Re: Reason 10 announced!
Posted: 24 Sep 2017
It was an error on Ernst's part. See the interview with KvR:stratatonic wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017I think the "s" stands for software.wendylou wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017It's propellerheads plural on their website, as in www.propellerheads.se
Couldn't he have just got another address without the "s"?xylyx wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017It was an error on Ernst's part. See the interview with KvR:
http://www.kvraudio.com/interviews/in-s ... -b-s-25935
They did and it forwards to the one with the 's'stratatonic wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Couldn't he have just got another address without the "s"?xylyx wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017
It was an error on Ernst's part. See the interview with KvR:
http://www.kvraudio.com/interviews/in-s ... -b-s-25935
It been a massacre at the Propellerhead Facebook page also... sure some positive post ...but man I read a couple of minutes of it and the sense is that most people are no longer put in a trance by pretty devices...they want Props to grow the DAW Portion of REASON EXPONENTIALLY.
But the logo on the website is Propellerheadwendylou wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017It's propellerheads plural on their website, as in www.propellerheads.se
Maybe I'm wrong, the massacre at KRV and Facebook is more representative of the general feeling of the biggest update ever, here we tend to have more fanboys that will simply applaud at everything PH does.pjeudy wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017It been a massacre at the Propellerhead Facebook page also... sure some positive post ...but man I read a couple of minutes of it and the sense is that most people are no longer put in a trance by pretty devices...they want Props to grow the DAW Portion of REASON EXPONENTIALLY.
Counterpoint: 2 brand new first-class Rack Extension synths plus 3 GB of new modern sample content could easily be quantified as the biggest content update they've ever released. But they're also including 3 additional specialized instruments on top of that, as well as 2 additional RE's. Not really a joke for $129 USD, if you price out all of that content. But, obviously people have a lot of different feels over this. No shame in that!
Counterpoint: This influencing isn't working on the majority, in case you haven't noticed.EnochLight wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017
Counterpoint: 2 brand new first-class Rack Extension synths plus 3 GB of new modern sample content could easily be quantified as the biggest content update they've ever released. But they're also including 3 additional specialized instruments on top of that, as well as 2 additional RE's. Not really a joke for $129 USD, if you price out all of that content. But, obviously people have a lot of different feels over this. No shame in that!
Yeah that's 2 devices out of 12 I can name that you would've thought would've been stock devices in a professional daw in 2017.manuel radioact77 wrote: ↑24 Sep 20173- The SSL it's nice, but i would like: an integrated (not RE, not VST) free good flexible EQ that allows micro EQ adjustments. And an integrated (not RE, not VST) good multiband compressor.
No that's just the web address, their name is Propellerhead Software. Propellerhead.se and Propellerheads.se both take you to their site.wendylou wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017It's propellerheads plural on their website, as in www.propellerheads.se
In the poll here at ReasonTalk a majority seems happy enough to upgrade, only 22 per cent says no. So as usual it is the people with negative feelings against something that feels the need to express themselves in a very negative, and often very angry, way.davidvilla wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Counterpoint: This influencing isn't working on the majority, in case you haven't noticed.EnochLight wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017
Counterpoint: 2 brand new first-class Rack Extension synths plus 3 GB of new modern sample content could easily be quantified as the biggest content update they've ever released. But they're also including 3 additional specialized instruments on top of that, as well as 2 additional RE's. Not really a joke for $129 USD, if you price out all of that content. But, obviously people have a lot of different feels over this. No shame in that!
We welcome all opinions here. But let's all please try to share those opinions without antagonizing others.flexluthor wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Lol so many crying nerds that barely make music. This is a good update. If you don’t like it don’t buy it.
davidvilla wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Counterpoint: This influencing isn't working on the majority, in case you haven't noticed.
Lol, and I thought I was going easy on you! At least it wasn't as bad as the stuff you get on KVR.EnochLight wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017davidvilla wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Counterpoint: This influencing isn't working on the majority, in case you haven't noticed.
LOL! While I totally agree that the sequencer is sorely in need of more features, Reason's workflow is one of the main things that keeps people using it (as in the rack paradigm + seq + mixer). Just say'n...
Naaaah - those guys are my besties.davidvilla wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Lol, and I thought I was going easy on you! At least it wasn't as bad as the stuff you get on KVR.
That's because the person in reference isn't on here .davidvilla wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Lol, and I thought I was going easy on you! At least it wasn't as bad as the stuff you get on KVR.
I haven't done any scientific testing on this, but I do wonder how much of the "overwhelming response" has been a few guys with Cheetos-stained fingers and a weird bug up their ass about all things related to Propellerhead carpet-bombing every forum they can find. I mean there's a guy on Facebook at the moment patiently posting 50-paragraph explanations of all the features that Reason lacks - track freeze, scalable UI etc - because he seems to think that people can only like Reason because they're unaware of what these features are, and if he gets everybody clued up then there'll be some sort of revolution that will bring Props to their knees. It's just fucking weird, and not a little sad. I'm not obsessively pro-Reason - there are plenty of limitations that I find frustrating, and yes I think v10 looks less than super exciting - but I've got better things to do than spend hours wetting the bed about it on the internetdavidvilla wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017Lol, where hasn't it been a massacre??? The overwhelming response has been NEGATIVE. Not even the pro-Reason fanatics can sugar coat it.
The people have spoken.
Though I definitely agree that the project file should be split up into something more manageable and resilient, and I think there's a lot of room for more workflow-speed enhancements in general, a few of these problems are solvable now:ireground wrote: ↑24 Sep 2017The worst thing in Reason, by far, is the workflow, especially the sequencer. It's always been unusable, but it feels way more painful in 2017. Here's just a short list of features that I can't believe still haven't been implemented (not only sequencer related):
Selecting and adjusting more than one volume knob at a time
Ability to zoom a track vertically more than we can do now
Markers
Video support (even if very basic)
Cursor coming back to the position where it started when playback is stopped
Keyboard shortcut for splitting a clip instead of having to switch between two tools every time
Changing position of a track in the sequencer should be reflected in the mixer
Track folders
And the worst: Huge project file.
The project file shouldn't be self contained. We should have a smaller project file that references the audio clips, just like about any other DAW or video editing app out there does. A lot of people use cloud backup services nowadays. That means that if I'm on the later stages of a big project, I've saved my project, then I change the volume of a track by half a dB let's say, and save again, I'll have to re upload the whole file, which sometimes can be over 1 GB. I get that the Props want to keep the whole process as simple as possible, but do they really think we're smart enough to handle a program like Reason but too dumb to manage a folder with the project files? It might not seem to be a big deal for most people, but for me, it's a deal breaker. And it's one of the reasons why I only do small projects now, usually without any audio.
The devs should definitely focus on the workflow and the organization (in a all three main windows) aspects in the next upgrade, even if it means skipping the content. I'll probably buy the upgrade to 10 anyway, but for one single purpose, to make mostly 10-15 second jingles. For that, it's amazing. You get some loops, the player devices, etc. Create only a few tracks and you have only a few devices in the rack. Easy to manage, great for doing quick stuff. Basically, I see Reason as a big bundle of plugins with a very basic way of putting the sound they produce together. I can't imagine doing a full blown project in this mess of a sequencer.