White Sea Studio Does Reason Comp Blind Comparison

[Kalm]

Hearing some people’s feelings about the role of influencers and the potential for them to monetize their videos, it almost sounds like you’ve never actually used the internet (or visited the 21st century in general).

Has it escaped your notice that Reason 11 was launched with a Reason studios blog review by the influencer Andrew Huang?

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[Kalm]

Truthfully, I stay away from a lot of YouTube accounts talking about mixing and plugins cause no one really knows what they're talking about.

A lot of YouTube channels just spew out a lot of common ideas and hearsay about mixing and audio engineering, probably learned from popular internet forums. Saturation this, "midrange" that. Transparent this, colored that. It's seems quite parallel to "bro science" in the fitness world. And of course, we should be seeing that these influencers are just reinforcing the marketing of gadgets and toys. They often parrot what the businesses are trying to sell you without realizing it.

While I appreciate White Sea attempting to go against the grain with his "snake oil" series, I don't hear enough from his work or his comments that makes him someone I will refer to when I need an informed opinion on something.

Hence the reason why I'm trying pretty hard to determine the direction of my own videos. I don't want to be that, but mannn it's YouTube.

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A lot of YouTube channels just spew out a lot of common ideas and hearsay about mixing and audio engineering, probably learned from popular internet forums. Saturation this, "midrange" that. Transparent this, colored that. It's seems quite parallel to "bro science" in the fitness world. And of course, we should be seeing that these influencers are just reinforcing the marketing of gadgets and toys. They often parrot what the businesses are trying to sell you without realizing it.

While I appreciate White Sea attempting to go against the grain with his "snake oil" series, I don't hear enough from his work or his comments that makes him someone I will refer to when I need an informed opinion on something.

Hence the reason why I'm trying pretty hard to determine the direction of my own videos. I don't want to be that, but mannn it's YouTube.

It's time to plug your channel, man.

[Kalm]

Hence the reason why I'm trying pretty hard to determine the direction of my own videos. I don't want to be that, but mannn it's YouTube.

It's time to plug your channel, man.

I just got the last item I needed to start recording the new wave of videos.

[reggie1979]

Who cares. The thread is about White Sea and HIS interpretation and those of us who view him as an undesirable custodian.

Think what you want, it's up to you, but he's the last person I'd trust with this and I'm disappointed that someone so controversially known would be the spokes person for such an idea.

Out.

[Periwinkle]

You know, when I originally posted this I was just trying to take something positive from it. It's a bit like horoscopes in magazines. If it says something positive, I might think 'Wow, that's cool. Maybe life is starting to look up.' If it says something less positive, I'll think 'astrology is nonsense' (Which, of course, it is), and I will immediately forget about it.

My takeaway from the video was that both Mr White Sea and many listeners felt that the distinction between the compressors was not obvious. For me, that was an indicator the Reason compressor was good - or maybe a confirmation. I smiled, felt a brief moment of happiness, and moved along.

As far as Youtube algorithms and whatnot goes, that's simply the way most people experience music nowadays.
I'm lucky enough to have some nice monitors which are connected to a nice apogee sound interface, which in turn is connected to a wildly overpriced iMac. However, in reality, most of the music (if any) that I listen to in the daytime comes to me through Youtube via my shitty internet connection.

[bxbrkrz]

You know, when I originally posted this I was just trying to take something positive from it. It's a bit like horoscopes in magazines. If it says something positive, I might think 'Wow, that's cool. Maybe life is starting to look up.' If it says something less positive, I'll think 'astrology is nonsense' (Which, of course, it is), and I will immediately forget about it.

My takeaway from the video was that both Mr White Sea and many listeners felt that the distinction between the compressors was not obvious. For me, that was an indicator the Reason compressor was good - or maybe a confirmation. I smiled, felt a brief moment of happiness, and moved along.

As far as Youtube algorithms and whatnot goes, that's simply the way most people experience music nowadays.
I'm lucky enough to have some nice monitors which are connected to a nice apogee sound interface, which in turn is connected to a wildly overpriced iMac. However, in reality, most of the music (if any) that I listen to in the daytime comes to me through Youtube via my shitty internet connection.

