Nailed it.Reason used to feel retro, now it feels dated.
Reason 10 announced!
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You think 9.5 is just 6 with a bit of lipstick?
Seriously, I can't even.
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I think there have been improvements, since 6, but not a lot of innovation that is unique to Reason. Some of it was really just catching up to other DAWS. The players for example seem to be based on the midi effects from Cubase and Sonar. An example of innovation was the combinator, but because they are not stackable, they are less useful than comparable devices in Ableton Live and Bitwig.EnochLight wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017You think 9.5 is just 6 with a bit of lipstick?
Seriously, I can't even.
You can only innovate but so much. After while everything is simply a spin off of an existing idea. Heck, that's what most "innovations" are anyway. However even many of the DAW catch-up features added are different and sometimes better than what's available in other DAWs. Reason remains unique in that regard.ravasb wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017I think there have been improvements, since 6, but not a lot of innovation that is unique to Reason. Some of it was really just catching up to other DAWS. The players for example seem to be based on the midi effects from Cubase and Sonar. An example of innovation was the combinator, but because they are not stackable, they are less useful than comparable devices in Ableton Live and Bitwig.EnochLight wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017
You think 9.5 is just 6 with a bit of lipstick?
Seriously, I can't even.
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That in itself doesn't really equate to what goodbye was stating, though (in regards to this, innovation is superfluous). We're talking about flat out features here - and there are a TON in 9.5 compared to 6.0. To say it's just "lipstick" is not only being disingenuous, it's trolling.
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I'm not the one who used the lipstick analogy. I am not trolling, if you read my full post.EnochLight wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017That in itself doesn't really equate to what goodbye was stating, though (in regards to this, innovation is superfluous). We're talking about flat out features here - and there are a TON in 9.5 compared to 6.0. To say it's just "lipstick" is not only being disingenuous, it's trolling.
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That wasn't directed towards you; sorry it came off that way!
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If you're on Win 8 and above, you can use Windows Key with the Plus key to open the magnifier. Make sure magnifier view is set to full desktop. Windows Key with Plus Key will zoom further, Windows Key with Minus Key will zoom out, and Window Key with Escape will close the magnifier.steff3 wrote: ↑07 Oct 2017Would be much more convenient if one could scale reason only - no need to scale the whole desktop experience ....EnochLight wrote: ↑07 Oct 2017]
This is easily addressed - right now - using your OS zoom function, or increasing the app display size. On Windows, right-click your desktop and select "Display Settings". Then scroll down to "Scale and layout" and select the drop-down list under "Change the size of text, apps, and other items" and select 125% or larger. I find that Reason looks great at 125% on my 27" 1080p panels, though YMMV. On OSX, I can't remember the process but it's there. Or you can use OSX's built-in zoom, which is fantastic.
but better than nothing I guess....
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This is not a real solution... Not unless you only use Reason on your windows machineEnochLight wrote: ↑07 Oct 2017This is easily addressed - right now - using your OS zoom function, or increasing the app display size. On Windows, right-click your desktop and select "Display Settings". Then scroll down to "Scale and layout" and select the drop-down list under "Change the size of text, apps, and other items" and select 125% or larger. I find that Reason looks great at 125% on my 27" 1080p panels, though YMMV. On OSX, I can't remember the process but it's there. Or you can use OSX's built-in zoom, which is fantastic.Lorebrand wrote: ↑07 Oct 2017The only problem is, my eyes aren't as good as they once were when I used Reason 3 - 7, and on my 21" 1080P monitors, it's nearly impossible to read the instruments in the rack. I was hoping for an FL Studio style Vector remake of the interface as much as everyone else. Maybe 10.5? *crosses fingers*
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Hate to say it but the only way I’d pay to upgrade to v10 is if it comes up on amazon for £50 again. Guess there’s no one forcing me to upgrade but do find v10 quite underwhelming. Looking at it like a few rack extensions at a discounted price is the only way I could justify the upgrade.
That said I’m sure they’ll add a lot more value to it in the “point” updates, as the Props tend to usually
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As stated above. You can zoom in on Macs too. May not be perfect but it is a solution for both platforms.MirEko wrote: ↑10 Oct 2017This is not a real solution... Not unless you only use Reason on your windows machineEnochLight wrote: ↑07 Oct 2017
This is easily addressed - right now - using your OS zoom function, or increasing the app display size. On Windows, right-click your desktop and select "Display Settings". Then scroll down to "Scale and layout" and select the drop-down list under "Change the size of text, apps, and other items" and select 125% or larger. I find that Reason looks great at 125% on my 27" 1080p panels, though YMMV. On OSX, I can't remember the process but it's there. Or you can use OSX's built-in zoom, which is fantastic.
