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Post 01 Nov 2018

Lets emulate the higher quality DSP with less CPU hungry solutions.com

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Post 01 Nov 2018

Heigen5 wrote:
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You can't polish a turd but you can route it via a million dollar Reverb and make it a "million dollar reverbera turd".
That said, soundquality is oftenly in a source and not in a saviour magic-chain. Did my i7 @3,4 become a victim of these million dollar Reverberas?
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Lets emulate the higher quality DSP with less CPU hungry solutions.com


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Post 01 Nov 2018

Just thinking aloud here. I know how soundquality/code in a digital world doesn't know what sounds good.

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I'm getting the i9 9900k on sunday if everything goes well. It might very well be the fastest, but not the best. The ludicrous pricing and heat generation holds it back.

Got some projects hitting the DSP ceiling, will be interesting how this monster handles it. Currently using an i7 6700k.
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Post 01 Nov 2018

for 200$ you can get cpus that do 15,000 bench.
For bout 70$ you can get some standard cpus that do round 4000-6000.
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Post 01 Nov 2018

Oquasec wrote:
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for 200$ you can get cpus that do 15,000 bench.
For bout 70$ you can get some standard cpus that do round 4000-6000.
Rattling off random numbers is useless. What is "15,000 bench"? It would be far more useful if you linked to their Passmark scores and specified single-thread score or multi-thread. Try https://www.cpubenchmark.net/ :thumbs_up:
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I'm getting the i9 9900k on sunday if everything goes well. It might very well be the fastest, but not the best. The ludicrous pricing and heat generation holds it back.

Got some projects hitting the DSP ceiling, will be interesting how this monster handles it. Currently using an i7 6700k.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/In ... 2565vs3334

Looks like it will be almost twice as fast as your current chip in multi-threaded scenarios - not too shabby! But your Passmark single thread rating isn't terrible (2353), whereas the 9900k is pulling around 2894 - roughly a 23% increase in performance. Reason is going to benefit from the single thread performance.

The max TDP is the exact same as your current chip, so I wouldn't worry about heat gen unless you get a crappy cooler.


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Post 01 Nov 2018

EnochLight wrote:
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candybag wrote:
01 Nov 2018
I'm getting the i9 9900k on sunday if everything goes well. It might very well be the fastest, but not the best. The ludicrous pricing and heat generation holds it back.

Got some projects hitting the DSP ceiling, will be interesting how this monster handles it. Currently using an i7 6700k.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/In ... 2565vs3334

Looks like it will be almost twice as fast as your current chip in multi-threaded scenarios - not too shabby! But your Passmark single thread rating isn't terrible (2353), whereas the 9900k is pulling around 2894 - roughly a 23% increase in performance. Reason is going to benefit from the single thread performance.

The max TDP is the exact same as your current chip, so I wouldn't worry about heat gen unless you get a crappy cooler.



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That i9 is stupid fast, almost twice the single core speed as me :O

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Post 02 Nov 2018

EnochLight wrote:
01 Nov 2018
candybag wrote:
01 Nov 2018
I'm getting the i9 9900k on sunday if everything goes well. It might very well be the fastest, but not the best. The ludicrous pricing and heat generation holds it back.

Got some projects hitting the DSP ceiling, will be interesting how this monster handles it. Currently using an i7 6700k.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/In ... 2565vs3334

Looks like it will be almost twice as fast as your current chip in multi-threaded scenarios - not too shabby! But your Passmark single thread rating isn't terrible (2353), whereas the 9900k is pulling around 2894 - roughly a 23% increase in performance. Reason is going to benefit from the single thread performance.

The max TDP is the exact same as your current chip, so I wouldn't worry about heat gen unless you get a crappy cooler.



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I have read various reports that the 9900k needs more than the stated 95 watts to fully utilize the turbo boost, well into 145 watts. To counter thermal issues it starts to throttle turbo boost after a minute or two unless you got a beefy cooling system.

Also, cheap mobo brands are usually specced to 95 watts cause of their under dimensioned VRM. Which in turn affect turbo boosting.

