Reason Suite Upgrade Questions

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Post 27 Aug 2019

Luxuria wrote:
27 Aug 2019
I'm not sure why a lot of people are so confused? I wonder if the marketing team is intentionally trying to trip people up.

Reason Suite is just like any other bundle deal guys. It's exactly the same as the Rigs bundles.

Just because it's tied in as a Reason upgrade path doesn't change anything. Phead Marketing getting sleazy since bundles on the shop page weren't getting enough attention the decided to promote them during a major release.

It's 15 old devices that you can get on the shop for full price or half price during sales and 1 new RE device that will be sold separately outside the Suite bundle at $99 and most likely see the spotlight in "deal of the week" for 50% off eventually.

Whatever your upgrade path is now will have no impact on Reason 12's pricing in the future.

Since Mattias said that Suite is an "as is" deal, there likely won't be a discount from Suite 11 to Suite 12 if there even is one.
Yep this is a great way to look at it. They are lumping in a bundle deal disguised as an upgrade 'path' . Its just more dubious marketing tactics.

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Post 27 Aug 2019

QVprod wrote:
27 Aug 2019
guitfnky wrote:
26 Aug 2019


I mean once v11 is released. if I buy 11 Standard in October, for $130, what will they charge if I then decide I want to get the suite in December? it should be the difference of $120, not the full $250.
That’s what I answered. The $250 price includes the upgrade from a previous version. That would be dumb to be the same price, just like the price from Intro and previously Essentials to the full version was a lesser price than buying it new. No one currently has 11 so they don’t have a need to list what an 11 Standard to suite upgrade price would be just yet. Personally, I doubt it will be $250
well, you said specifically, v10 and below. I’m obviously not talking about that scenario, since I said v11 Standard to Suite.

so my takeaway is that what you’re saying is you *didn’t* answer it because you couldn’t answer it, because no one knows yet. one example: “I doubt” is a phrase that gets used when one doesn’t have an exact answer.

anyhoo, it doesn’t matter much right now—I agree with you there, but it’s only a month away. it’s something they’re going to need to figure out pretty soon, but they’ve still got time.

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Post 28 Aug 2019

QVprod wrote:
27 Aug 2019
guitfnky wrote:
26 Aug 2019


I mean once v11 is released. if I buy 11 Standard in October, for $130, what will they charge if I then decide I want to get the suite in December? it should be the difference of $120, not the full $250.
That’s what I answered. The $250 price includes the upgrade from a previous version. That would be dumb to be the same price, just like the price from Intro and previously Essentials to the full version was a lesser price than buying it new. No one currently has 11 so they don’t have a need to list what an 11 Standard to suite upgrade price would be just yet. Personally, I doubt it will be $250
Anyone who purchases Reason 10 today automatically has Reason 11. There is then no upgrade path for those folks to Reason 11 Suite.
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Post 28 Aug 2019

selig wrote:
28 Aug 2019
QVprod wrote:
27 Aug 2019


That’s what I answered. The $250 price includes the upgrade from a previous version. That would be dumb to be the same price, just like the price from Intro and previously Essentials to the full version was a lesser price than buying it new. No one currently has 11 so they don’t have a need to list what an 11 Standard to suite upgrade price would be just yet. Personally, I doubt it will be $250
Anyone who purchases Reason 10 today automatically has Reason 11. There is then no upgrade path for those folks to Reason 11 Suite.
Well, seems I was right. The upgrade path isn’t $250 just as expected. It simply doesn’t exist. :puf_bigsmile:

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Post 28 Aug 2019

Why won't they let us pre order though? I don't want to wait until the 25th to buy the suite.

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Post 28 Aug 2019

PhillipOrdonez wrote:
28 Aug 2019
Why won't they let us pre order though? I don't want to wait until the 25th to buy the suite.
At the risk of sounding too sceptic (not necessarily my intent): money.

Right now the only way of grabbing the gear is to spend money on it, around 2k total (I have this from a "reliable source" :puf_bigsmile: ), after which you get to use your goodies right away. Or you postpone purchase (and work?), wait around a month and then enjoy the discount.

If the Props would apply this now there's a huge potential of losing out on big(er) sales.
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Post 28 Aug 2019

fretshot7 wrote:
27 Aug 2019
Luxuria wrote:
27 Aug 2019
I'm not sure why a lot of people are so confused? I wonder if the marketing team is intentionally trying to trip people up.

Reason Suite is just like any other bundle deal guys. It's exactly the same as the Rigs bundles.

