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If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 25 Jul 2017
by groggy1
Hi, Reason has been my primary DAW for many years, but I always used Sonar to host VSTs.
As of the last couple months, I've completely uninstalled Sonar since Reason has full VST support now, and it's AWESOME.
But I wanted to hear if others have little things they miss about their old hosts... Here are some of the little things I miss:
1) Seemed like the perf for VSTs was a bit better (I was able to run more instances of VSTs before I got crackling)
2) Linked-clips - I *loved* how in Sonar I could make copies in clips that were "linked" (edit the original link, and all clips get the changes). I know I can sort-of use Blocks for this, but I found it easier in Sonar.
That's about all I miss. I'm sure #1 will be fixed over time in Reason, with Hyperthreading already showing some improvements...
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 25 Jul 2017
by Oquasec
Wait for midi [FL Studio]
If in the mood for rewire I hook Reason up to either ableton or Cubase however.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 25 Jul 2017
by Hauser+Quaid
I've used most of the majors in recent years (still use several depending on project) PT, Cubase, Logic & Live. The only thing I miss is CPU efficiency, esp like PT and Logic. I can really pile on the plugins without rendering. With Reason I find myself bouncing to disk a lot more.
Literally everything else I prefer in Reason.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 26 Jul 2017
by aeox
Fl studios piano roll.
That's all.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 26 Jul 2017
by Ahornberg
no
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 27 Jul 2017
by Oquasec
I like hardware designed daws the most but the niggles I have for Reason are cosmetic.
Piano roll would be easier to see notes faster if you could color each note.
Studio one and Cubase's theme editor is another.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 29 Jul 2017
by mcatalao
I didn't switch now but i used Cubase half a life ago, and ditched it when Record came along.
Thing is and i'm still annoyed about it, as a self recording artist i miss freaking automatic punch in/out.
And that's it. Something i believe it's possible to do with some lines of code and 2 buttons.
I like the comp editor, but its a complete mess to work with it. Locators would be great too, but i end up using Blocks not only for composing but for navigation, making use of the keyboard and the P key (p automatically creates a loop on a selected region, placing the locators on the full song. You can use shift for multiple selections too.).
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 31 Jul 2017
by avasopht
I never feel like I have missed anything.
In 2007 I decided to go full hardware with an MPC3000 and a Korg Triton LE. It was a fantastic experience, but after a year I found myself going back to Reason.
When I went back to Reason I didn't feel like I had missed anything.
There were things I liked for sure, but when I'm working with something I tend to just flow (like water my friend
)
In 2013 I moved over to Logic, but after a year I played one of the last Reason tracks I made and decided to go back to Reason. On both switches I just got with it.
Sorry if it's a boring account, but that's what I think about the differences between environments. There are lots of key differences, and yet at the same time they are all extraordinarly greater experiences than when I first started making music with Cubase VST 5, soundfonts and some outboard gear, but I imagine that if I had to go back to that I'd be fine there too
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 31 Jul 2017
by groggy1
avasopht wrote: ↑31 Jul 2017
I never feel like I have missed anything.
In 2007 I decided to go full hardware with an MPC3000 and a Korg Triton LE. It was a fantastic experience, but after a year I found myself going back to Reason.
When I went back to Reason I didn't feel like I had missed anything.
There were things I liked for sure, but when I'm working with something I tend to just flow (like water my friend
)
In 2013 I moved over to Logic, but after a year I played one of the last Reason tracks I made and decided to go back to Reason. On both switches I just got with it.
Sorry if it's a boring account, but that's what I think about the differences between environments. There are lots of key differences, and yet at the same time they are all extraordinarly greater experiences than when I first started making music with Cubase VST 5, soundfonts and some outboard gear, but I imagine that if I had to go back to that I'd be fine there too
I think what you found is similar to the experience a bunch of us have had: Reason is the best workflow for some folks, so we keep coming back to it - you should always use the DAW where you make MUSIC (not just play around with a bunch of knobs). I also left Reason for a few years to use Sonar, and I ended-up coming back since I felt like I was spending my time doing technical stuff as apposed to actually making music.
Like I said at the top of this thread, there are a couple of small things I miss from Sonar. But they're relatively small compared to the great workflow I gain by using Reason.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 31 Jul 2017
by Iapetus 9
I don't miss anything, because I still have it on the computer for those great old 32 bit plugins that will never see a 64 bit upgrade. I tried the Jbridge demo in Reason, and just ultimately decided to keep Studio One around for that purpose.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 01 Aug 2017
by mbfrancis
mcatalao wrote: ↑29 Jul 2017
I didn't switch now but i used Cubase half a life ago, and ditched it when Record came along.
Thing is and i'm still annoyed about it, as a self recording artist i miss freaking automatic punch in/out.
And that's it. Something i believe it's possible to do with some lines of code and 2 buttons.
I like the comp editor, but its a complete mess to work with it. Locators would be great too, but i end up using Blocks not only for composing but for navigation, making use of the keyboard and the P key (p automatically creates a loop on a selected region, placing the locators on the full song. You can use shift for multiple selections too.).
I've used Sonar and PT, and I miss punch in/punch out. And yeah the comp editor can be a mess, it feels like it randomly created millions of unnecessary punch markers. Oh and you can't do multi-track comp editing (e.g., for drums). But I love reason.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 01 Aug 2017
by jlgrimes
I used to use Sonar.
Sonar had some cool features for managing large projects such as:
1. Fit tracks to Window command. Reason might have something similar now with updated zooming functionality though.
2. Track Freeze.
3. Track Archive/Hide/Track Manager.
Sonar had a more advanced snapping menu (probably one of the most advanced snapping menus I've seen in a DAW). I used to love being able to snap to clip ends and relative snap.
Sonar had a more sophisticated piano Roll as well.
Props have slowly improved the piano Roll though. If they had the note mute tool, and maybe a brush tool and the ability to change snap settings with computer key bindings, I'd be in heaven.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 02 Aug 2017
by Oquasec
I just wish it had snap to milliseconds. I mean turning the snap off is basically that but damn lol
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 04 Aug 2017
by groggy1
jlgrimes wrote: ↑01 Aug 2017
I used to use Sonar.
Sonar had some cool features for managing large projects such as:
1. Fit tracks to Window command. Reason might have something similar now with updated zooming functionality though.
2. Track Freeze.
3. Track Archive/Hide/Track Manager.
Sonar had a more advanced snapping menu (probably one of the most advanced snapping menus I've seen in a DAW). I used to love being able to snap to clip ends and relative snap.
Sonar had a more sophisticated piano Roll as well.
Props have slowly improved the piano Roll though. If they had the note mute tool, and maybe a brush tool and the ability to change snap settings with computer key bindings, I'd be in heaven.
Yeah, I love the track freeze in Sonar. I also agree with you that the snap is really good - being able to snap to clip ends is a must-have.
I think Piano roll is different for everyone: I never liked Sonar's piano-roll as much as i liked Reason's. My guess is that everyone gets used to a piano roll, and then expects the same exact behavior in their other DAWs.
Re: If you switched, do you miss anything about your old Host?
Posted: 07 Aug 2017
by DJMaytag
Manual entry of value, especially when trimming to dual in a critical value (ie channel fader value).