For the popular people on SoundCloud
How did you develop your fanbase, starting from practically invisible to at least hundreds of followers? Can you share your strategies? Or did you let it happen passively? (Although I don't think that's the most effective method)
The main "trick" is writing great music that's so good that people who hear it love it and feel compelled to SHARE it...
if that's not the reason it's blowing up, then it sort of doesn't deserve to be blowing up. The idea that we should be able to use some sort of trick to get people to like it is not what writing great music is about. Using "tricks" to "get people to like it" is kindof a myth. How often do you Share our Like or Follow music because you were tricked into Following it, or Liking and Sharing?
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if that's not the reason it's blowing up, then it sort of doesn't deserve to be blowing up. The idea that we should be able to use some sort of trick to get people to like it is not what writing great music is about. Using "tricks" to "get people to like it" is kindof a myth. How often do you Share our Like or Follow music because you were tricked into Following it, or Liking and Sharing?
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You could offer people money to share your music.etyrnal wrote: ↑29 Jun 2017The main "trick" is writing great music that's so good that people who hear it love it and feel compelled to SHARE it...
if that's not the reason it's blowing up, then it sort of doesn't deserve to be blowing up. The idea that we should be able to use some sort of trick to get people to like it is not what writing great music is about. Using "tricks" to "get people to like it" is kindof a myth. How often do you Share our Like or Follow music because you were tricked into Following it, or Liking and Sharing?
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produce music and share it as often as you can
It's not all about writing great (whatever that means) music or paying for friends.
Pay It Forward. Most people want people to listen to their music. So listen to other people's tracks, comment on them, like, share etc. don't scattergun, really find other artists you like and work on trying to genuinely support them. Then some will reciprocate.
Pay It Forward. Most people want people to listen to their music. So listen to other people's tracks, comment on them, like, share etc. don't scattergun, really find other artists you like and work on trying to genuinely support them. Then some will reciprocate.
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The other advice would be to set up a Facebook page to promote your music.
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There are tons of artists on soundcloud that make fantastic music and have hardly any listens.
sometimes it just comes down to blind luck that the right person or people hear your music or just simply promoting yourself 24/7 until you reach someone that can open that door to their network and audience.
No one had really heard of Chaos Chaos and they only had minor success until their track was featured at the end of a Rick and Morty episode and now they are sought after by a whole new audience of millions worldwide who would never had gave them a second listen.
sometimes it just comes down to blind luck that the right person or people hear your music or just simply promoting yourself 24/7 until you reach someone that can open that door to their network and audience.
No one had really heard of Chaos Chaos and they only had minor success until their track was featured at the end of a Rick and Morty episode and now they are sought after by a whole new audience of millions worldwide who would never had gave them a second listen.
Tend the flame
I used to use download Gates a lot on my tracks, which means that people need to follow you to download your stuff. I Got around 43k followers and being a part of a collective who reposts the same genres as you is good too. But really believe that soundcloud is dying slowly.
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↑Le Boeuf wrote: ↑30 Jun 2017I used to use download Gates a lot on my tracks, which means that people need to follow you to download your stuff. I Got around 43k followers and being a part of a collective who reposts the same genres as you is good too. But really believe that soundcloud is dying slowly.
I wonder why that is
It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
if you build it they will come.
EDIT: oh and i'm not popular on soundcloud ^.^ i just notice things. good producers will acquire a following eventually. sometimes by following trends and sometimes by changing the entire game.
EDIT: oh and i'm not popular on soundcloud ^.^ i just notice things. good producers will acquire a following eventually. sometimes by following trends and sometimes by changing the entire game.
Had me intruiged so I looked it up and it turns out it's not that different than buying likes, but in this case you reward people for visiting / liking your track by giving them something like a free download if they visit and like your track. It has the same lameness that buying likes has as far as I can tell.AttenuationHz wrote: ↑30 Jun 2017↑Le Boeuf wrote: ↑30 Jun 2017I used to use download Gates a lot on my tracks, which means that people need to follow you to download your stuff. I Got around 43k followers and being a part of a collective who reposts the same genres as you is good too. But really believe that soundcloud is dying slowly.
