Reason Mixer EQ Volume Matching

[gaclab]

Hey guys,

I really enjoy the sound and simplicity of using the Dynamics and EQ sections of the Reason Mixer, but I have a question about EQ. It doesn't appear that when making EQ changes that the volume is matched and I find myself constantly moving my fader to compensate for the increase or decrease in gain. It makes comparing the track before and after EQ somewhat difficult.

Am I missing something? Is there an easy workaround?

From the documentation, it appears that compressor does automatically volume match but I see nothing about EQ.

Thanks for the help.

- Grant

[Loque]

Would be nice if auto compensation would work, but never had a device with such a feature that produces accurate results.

EQ changes the volume by changing gain on frequencies which results in a change of the overall gain. This is hard to compensate automatically. Compressors changes are better predictable, because they just change the gain (if they do not apply some additional magic), but to my ears a change in dynamic results often in a change of loudness which I need to compensate too. Sry, i am no pro here, just my experience...

So, for accurate A/B comparisons, you need to follow your ears and use accurate measures with a dedicated A/B setup. There is a free RE available to help you here.

[selig]

+1 to logue’s comments. Looked into adding that feature to my ColoringEQ but quickly realized it would give a false sense of security.

Doesn’t really work that well for compressors either since you can’t predict input gain. Plus, compression can affect perceived loudness which makes the job more difficult.

This is one of my motivations for creating selig gain, so I could measure and compensate for level changes when adding processing.


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[gaclab]

Thanks guys! I'll check out the Selig gain and the A/B Audio & CV Switch. https://shop.propellerheads.se/rack-ext ... cv-switch/

[jimmyklane]

Hey guys,

I really enjoy the sound and simplicity of using the Dynamics and EQ sections of the Reason Mixer, but I have a question about EQ. It doesn't appear that when making EQ changes that the volume is matched and I find myself constantly moving my fader to compensate for the increase or decrease in gain. It makes comparing the track before and after EQ somewhat difficult.

Am I missing something? Is there an easy workaround?

From the documentation, it appears that compressor does automatically volume match but I see nothing about EQ.

Thanks for the help.

- Grant

EQ by its very nature raises the level of the source at the frequency you’ve chosen. In addition, the SSL mixer EQ is extremely broad in “G mode” even at the tightest Q(constant Q)....the “E mode” is a little tighter but is still pretty wide until you get to high dB boosts/cuts (proportional Q)

[selig]

Hey guys,

I really enjoy the sound and simplicity of using the Dynamics and EQ sections of the Reason Mixer, but I have a question about EQ. It doesn't appear that when making EQ changes that the volume is matched and I find myself constantly moving my fader to compensate for the increase or decrease in gain. It makes comparing the track before and after EQ somewhat difficult.

Am I missing something? Is there an easy workaround?

From the documentation, it appears that compressor does automatically volume match but I see nothing about EQ.

Thanks for the help.

- Grant

EQ by its very nature raises the level of the source at the frequency you’ve chosen. In addition, the SSL mixer EQ is extremely broad in “G mode” even at the tightest Q(constant Q)....the “E mode” is a little tighter but is still pretty wide until you get to high dB boosts/cuts (proportional Q)

At high boost Q is identical between E&G curves. So, E is most narrow at small boost/cut.


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[jimmyklane]

+1 to logue’s comments. Looked into adding that feature to my ColoringEQ but quickly realized it would give a false sense of security.

Doesn’t really work that well for compressors either since you can’t predict input gain. Plus, compression can affect perceived loudness which makes the job more difficult.

This is one of my motivations for creating selig gain, so I could measure and compensate for level changes when adding processing.


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I disagree with your point on compressors, as the API 525 and 527 original 500 series compressors handle auto compensation particularly well.....

[jimmyklane]

EQ by its very nature raises the level of the source at the frequency you’ve chosen. In addition, the SSL mixer EQ is extremely broad in “G mode” even at the tightest Q(constant Q)....the “E mode” is a little tighter but is still pretty wide until you get to high dB boosts/cuts (proportional Q)

At high boost Q is identical between E&G curves. So, E is most narrow at small boost/cut.


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You are of course correct, excuse me. The original point stands however, EQ tends to raise the level and the ssl tends to be a “broad brush” type of EQ.