No benchmark is the same for 9900k, it boils down to mobo brand, cooling and UEFI settings. This CPU launch is messy to say the least.

Im not taking any chances, gonna buy the biggest air cooler and an enthusiast level mobo with plenty of VRM phases :)
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I have read various reports that the 9900k needs more than the stated 95 watts to fully utilize the turbo boost, well into 145 watts. To counter thermal issues it starts to throttle turbo boost after a minute or two unless you got a beefy cooling system.

Also, cheap mobo brands are usually specced to 95 watts cause of their under dimensioned VRM. Which in turn affect turbo boosting.

No benchmark is the same for 9900k, it boils down to mobo brand, cooling and UEFI settings. This CPU launch is messy to say the least.

Im not taking any chances, gonna buy the biggest air cooler and an enthusiast level mobo with plenty of VRM phases :)
be quiet!'s BK022 Dark Rock Pro 4 got ScanPro Audio up to a 5 Ghz overclock with some throttling. And if you're not even OC'ing, it'll run it at stock like an ice box. Something to consider:



Here's the ScanPro Audio review on the 9900K:

http://www.scanproaudio.info/2018/10/19 ... e-refresh/

He goes by Kaine over at KVR and is very nice chap with a lot of insight.

Here's my discussion with the author:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p7204422
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EnochLight wrote:
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be quiet!'s BK022 Dark Rock Pro 4 got ScanPro Audio up to a 5 Ghz overclock with some throttling. And if you're not even OC'ing, it'll run it at stock like an ice box. Something to consider:



Here's the ScanPro Audio review on the 9900K:

http://www.scanproaudio.info/2018/10/19 ... e-refresh/

He goes by Kaine over at KVR and is very nice chap with a lot of insight.

Here's my discussion with the author:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p7204422
Im actually choosing between Dark Rock and Noctuas NH-D15 :) thanks for the advice anyway!
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Im actually choosing between Dark Rock and Noctuas NH-D15 :) thanks for the advice anyway!
You can't go wrong with either. Full disclosure: I'm a huge Noctua "fan" :lol: so I can wholeheartedly recommend it as an alternative. I just can't find a decibel rating for the NH-D15. Any idea how quiet it runs?
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EnochLight wrote:
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candybag wrote:
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Im actually choosing between Dark Rock and Noctuas NH-D15 :) thanks for the advice anyway!
You can't go wrong with either. Full disclosure: I'm a huge Noctua "fan" :lol: so I can wholeheartedly recommend it as an alternative. I just can't find a decibel rating for the NH-D15. Any idea how quiet it runs?
Apparently just a bit louder than dark rock pro 4, but it also cools 1-2 degrees more iirc.
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Post 06 Nov 2018

13'' screen will be really painful for Reason,
What nonsense. just.... Ask JoeyLuck! That's just WRONG.
I have a '13 MB Air, a '17MBP and an '18MBP

The '13 13" macbook air I use BEATS the pro in many ways.
- Whisper quiet recording, if you're using it to record
- 6'2, with big hands and never worried about the size of the screen for use.
- I have two reason files open easily on screen - and 1 2 3 4 5 6... 7 other reason files open.
- Light
- Handles safari, reason, Maschine, Tractor, etc, easily

I imagine the '18 MB Airs are just as Awesome.

:roll: Weird advice... a 13" computer is too small? painful even? :roll:

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sonicbyte wrote:
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For instance the 13 inch comes in two CPU options:
- Quad-Core 8th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-8550U Processor with Hyper Threading 1.8 GHz / 4.0 GHz (Base/Turbo)
- Dual-Core 7th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-7500U Processor with Hyper Threading 2.7 GHz / 3.5 GHz (Base/Turbo)
13'' screen will be really painful for Reason, so I'd recommend 15'' Razer Blade with a i7-8750h CPU. Recently they've introduced a "base" model that is relatively cheap (for the brand). It smokes the two you mentioned out of the water (https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/In ... 3064vs2863)

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13'' screen will be really painful for Reason,
What nonsense. just.... Ask JoeyLuck! That's just WRONG.
I have a '13 MB Air, a '17MBP and an '18MBP

The '13 13" macbook air I use BEATS the pro in many ways.
- Whisper quiet recording, if you're using it to record
- 6'2, with big hands and never worried about the size of the screen for use.
- I have two reason files open easily on screen - and 1 2 3 4 5 6... 7 other reason files open.
- Light
- Handles safari, reason, Maschine, Tractor, etc, easily

I imagine the '18 MB Airs are just as Awesome.