Youtube is the new Auratone. Countless audio related products are recorded too hot, or demos of synths with deep beautiful spacious effects uploaded in mono, or worse recorded via the loudspeakers to the built-in mic of a camera. I believe this to be an excellent thing. If a product can survive across multiple reviewers and multiple situations, then that product is top, to me. An example is that ASM synth going viral on Youtube. Across multiple reviews and sound demos I concluded I'll never purchase one, because of the sound and its brittleness.

I am sure 99% of close to 14000 viewers (as of now) ended up with the same conclusion as yours: "Wow! Reason sounds FANTASTIC!"

[Periwinkle]

You know, when I originally posted this I was just trying to take something positive from it. It's a bit like horoscopes in magazines. If it says something positive, I might think 'Wow, that's cool. Maybe life is starting to look up.' If it says something less positive, I'll think 'astrology is nonsense' (Which, of course, it is), and I will immediately forget about it.

My takeaway from the video was that both Mr White Sea and many listeners felt that the distinction between the compressors was not obvious. For me, that was an indicator the Reason compressor was good - or maybe a confirmation. I smiled, felt a brief moment of happiness, and moved along.

As far as Youtube algorithms and whatnot goes, that's simply the way most people experience music nowadays.
I'm lucky enough to have some nice monitors which are connected to a nice apogee sound interface, which in turn is connected to a wildly overpriced iMac. However, in reality, most of the music (if any) that I listen to in the daytime comes to me through Youtube via my shitty internet connection.

Youtube is the new Auratone. Countless audio related products are recorded too hot, or demos of synths with deep beautiful spacious effects uploaded in mono, or worse recorded via the loudspeakers to the built-in mic of a camera. I believe this to be an excellent thing. If a product can survive across multiple reviewers and multiple situations, then that product is top, to me. An example is that ASM synth going viral on Youtube. Across multiple reviews and sound demos I concluded I'll never purchase one, because of the sound and its brittleness.

I am sure 99% of close to 14000 viewers (as of now) ended up with the same conclusion as yours: "Wow! Reason sounds FANTASTIC!"

I felt the same way about Serum, but evidently I'm in a minority. For me, its Spire all the way.

[bxbrkrz]

Youtube is the new Auratone. Countless audio related products are recorded too hot, or demos of synths with deep beautiful spacious effects uploaded in mono, or worse recorded via the loudspeakers to the built-in mic of a camera. I believe this to be an excellent thing. If a product can survive across multiple reviewers and multiple situations, then that product is top, to me. An example is that ASM synth going viral on Youtube. Across multiple reviews and sound demos I concluded I'll never purchase one, because of the sound and its brittleness.

I am sure 99% of close to 14000 viewers (as of now) ended up with the same conclusion as yours: "Wow! Reason sounds FANTASTIC!"

I felt the same way about Serum, but evidently I'm in a minority. For me, its Spire all the way.

When I watch multiple reviews of audio products online, I always try to close my eyes while listening.

[Periwinkle]

I felt the same way about Serum, but evidently I'm in a minority. For me, its Spire all the way.

When I watch multiple reviews of audio products online, I always try to close my eyes while listening.

I do the same thing when I’m driving. I find it helps me focus on the Force.

[bxbrkrz]

When I watch multiple reviews of audio products online, I always try to close my eyes while listening.

I do the same thing when I’m driving. I find it helps me focus on the Force.

[Timmy Crowne]

When I watch multiple reviews of audio products online, I always try to close my eyes while listening.

I do the same thing when I’m driving. I find it helps me focus on the Force.

Okay I actually laughed at this.

As far as the blind test, I have some reservations about his methodology. I don’t think it’s accurate to compare devices by simply using similar knob settings and eyeballing VU meter readings, especially when the devices weren’t calibrated to each other. I think he would need to first calibrate the devices using test tones and an oscilloscope to confirm that the ratio, attack and release settings actually correspond across devices in the time domain. Maybe he did calibrate them, but he didn’t show it.

With that being said, I preferred 1A, 2B and 3A. It seemed like there were some differences in level, but the overall contrast wasn’t so stark that one compressor was obviously garbage. Then again, we didn’t get a comparison of Reason’s master bus compressor and an actual analog SSL bus compressor.

