down, in the end I don't know and care even less, but I do think it's important to always keep such possibilities in mind. It's not a full lie if you leave out some info and if it makes your presentation better, awesome! :P When it comes to youtube and such it's all about the presentation and how things look, because that might attract more views.

But you just did :D

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Post 12 Nov 2019

One other thing, and this is nothing against anyone, but who cares? I use what works for me. Reviews are fine but all compressors are different. No effing way is there going to be an exact match or one is just vastly superior or whatever. Yeah, I think you can have a "bad" compressor but overall they can all work IF you know what you are doing.

And I think most of us do. I find the volume wars to be pretty much over among enthusiasts like us (regardless of level)

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Post 12 Nov 2019

reggie1979 wrote:
12 Nov 2019
Kalm wrote:
12 Nov 2019
I honestly don't get why all the fuss though. Its video, youtube, and presentation. What company hasn't done this?
Everyone is different but I think his snide snarky vids put him in the "stay away" category. Again, what makes him special? He blasts 95% of the products he "reviews" as snake oil w/o even trying to see what make something work.

I agree with the sentiment that it's a waste because he's not going to use it and why is he a viable spokes person? Seems odd to me.
Yea but anyone can do that. Its better than companies giving somebody a plugin and they talk about how great everyone plugin comes there way. I watched enough of those so hearing an actual 'opinion' was refreshing every now and then. I could honestly careless about what he knows or whether he's right or wrong. I'm there just to hear the plugin in action without me having to do it.

Truthfully, I stay away from a lot of YouTube accounts talking about mixing and plugins cause no one really knows what they're talking about. Tech, im having a hard time trying to not fall in that trap in my own channel
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Post 13 Nov 2019

Yeah I am totally with Kalm on this one. It's an advertisement, not a scientific test, and the only point of it is to show a "gluey" compressor in comparison with the Reason SSL, so that people who are not familiar with Reason can think about it for themselves. That's it. If you think the guy is annoying or whatever, sure, that's up to you, he's a youtuber after all, but a lot of you seem to be really overthinking it. Relax, watch a different video.
Kalm wrote:
12 Nov 2019
reggie1979 wrote:
12 Nov 2019


Everyone is different but I think his snide snarky vids put him in the "stay away" category. Again, what makes him special? He blasts 95% of the products he "reviews" as snake oil w/o even trying to see what make something work.

I agree with the sentiment that it's a waste because he's not going to use it and why is he a viable spokes person? Seems odd to me.
Yea but anyone can do that. Its better than companies giving somebody a plugin and they talk about how great everyone plugin comes there way. I watched enough of those so hearing an actual 'opinion' was refreshing every now and then. I could honestly careless about what he knows or whether he's right or wrong. I'm there just to hear the plugin in action without me having to do it.

Truthfully, I stay away from a lot of YouTube accounts talking about mixing and plugins cause no one really knows what they're talking about. Tech, im having a hard time trying to not fall in that trap in my own channel

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Post 13 Nov 2019

Kalm wrote:
12 Nov 2019
Truthfully, I stay away from a lot of YouTube accounts talking about mixing and plugins cause no one really knows what they're talking about.
A lot of YouTube channels just spew out a lot of common ideas and hearsay about mixing and audio engineering, probably learned from popular internet forums. Saturation this, "midrange" that. Transparent this, colored that. It's seems quite parallel to "bro science" in the fitness world. And of course, we should be seeing that these influencers are just reinforcing the marketing of gadgets and toys. They often parrot what the businesses are trying to sell you without realizing it.

While I appreciate White Sea attempting to go against the grain with his "snake oil" series, I don't hear enough from his work or his comments that makes him someone I will refer to when I need an informed opinion on something.

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Post 13 Nov 2019

Hearing some people’s feelings about the role of influencers and the potential for them to monetize their videos, it almost sounds like you’ve never actually used the internet (or visited the 21st century in general).

Has it escaped your notice that Reason 11 was launched with a Reason studios blog review by the influencer Andrew Huang?
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