I wonder why that is
Well to me that is an ignorant statement but of course your opinion. I never bought a Like on anything because i Think its lame and narscisictic, i dont get it, why do you wanna have 1000 of likes when none is real?
For me dl Gates is fine, of course not the most Pretty method but its my Way of getting something out of people when They Want my product/song. And i Would have no followers if people didnt Want my tracks.
Im not a business man, but i know for sure that giving things out for free all day is bad business.
So bottomline is, all my followers and plays are real and i get a good organic reach. You Can of course have your opinion and try to get heard by other more clean methods but fact is that the music business is not perfect
For me dl Gates is fine, of course not the most Pretty method but its my Way of getting something out of people when They Want my product/song. And i Would have no followers if people didnt Want my tracks.
Im not a business man, but i know for sure that giving things out for free all day is bad business.
So bottomline is, all my followers and plays are real and i get a good organic reach. You Can of course have your opinion and try to get heard by other more clean methods but fact is that the music business is not perfect
Jagwah wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017Had me intruiged so I looked it up and it turns out it's not that different than buying likes, but in this case you reward people for visiting / liking your track by giving them something like a free download if they visit and like your track. It has the same lameness that buying likes has as far as I can tell.
It could definitely be an ignorant comment as I don't fully understand what it is you do. Can you please explain in a bit more detail the process you personally took with Gate, thanks.Le Boeuf wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017Well to me that is an ignorant statement but of course your opinion. I never bought a Like on anything because i Think its lame and narscisictic, i dont get it, why do you wanna have 1000 of likes when none is real?
For me dl Gates is fine, of course not the most Pretty method but its my Way of getting something out of people when They Want my product/song. And i Would have no followers if people didnt Want my tracks.
Im not a business man, but i know for sure that giving things out for free all day is bad business.
So bottomline is, all my followers and plays are real and i get a good organic reach. You Can of course have your opinion and try to get heard by other more clean methods but fact is that the music business is not perfect
Jagwah wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017
Had me intruiged so I looked it up and it turns out it's not that different than buying likes, but in this case you reward people for visiting / liking your track by giving them something like a free download if they visit and like your track. It has the same lameness that buying likes has as far as I can tell.
This too.
Many artists get success after they change their musical genre or sometimes it's as simple as a name change.
Personally I think just make music for yourself and if people like it great and if not don't stress over it.
If your music makes you happy then that is the most important thing.
Morphing to follow trends and fame is a question of artistic integrity, if an artist is comfortable pimping themselves out then good luck to them.
Some musicians have made an entire career out of it, I mean do you really think a musician that makes jingles for a living enjoys their work? Then again the artist that created the windows start up sound must be a very happy person. I know I'd wake up everyday with a smile knowing probably over a billion people are going to hear your creation and the same tomorrow.
Tend the flame
To chime in. Buying likes = fake followers. Using a download gate = actual people choosing to follow you to download your music. The 2 methods nothing alike.Jagwah wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017It could definitely be an ignorant comment as I don't fully understand what it is you do. Can you please explain in a bit more detail the process you personally took with Gate, thanks.Le Boeuf wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017Well to me that is an ignorant statement but of course your opinion. I never bought a Like on anything because i Think its lame and narscisictic, i dont get it, why do you wanna have 1000 of likes when none is real?
For me dl Gates is fine, of course not the most Pretty method but its my Way of getting something out of people when They Want my product/song. And i Would have no followers if people didnt Want my tracks.
Im not a business man, but i know for sure that giving things out for free all day is bad business.
So bottomline is, all my followers and plays are real and i get a good organic reach. You Can of course have your opinion and try to get heard by other more clean methods but fact is that the music business is not perfect
After a quick google it seems the Gate offer can be a gift of any kind, therefore not specifically related to the artist which is why I ask if he could explain the process he personally took. 50,000 plays for one soundcloud track and zero comments, there's another with 164,000 plays and zero comments, just had a quick look but it does make me wonder.
You seem quite certain about it yourself QVprod, can you share your experiences with Gate?
