I use refill packer since it doesn't read zips by default.
Does it make sense for that to be a thing? I notice most daws can't read a zip.
Refills vs Zip?
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The refill "format" uses a proprietary lossless compression algorithm that allows wav/aiff/samples/etc to be compressed to roughly half their size at ~50%, and of course - they can be opened, navigated, and searched via Reason.
With ZIP, you have to use your OS's browser for all of that, and the compression averages 15%-20% for wav.
So... while no DAW's except Reason can read Refills, if space/size and convenience of searching is your goal, then Refill seems to be the best choice. If you need to share with other DAW or users that use other DAW, then your only choice is ZIP, RAR, etc...
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Refill is ok as all in one format but I still stand by my thinking for audio lossless compression then wave pack is still what props should be injecting into reasonEnochLight wrote: ↑20 Jan 2018The refill "format" uses a proprietary lossless compression algorithm that allows wav/aiff/samples/etc to be compressed to roughly half their size at ~50%, and of course - they can be opened, navigated, and searched via Reason.
With ZIP, you have to use your OS's browser for all of that, and the compression averages 15%-20% for wav.
So... while no DAW's except Reason can read Refills, if space/size and convenience of searching is your goal, then Refill seems to be the best choice. If you need to share with other DAW or users that use other DAW, then your only choice is ZIP, RAR, etc...
http://www.wavpack.com/
I'm Shure you know all about it after all these years and it's improvements etc but if not up to date a read at link I provided I'm Shure you'll agree it would be welcomed by many as an audio compression method for reason especially as what it uses on a save file for audio heavy project .
Because as is it's rediculas insane huge file sizes as is. .
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^^ ^^
THIS. I haven't used the Refill packer in over a decade, and even back then it was just to share some stuff with someone for convenience. Unless I'm selling patch libraries for Reason, I really see no reason to use it. And I only ZIP stuff (well, actually I RAR it because WinRAR is awesome) if I need to share something with someone and save bandwidth. But the OP never explained why he is choosing between refills and ZIP, so... there's that!
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I never understood why DAWs can't read zip files. Would be great if you could read zip files without the need to unzip and zip them over and over and over and over again.
Should be easy to implement also.
Should be easy to implement also.
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..because technically, WinZIP is not free software. Any DAW manufacturer would have to pay to license the tech in order to allow their DAW to read it.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑20 Jan 2018I never understood why DAWs can't read zip files. Would be great if you could read zip files without the need to unzip and zip them over and over and over and over again.
Should be easy to implement also.
http://kb.winzip.com/kb/entry/47/
That might be part of the reason...
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In OSX zip is a native proces.EnochLight wrote: ↑21 Jan 2018..because technically, WinZIP is not free software. Any DAW manufacturer would have to pay to license the tech in order to allow their DAW to read it.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑20 Jan 2018I never understood why DAWs can't read zip files. Would be great if you could read zip files without the need to unzip and zip them over and over and over and over again.
Should be easy to implement also.
http://kb.winzip.com/kb/entry/47/
That might be part of the reason...
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As it is in Windows, but that’s likely because both Apple and Microsoft pay to license it.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑21 Jan 2018In OSX zip is a native proces.EnochLight wrote: ↑21 Jan 2018
..because technically, WinZIP is not free software. Any DAW manufacturer would have to pay to license the tech in order to allow their DAW to read it.
http://kb.winzip.com/kb/entry/47/
That might be part of the reason...
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Yes, but that means any DAW developer can run these native processes. No extra licenses needed, it's OS dependant.EnochLight wrote: ↑21 Jan 2018As it is in Windows, but that’s likely because both Apple and Microsoft pay to license it.
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Both Windows and OSX read mp3 “native” back in the day, but you still have to license it. That’s why Reason can’t *EXPORT* mp3; only read it. The licensing for WinZIP may be more restrictive. Clearly there’s a reason, or I’m sure Props would have embraced it by now. Or maybe it’s so low on he totem pole of requests, they just haven’t given it a thought? Beats me.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑21 Jan 2018Yes, but that means any DAW developer can run these native processes. No extra licenses needed, it's OS dependant.EnochLight wrote: ↑21 Jan 2018
As it is in Windows, but that’s likely because both Apple and Microsoft pay to license it.
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On OSX you can only natively encode aac, mpeg, aif, not mp3. Only with iTunes and 3rd party software you can encode mp3.EnochLight wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018Both Windows and OSX read mp3 “native” back in the day, but you still have to license it. That’s why Reason can’t *EXPORT* mp3; only read it. The licensing for WinZIP may be more restrictive. Clearly there’s a reason, or I’m sure Props would have embraced it by now. Or maybe it’s so low on he totem pole of requests, they just haven’t given it a thought? Beats me.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑21 Jan 2018
Yes, but that means any DAW developer can run these native processes. No extra licenses needed, it's OS dependant.
With native I mean: build in os, you can run it via terminal. Then any coder/program can use it.
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