:roll: Weird advice... a 13" computer is too small? painful even? :roll:
Yes, I stand by my opinion. I'm using Reason 10.2, Live 10 and Bitwig 2.4 on 12'' Surface Pro 4 interchangeably and I only struggle with Reason, because - due to low-res GUI and no native zoom - I need to either run it with 200% Windows scaling which is akin to piloting aircraft through a key-hole, or at 150% which is blurry to the point that I have to limit myself to the devices that I'm familiar with, because there's no way to read most of the labels and I have to take breaks frequently because my eyes try to compensate for the blur... So yes, I consider both options literally PAINFUL and thus my advice.

Also, we're talking new computers with high-DPI screens and AFAIK MB Air only last week got Retina screen and 17'' and 18'' MBPs were not available for a while now, so they probably have low-res screens too. Reason - unlike any other modern DAW - works better on old, low-res screens which might explain your more positive experiences.

So I still think that for (mobile) Reason the best choice is a 15'' laptop with 1080p screen or a 4K (that can be set to 200% scaling, which makes it 1080p), but definitely not smaller and not with some intermediate resolution, like 1440p.
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Post 06 Nov 2018

antic604 wrote:
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Yes, I stand by my opinion.
.... I have to limit myself to the devices that I'm familiar with, because there's no way to read most of the labels and
...I have to take breaks frequently because my eyes try to compensate for the blur...
...So yes, I consider both options literally PAINFUL and thus my advice.
Now, tell that part. You have issues with your eyes. We all don't.
I've never had your experiences on my 13" or iPad or iPhone or chinese food menus.
So I still think that for (mobile) Reason the best choice is a 15'' laptop
It's what works for you.... or, your eyes, rather.

But the best....? Is what you can make good music with... even BLIND.
BEST? Try....

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Now, tell that part. You have issues with your eyes. We all don't.
No, I actually have perfect eye sight - thanks for your "concern".
Maybe if I didn't I wouldn't see the blurring caused by uneven scaling...

I've beat the topic to death already, but open those 2 screenshots in separate browser tab, make them 1:1 resolution (click on them) and compare Reason's GUI against the Windows bar text at the top of the screenshots:

200% scaling - sharp, but very blocky and everything is too big (piloting a plane through a key-hole case):

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150% scaling - good size, but it's very blurry:

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O1B wrote:
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But the best....? Is what you can make good music with... even BLIND.
BEST? Try....
I can see from here you've tried really hard to not put yet another Eurorack pic / video? :lol:
Because you posting this also has nothing to do with the subject of this particular topic... :roll:
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Post 11 Nov 2018

EnochLight wrote:
02 Nov 2018
candybag wrote:
02 Nov 2018
Im actually choosing between Dark Rock and Noctuas NH-D15 :) thanks for the advice anyway!
You can't go wrong with either. Full disclosure: I'm a huge Noctua "fan" :lol: so I can wholeheartedly recommend it as an alternative. I just can't find a decibel rating for the NH-D15. Any idea how quiet it runs?
I have all Noctua fans in my 8700K build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/2WJ8TW

For those that don't know, you set the fan speeds in bios and thus variance in ambient noise. I haven't yet found a requirement to OC. Case fans are louder than the CPU cooler. I have 6 fans; CPU cooler and 5 case fans. My case is standing under my table where I work and I can hear it, but it doesn't put me off at all. It is quieter than a very quiet laptop on the table. I have the fan speed set to "silent" in bios.

