Yep..
I have FM4 and Dexed too!
Gotta love Reason for that reason....
You can't load wavetables into those synths though. That's why Serum and eXpanse are so good because you can FM with wavetables.
I felt the same about Europa (and most other synths I have!). I have more or less the same punch that you have, but I don't use them all. To be honest I only need 2 or three of them, but 'synth greed' has filled my heartSouthgate wrote: ↑09 May 2018I have Serum, Synthmaster One, ReSpire, Dune 2, Iris 2, Parsec 2, U-he synths, FM4 and a whole host of REs and Vsti. I am wondering...in a dizzy state...have we reached a synth Nirvana? Do I simply just concentrate on Europa and forget the rest? I'm p****d off learning synth after synth. I'd rather just master one synth...( I realize that each synth has it's own 'THANG' going on...
I really wanna just make good music...but spend my life looking for synths and functionality and, and, and...
...does that nonsense stop here? I hope so...
Sorry...but everything is soooo saturated...
Europa really is amazing. I might just have to draw the line and say..."let's master this one, if nothing else".
They are all fun to make music though. What makes some more fun than others is the amount of useful features that they have.Ahornberg wrote: ↑10 May 2018Would be interesting not to compare synths by features but by how fun it is to make music.
Maybe join the one-synth-EP-challenge viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7497676&hilit=one+synth+challenge
I have all of the same synths, and to be frank - each one brings something unique to the table while at the same time having some crossover features. The beauty behind software is that - being a digital hoarder is nowhere near as bad as buying hardware!
It’s a poor mans FM with very few operators and not much flexibility. FM synthesis is pretty limitless you can create very complex waveforms with it.
I can not believe how much trash and assumption you put down on a user.
This post was out of line and unnecessary. The op needs an apology for this.pjeudy wrote: ↑09 May 20181. How did you get all those software? did you pay for them?
2. You say "I really wanna just make good music" Buying/pirating every synth that comes along has ZERO impact on your music being good.
3.having to spend $427 plus dollars on 2 or 3 synth alone would force you to learn 1 or 2 synths.The economics of it should force you to only learn a couple of synths. That's the side benefit from buying your software.
4. Your approach to owning Synth is all wrong !! I haven't reached a synth Nirvana...since I only have 3 Vst synths. You seem to be wanting the Synth to make the music for you...that will NEVER EVER happen.
5. Finally you want to make Music that you like? then it's easy just fallow those few steps to the letter:
a) Stay off the internet and VSTi purchasing sites or VST Cracked website
b) Listen to music that Inspire you
c) Lock yourself and your home studio and make music with the synth that you have
d) it might take you weeks/months or longer, but the limited synths that you have + the fact that you are spending time having fun experimenting trying succeeding and can't forget failing... will automatically lead you to better knowing your 1 -2 synth and a better understanding of producing engineering, ear training.
Those are about a billion times more important then the number of synth that you might be willing to pay for or pirate. You don't believe me ? look at the situation that you are in? you listed 8 plus instrument synth that you have access to right now, that push past or near one thousand dollars.....and yet your asking "should I master just one synth"?
Limit yourself for a month or 2 to just one Mono and one Polyphonic synth...and just blackout in the studio...forget Reason talk forget Gearslutz, KVR ect.... forget all that...and blackout in your studio...$1,000 in synth can't help you. Music fundamentals will, developing a workflow that allows you to create while BEING INSPIRED WILL HELP YOU ..not owning EUROPA or SERUM or what ever you might be lusting for.
Spend hours dissecting your favorite track...ask yourself questions :
How did they mix that bass so well....how do you like the dynamic effect.....why doesn't it sound muddy? try cutting your own music at "known Muddy frequency's" and see if you notice a similarity to a well produced track etc....those things are priceless and worth more then any synth you bought or pirated.
Hmm.
4seqoi wrote: ↑10 May 2018
I can not believe how much trash and assumption you put down on a user.
1. Why do you think anyone owe you to explain how they earn the money or get their software? What a rude way of responding to conversation. What? Am i to be blamed because i collected hardware and software synths over 15 years? Or you expect everyone is 15 year old and use mother credit card? Or downloading warez?
2. I mean what the hell??? So someone is having more software then you for whatever reason they have - and they get biblical touting from you on not using pirated software because all of a sudden - having a lot of tools automatically mean someone is using pirated tools?
Good lord what is happening here...
JerrelTheKing wrote: ↑10 May 2018This post was out of line and unnecessary. The op needs an apology for this.
FROM OPesselfortium wrote: ↑09 May 2018Europa is great and versatile. Lots of synths are great and versatile. Pick a synth that feels approachable to you and really dig into it, whether it's this one or something else.
pjeudy's advice is good, also.
Southgate wrote: ↑10 May 2018I see where you are coming from...
20 years ago, I have to be honest (When I was broke as hell) I may have had a few cracked pieces of software. Being older and little more financially stable...I am proud to say that I have 100% legit software!
Your other points are very valid...and I do try to dissect every square inch of every bit that I listen to and create.
Cheers
The old PUF mindset is what is happening here. Contact sport. Sad.seqoi wrote: ↑10 May 2018I can not believe how much trash and assumption you put down on a user.
1. Why do you think anyone owe you to explain how they earn the money or get their software? What a rude way of responding to conversation. What? Am i to be blamed because i collected hardware and software synths over 15 years? Or you expect everyone is 15 year old and use mother credit card? Or downloading warez?
2. I mean what the hell??? So someone is having more software then you for whatever reason they have - and they get biblical touting from you on not using pirated software because all of a sudden - having a lot of tools automatically mean someone is using pirated tools?
Good lord what is happening here...
Interestingly I do the exact opposite; complex modulator and sine wave carrier. Just can't use anything too noisy and I feel this yields nice rich FM bass sounds.chimp_spanner wrote: ↑10 May 2018I would've liked a bit more control over FM in Europa. Although in practice I would probably have ended up using simple waveforms as modulators. I've tried FM'ing between wavetables in Serum and the results are often very brittle and grainy. Usually I use a complex WT as the carrier, and something simple like a sine or square (with a little bit of sync modulation) as the modulator. I'd like to be able to that in Europa but I'm still getting some fantastic sounds out of it. The sample playback is really nice and smooth too!
There is two comb filters (+/-) in the spectral filter section of Europa.
First, WTF triggered the #1-4?pjeudy wrote: ↑09 May 20181. How did you get all those software? did you pay for them?
2. You say "I really wanna just make good music" Buying/pirating every synth that comes along has ZERO impact on your music being good.
3.having to spend $427 plus dollars on 2 or 3 synth alone would force you to learn 1 or 2 synths.The economics of it should force you to only learn a couple of synths. That's the side benefit from buying your software.
4. Your approach to owning Synth is all wrong !! I haven't reached a synth Nirvana...since I only have 3 Vst synths. You seem to be wanting the Synth to make the music for you...that will NEVER EVER happen.
5. Finally you want to make Music that you like? then it's easy just fallow those few steps to the letter:
a) Stay off the internet and VSTi purchasing sites or VST Cracked website
b) Listen to music that Inspire you
c) Lock yourself and your home studio and make music with the synth that you have
d) it might take you weeks/months or longer, but the limited synths that you have + the fact that you are spending time having fun experimenting trying succeeding and can't forget failing... will automatically lead you to better knowing your 1 -2 synth and a better understanding of producing engineering, ear training.
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