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I'm i the position where there is real value in upgrading to R10 from R8 but most here are on R9 and i'd agree there is a steep price to upgrade again in just 5 months.
I watched the facebook feed of the Players in R9 last night along with some of the new added soundbanks that came and maybe i'm being nieve here but i was blown away by the potential of the Players and the vast musical landscapes that they open up especially by using all 3 together in combinators and the automation potential.
For those not comming from a musical theory backround these things give you instant Steve Reich/Philip Glass and those guys would have to work/write for hours/days weeks to achieve the kind of musical complexity that the palyers (especially the dual apegiator) can achieve in minutes.
Whatever about workflow Reason musically has morphed into a beast of creativity unlike any Daw out there. You simply cannot write the range musical genres anywhere else especially if you are coupling that with the sheer experimental potential. I honestly dont believe that there is any new or groundbreaking music (electronic or otherwise) i will listen to in in the next few months/years where i can say "I can easily acieve that in Reason 10 ..even with the stock devices'
I watched the facebook feed of the Players in R9 last night along with some of the new added soundbanks that came and maybe i'm being nieve here but i was blown away by the potential of the Players and the vast musical landscapes that they open up especially by using all 3 together in combinators and the automation potential.
For those not comming from a musical theory backround these things give you instant Steve Reich/Philip Glass and those guys would have to work/write for hours/days weeks to achieve the kind of musical complexity that the palyers (especially the dual apegiator) can achieve in minutes.
Whatever about workflow Reason musically has morphed into a beast of creativity unlike any Daw out there. You simply cannot write the range musical genres anywhere else especially if you are coupling that with the sheer experimental potential. I honestly dont believe that there is any new or groundbreaking music (electronic or otherwise) i will listen to in in the next few months/years where i can say "I can easily acieve that in Reason 10 ..even with the stock devices'
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Nice score! Where did you land it for $94??!
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You're not being naive at all - you're spot on. The thing is, Players are essentially MIDI-FX (but Reason's built-in versions). MIDI-FX have long been available in other DAW, and while one could argue that they're not innovative, they are certainly powerful, and being stock devices in Reason make them even more powerful for Reasoners. Coming from 8 to 10 is going to be amazing. Coming from any version prior to 8 to 10 is simply a no-brainer! Coming from 9.5 to 10 is certainly more problematic, though still a lot is on offer IMHO.Reasonable man wrote: ↑10 Oct 2017I watched the facebook feed of the Players in R9 last night along with some of the new added soundbanks that came and maybe i'm being nieve here but i was blown away by the potential of the Players and the vast musical landscapes that they open up especially by using all 3 together in combinators and the automation potential.
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Maybe it's me, but Reason 10 at $129 bucks is an awesome deal. Sure I was hoping for changes to the core of Reason, things that can't be add with Rack Extensions and/or refill packs, namely Track Freezing.
But for what it is, new sounds, it delivers in spades.
If you bought or considered buying eXpanse for $99+, or Serum for $150+, then Reason + Europa is already under priced for you.
And if you've been intimidated by bouncing and manipulating audio in the past, that gate is being blown away by Grain.
That plus the added samples, and the 3 new sample based devices.
Yes, the core hasn't changed. The one thing that only propellerheads can do - update the core - they've chosen not to do. That sucks. But for $129, what we are getting - to me - is worth every penny.
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But for what it is, new sounds, it delivers in spades.
If you bought or considered buying eXpanse for $99+, or Serum for $150+, then Reason + Europa is already under priced for you.
And if you've been intimidated by bouncing and manipulating audio in the past, that gate is being blown away by Grain.
That plus the added samples, and the 3 new sample based devices.
Yes, the core hasn't changed. The one thing that only propellerheads can do - update the core - they've chosen not to do. That sucks. But for $129, what we are getting - to me - is worth every penny.
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Judging from the buzz, looks like the majority agree with you:
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Is it right, that in Reason 10 Essential nothing, really nothing is new?
Yep. Pretty much the same as the full version.Eisenspalter wrote: ↑11 Oct 2017Is it right, that in Reason 10 Essential nothing, really nothing is new?
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Except that in the full version, you get a brand new synth, a brand new sampler, 3 new rompler instruments, and 3+ gigs of sound content. So, there's that.Goodbye wrote: ↑11 Oct 2017Yep. Pretty much the same as the full version.Eisenspalter wrote: ↑11 Oct 2017Is it right, that in Reason 10 Essential nothing, really nothing is new?
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