Just because it's tied in as a Reason upgrade path doesn't change anything. Phead Marketing getting sleazy since bundles on the shop page weren't getting enough attention the decided to promote them during a major release.

It's 15 old devices that you can get on the shop for full price or half price during sales and 1 new RE device that will be sold separately outside the Suite bundle at $99 and most likely see the spotlight in "deal of the week" for 50% off eventually.

Whatever your upgrade path is now will have no impact on Reason 12's pricing in the future.

Since Mattias said that Suite is an "as is" deal, there likely won't be a discount from Suite 11 to Suite 12 if there even is one.
Yep this is a great way to look at it. They are lumping in a bundle deal disguised as an upgrade 'path' . Its just more dubious marketing tactics.
Yepp that is true! But its a damn good bundle for me who has none of the rack extensions ;)

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Post 28 Aug 2019

ShelLuser wrote:
28 Aug 2019
PhillipOrdonez wrote:
28 Aug 2019
Why won't they let us pre order though? I don't want to wait until the 25th to buy the suite.
At the risk of sounding too sceptic (not necessarily my intent): money.

Right now the only way of grabbing the gear is to spend money on it, around 2k total (I have this from a "reliable source" :puf_bigsmile: ), after which you get to use your goodies right away. Or you postpone purchase (and work?), wait around a month and then enjoy the discount.

If the Props would apply this now there's a huge potential of losing out on big(er) sales.
A bigger sale between now and launch date? 🤔

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Post 28 Aug 2019

PhillipOrdonez wrote:
28 Aug 2019
Why won't they let us pre order though? I don't want to wait until the 25th to buy the suite.
Because that would be tricky technically and lawfully as it's not completed yet....
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Post 28 Aug 2019

rudiarii wrote:
28 Aug 2019
PhillipOrdonez wrote:
28 Aug 2019
Why won't they let us pre order though? I don't want to wait until the 25th to buy the suite.
Because that would be tricky technically and lawfully as it's not completed yet....
What isn't completed yet? If you mean Reason 11, then That makes no sense since we can buy the upgrade now.

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Post 28 Aug 2019

PhillipOrdonez wrote:
28 Aug 2019
rudiarii wrote:
28 Aug 2019


Because that would be tricky technically and lawfully as it's not completed yet....
What isn't completed yet? If you mean Reason 11, then That makes no sense since we can buy the upgrade now.
I'm talking about the suite.....
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Post 28 Aug 2019

PhillipOrdonez wrote:
28 Aug 2019
ShelLuser wrote:
28 Aug 2019

At the risk of sounding too sceptic (not necessarily my intent): money.

Right now the only way of grabbing the gear is to spend money on it, around 2k total (I have this from a "reliable source" :puf_bigsmile: ), after which you get to use your goodies right away. Or you postpone purchase (and work?), wait around a month and then enjoy the discount.

If the Props would apply this now there's a huge potential of losing out on big(er) sales.
A bigger sale between now and launch date? 🤔
Well... if someone who's unaware of the Suite version (it is a little buried on the Props website) buys 2 RE's at the cost of E 99,- each then that would be a decently big sale. Something they might miss out on if you could pre-order and unlock the RE's right now.

Of course this is pure speculation.
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Post 28 Aug 2019

rudiarii wrote:
28 Aug 2019
PhillipOrdonez wrote:
28 Aug 2019


What isn't completed yet? If you mean Reason 11, then That makes no sense since we can buy the upgrade now.
I'm talking about the suite.....
The suite is the same r11 plus rack extensions... Only one of which isn't released yet.

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boingy
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Post 28 Aug 2019

You can't buy the upgrade now. You can buy R10. Just because that gives you a free upgrade to R11 does not mean you have bought R11 today. You are not pre-ordering R11. You are buying R10. Nothing R11 is released until 25th.

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Post 28 Aug 2019

selig wrote:
28 Aug 2019
QVprod wrote:
27 Aug 2019


That’s what I answered. The $250 price includes the upgrade from a previous version. That would be dumb to be the same price, just like the price from Intro and previously Essentials to the full version was a lesser price than buying it new. No one currently has 11 so they don’t have a need to list what an 11 Standard to suite upgrade price would be just yet. Personally, I doubt it will be $250
Anyone who purchases Reason 10 today automatically has Reason 11. There is then no upgrade path for those folks to Reason 11 Suite.
From the FAQ
Can I upgrade directly from Reason Intro/Reason Lite to Reason Suite?
No, but you can upgrade your Reason Intro or Reason Lite license directly to Reason 11 and then, if you want, upgrade Reason 11 to Reason 11 Suite

I can't see why this "upgrade Reason 11 to Reason 11 Suite" would be restricted for customers that have come from the "Intro/Lite" path.