Here are some loudness readings using Fabien Lefebvre's excellent SPLnFFT Noise Meter app on my ipad mini2. "Silent" fans setting (all fans at around 520-560RPM); machine idling:
1) listening/mixing position (approx 5 feet away with a table in between) is just under 30 dB(A) at around 28.8.
2) I have a couple of Zalman NC1500 laptop coolers on my table and the Zalman coolers at their lowest settings are louder than the tower computer (although, clearly different frequencies). The Zalman NC1500 is just under 35dB(A) on the lowest setting and just under 45dB on the highest setting. These NC1500 coolers are the most annoying in my set up to my ears.
3) within 1 foot away from computer facing the case window on carpeted floor is around 35 dB(A)
4) 6 inches from the back of the computer is 37 dB(A) where the fans can clearly be heard grinding away...on this "silent" setting the Noctua case fans have a grinding timbre.
5) I also have a Zalman NC3000 cooler and although is registers around 40.5dB(A) 3 inches away, that cooler is by far the least offensive noise source to my ears...it is just a less offensive (lower) frequency.

When set to "standard" in the ASRock bios the ambient noise isn't as high I had previously thought. The Standard setting doubles the CPU cooler fan speed which creates a kind of acceleration/deceleration pulse where the different speeds modulate; which I do find annoying.

Going thru the speed settings: Silent, Standard, Performance, Full Speed the steps up in dB(A) are like adding 2dB(A) per setting...I am sure load will vary that and I didn't test adding significant load.

ok, well, when my machine first powers on, I am guessing the fans run at full speed until BIOS commands take over. That power up fan burst is 55 dB(A). You wouldn't want that running all the time!

anyhow, I hope some info is better than none :-)

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Post 11 Nov 2018

For me the best CPU is anything that's slow enough for making projects portable to my Macbook Pro.

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Post 11 Nov 2018

I was thinking about getting an i7-8700k, but now considering this one instead -
https://ark.intel.com/products/186604/I ... -4-90-GHz-

8 cores, no HT, it beats the 8700k but has a slightly higher msrp.

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splangie wrote:
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I was thinking about getting an i7-8700k, but now considering this one instead -
https://ark.intel.com/products/186604/I ... -4-90-GHz-

8 cores, no HT, it beats the 8700k but has a slightly higher msrp.
Might be a good - and affordable - alternative. The 9700K's single thread performance is almost as good as the 9900K, and even the multi isn't bad:



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Post 14 Nov 2018

This is the first DAW CPU test i've seen for a while. It isnt Reason but does include VST performance and may be indicative. My gut feel is that single CPU core speed may be more important to Reason than multicore performance benchmarks but would be nice to see some testing.

https://techreport.com/review/34253/int ... reviewed/8

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stfual wrote:
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This is the first DAW CPU test i've seen for a while. It isnt Reason but does include VST performance and may be indicative. My gut feel is that single CPU core speed may be more important to Reason than multicore performance benchmarks but would be nice to see some testing.

https://techreport.com/review/34253/int ... reviewed/8
My only issue with their testing methodology is that they use “the Reaper DAW” :lol: as their test bed. But yeah, it’s long been known that single thread (core) speed is the most important factor in Reason, as well as most DAW.
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Post 18 Nov 2018

EnochLight wrote:
11 Nov 2018
splangie wrote:
11 Nov 2018
I was thinking about getting an i7-8700k, but now considering this one instead -
https://ark.intel.com/products/186604/I ... -4-90-GHz-

8 cores, no HT, it beats the 8700k but has a slightly higher msrp.
Might be a good - and affordable - alternative. The 9700K's single thread performance is almost as good as the 9900K, and even the multi isn't bad:
Dang. I started having problems with my pc right after I submitted a song for SAW-1 comp. I might be getting an i7-9700k sooner than I thought. I'll need to get a processor, mb, ram, ssd, cooler and maybe a case. That is going to be close to 1000 unless I can find a bare bones or good combo deal and save a hundred or so. The bare bones deals normally have a low end mb. I need to go ahead and make sure it has at least one USB C and a Thunderbolt header. I can't seem to find any kind of combo deal or an mb below 200 with all the good stuff and none of those useless legacy ports. I haven't built a high end workstation for myself in about 7 years and I still might have to pay for PS2 and VGA ports, again. Life is rough.

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