With respect to his channel, I don’t plan on watching him anymore. I’ve watched a few of his videos and the rushed nature of his tests damage his credibility as far as I’m concerned. His biases and prejudices against plugins, combined with his apparent refusal to Read The Manual, just seem bizarre.

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I do the same thing when I’m driving. I find it helps me focus on the Force.

Okay I actually laughed at this.

As far as the blind test, I have some reservations about his methodology. I don’t think it’s accurate to compare devices by simply using similar knob settings and eyeballing VU meter readings, especially when the devices weren’t calibrated to each other. I think he would need to first calibrate the devices using test tones and an oscilloscope to confirm that the ratio, attack and release settings actually correspond across devices in the time domain. Maybe he did calibrate them, but he didn’t show it.

With that being said, I preferred 1A, 2B and 3A. It seemed like there were some differences in level, but the overall contrast wasn’t so stark that one compressor was obviously garbage. Then again, we didn’t get a comparison of Reason’s master bus compressor and an actual analog SSL bus compressor.

With respect to his channel, I don’t plan on watching him anymore. I’ve watched a few of his videos and the rushed nature of his tests damage his credibility as far as I’m concerned. His biases and prejudices against plugins, combined with his apparent refusal to Read The Manual, just seem bizarre.

This. He himself believes in snake oil, but in analog snake oil.

By the way, the results are out:
(AAB = Reason)

[xboix]

That haircut. No. Just No.

[bxbrkrz]

Okay I actually laughed at this.

As far as the blind test, I have some reservations about his methodology. I don’t think it’s accurate to compare devices by simply using similar knob settings and eyeballing VU meter readings, especially when the devices weren’t calibrated to each other. I think he would need to first calibrate the devices using test tones and an oscilloscope to confirm that the ratio, attack and release settings actually correspond across devices in the time domain. Maybe he did calibrate them, but he didn’t show it.

With that being said, I preferred 1A, 2B and 3A. It seemed like there were some differences in level, but the overall contrast wasn’t so stark that one compressor was obviously garbage. Then again, we didn’t get a comparison of Reason’s master bus compressor and an actual analog SSL bus compressor.

With respect to his channel, I don’t plan on watching him anymore. I’ve watched a few of his videos and the rushed nature of his tests damage his credibility as far as I’m concerned. His biases and prejudices against plugins, combined with his apparent refusal to Read The Manual, just seem bizarre.

This. He himself believes in snake oil, but in analog snake oil.

By the way, the results are out:
(AAB = Reason)

Conclusion: no need wasting $$+Time building your own SSL compressor. Buy Reason Studios instead.
{Reason Studios logo smiley missing}

[orthodox]

By the way, the results are out:
(AAB = Reason)

Now this video is an obvious Reason ad.

[TritoneAddiction]

By the way, the results are out:
(AAB = Reason)

Ok so I had no idea which was Reason and which was the analog compressor when listening to the first video.
But I did think AAB sounded the best.

[miscend]

The Reason Buss comp is really good. Did my own shootout years ago and found it just as good.

[Goriila Texas]

I knew those first two files(A,A) at modest setting was Reason it was hard to tell when slam with compression on the last file. The only setting that sounds good on Reasons bus compressor is hitting it just enough that the needle wiggles on the first line on the compression meter. Anything more will suck the life out of the source imo.

[bxbrkrz]

Everybody loves RS (Reason's Sound).

[reggie1979]

Yeah, REASON SOUND, er um, what?

This guy is a twit. Ignoring him is the best source of material. Or, subject to his useless nonsense and be a sheeple.

Your choice.

[Periwinkle]

baa

[reggie1979]

Or you could tear yourself away for a moment and realize that many (if not most) of us are not into him and his.

Or again, you could just keep posting your biased opinions of how great he is

[Seckin]

Lol I don't know who this Mr. White Sea is but he sure looks like an audiophile version of Domagoj Vida, a Croatian footballer.

[reggie1979]

I dunno, maybe I'm too passionate about it. I just hate that he gets all this attention and he's nearly useless.