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MrFigg
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Post 29 Aug 2019

The first three REs in the Popular Right Now section of the shop are Complex, Processed Pianos and RDK. All currently priced at €99. Do you think people don't know what's coming?

stxlm
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Post 08 Sep 2019

This is something I'd like to have cleared up from an official source.

Will the Suite work as a way to get (some of) the official RE:s and players released since the last upgrade?

Will Suite content be upgraded "mid version" at all, say, if a new Reason Studios RE is released?

Does it work like a subscription - meaning, if I downgrade from Suite to normal when Reason 12 comes out, will I lose the extra content I paid for?

As it stands, Suite is a very good deal for most.
But it would be very good to know these things before we make the commitment.

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Post 08 Sep 2019

I had some time on my hands this may help UK users with price point regarding Suite



Complex-1 Modular Synthesizer £89.00
Drum Sequencer £62.00
Layers £89.00
Layers Wave Edition £89.00
Parsec Spectral Synthesizer £107.00
Polar Dual Pitch Shifter £62.00
PolyStep Sequencer £62.00
Processed Pianos £89.00
Quad Note Generator £62.00
Radical Keys £89.00
Reason Drum Kits £89.00
Reason Electric Bass £89.00
Rotor Rotary Speaker £44.00
Scenic Hybrid Instrument ?????????
Umpf Club Drums £89.00
Umpf Retro Beats £89.00

£1200+
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Post 08 Sep 2019

Skimrok wrote:
08 Sep 2019
I had some time on my hands this may help UK users with price point regarding Suite



Complex-1 Modular Synthesizer £89.00
Drum Sequencer £62.00
Layers £89.00
Layers Wave Edition £89.00
Parsec Spectral Synthesizer £107.00
Polar Dual Pitch Shifter £62.00
PolyStep Sequencer £62.00
Processed Pianos £89.00
Quad Note Generator £62.00
Radical Keys £89.00
Reason Drum Kits £89.00
Reason Electric Bass £89.00
Rotor Rotary Speaker £44.00
Scenic Hybrid Instrument ?????????
Umpf Club Drums £89.00
Umpf Retro Beats £89.00

£1200+
Wow, 1200 worth of REs for 120?

Sold!

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boingy
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Post 08 Sep 2019

Hehe. They are only worth that if you want them all and if you value each one at those prices. If you only want a couple of them you might be better off waiting for the inevitable sale.

The VST world is full of "Was £89, now £15" type offers.
pluginboutique is probably the most ridiculous for that stuff.

spacepluk
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Post 08 Sep 2019

You can’t really compare this with Native Instruments pricing though. With NI you can sell your individual licenses and get back some of your investment but you can’t sell rack extensions.

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Carly(Poohbear)
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Post 08 Sep 2019

Skimrok wrote:
08 Sep 2019
I had some time on my hands this may help UK users with price point regarding Suite



Complex-1 Modular Synthesizer £89.00
Drum Sequencer £62.00
Layers £89.00
Layers Wave Edition £89.00
Parsec Spectral Synthesizer £107.00
Polar Dual Pitch Shifter £62.00
PolyStep Sequencer £62.00
Processed Pianos £89.00
Quad Note Generator £62.00
Radical Keys £89.00
Reason Drum Kits £89.00
Reason Electric Bass £89.00
Rotor Rotary Speaker £44.00
Scenic Hybrid Instrument ?????????
Umpf Club Drums £89.00
Umpf Retro Beats £89.00

£1200+
This is a good little calculator to work out if it's worth it or not :)
http://stopdelaying.com/reason/sales

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Post 09 Sep 2019

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guitfnky
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Post 09 Sep 2019

wow, that’s pretty disappointing. so if you’re on the fence about going with the Suite, you’re better off not upgrading to 11 at all until you’ve made a firm decision.

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Post 09 Sep 2019

antic604 wrote:
09 Sep 2019
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guitfnky wrote:
09 Sep 2019
wow, that’s pretty disappointing. so if you’re on the fence about going with the Suite, you’re better off not upgrading to 11 at all until you’ve made a firm decision.

I wonder how many have upgraded to 10 and were going to upgrade to the Suite as they thought the cost would be nearier the difference...

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