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Going to ask again I'd really like to know what you are doing, the exposure you have is incredible, just saw you have half a million plays on one of your remixes.Le Boeuf wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017Well to me that is an ignorant statement but of course your opinion. I never bought a Like on anything because i Think its lame and narscisictic, i dont get it, why do you wanna have 1000 of likes when none is real?
For me dl Gates is fine, of course not the most Pretty method but its my Way of getting something out of people when They Want my product/song. And i Would have no followers if people didnt Want my tracks.
Im not a business man, but i know for sure that giving things out for free all day is bad business.
So bottomline is, all my followers and plays are real and i get a good organic reach. You Can of course have your opinion and try to get heard by other more clean methods but fact is that the music business is not perfect
Jagwah wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017
Had me intruiged so I looked it up and it turns out it's not that different than buying likes, but in this case you reward people for visiting / liking your track by giving them something like a free download if they visit and like your track. It has the same lameness that buying likes has as far as I can tell.
I'd also love a heads up on where you get your vocal stems.
How has the exposure helped you as an artist, have you sold any remixes or got any gigs out of it?
Sorry for all the questions, really curious, cheers.
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Referring specifically to SoundCloud, services that offer download gates (many of which are free) are for music downloads. There's no way of paying for followers. Real people still have to organically find you and want to follow you. It's basically like selling on iTunes except the currency used to buy your song is a "follow" instead of money. In other words these are people who actually like the music enough to want to download it. It's simple tool for being able to generate and reach a fanbase. Key thing is these are actual people and these service do not guarantee you follows.
Paying for likes on the other hand means a bunch of fake profiles become your followers to make it look like you have a large following for a price as there is no way any service can guarantee you organic follows or likes. That's why there is no comparison. Comparing the two can be pretty insulting. Of course Le Boeuf can defend himself, but I felt that distinction should be made.
Edit: I just saw the edit to your post. While I myself don't have a huge Soundcloud following, I do have a download gate setup on my website. I've also download other artist's music by following them on twitter and other social media. Its basically the same method website use to get you to join their mailing list. It's a form of marketing that keeps you connected to a fanbase. I can say for any mailing list or like for download I've done, I was generally interested in the content or the artist.
I was kinda rude about it as I assumed something is amiss here. The numbers are pretty crazy - 1.2 millions plays on a track and 200 comments, never seen anything like it, also never seen a Fresh Prince of Bel Air acapella that he obviously has access to and that's just the start. Also he mentions his process is not the prettiest, and that I could try a more clean method, so I'm really curious to hear a bit more info about what's going on here.QVprod wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017Referring specifically to SoundCloud, services that offer download gates (many of which are free) are for music downloads. There's no way of paying for followers. Real people still have to organically find you and want to follow you. It's basically like selling on iTunes except the currency used to buy your song is a "follow" instead of money. In other words these are people who actually like the music enough to want to download it. It's simple tool for being able to generate and reach a fanbase. Key thing is these are actual people and these service do not guarantee you follows.
Paying for likes on the other hand means a bunch of fake profiles become your followers to make it look like you have a large following for a price as there is no way any service can guarantee you organic follows or likes. That's why there is no comparison. Comparing the two can be pretty insulting. Of course Le Boeuf can defend himself, but I felt that distinction should be made.
Edit: I just saw the edit to your post. While I myself don't have a huge Soundcloud following, I do have a download gate setup on my website. I've also download other artist's music by following them on twitter and other social media. Its basically the same method website use to get you to join their mailing list. It's a form of marketing that keeps you connected to a fanbase. I can say for any mailing list or like for download I've done, I was generally interested in the content or the artist.
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There was something out there called cloud killers where you pay for plays. I stayed away from it. I invest enough on equipment.Jagwah wrote:I was kinda rude about it as I assumed something is amiss here. The numbers are pretty crazy - 1.2 millions plays on a track and 200 comments, never seen anything like it, also never seen a Fresh Prince of Bel Air acapella that he obviously has access to and that's just the start. Also he mentions his process is not the prettiest, and that I could try a more clean method, so I'm really curious to hear a bit more info about what's going on here.QVprod wrote: ↑01 Jul 2017Referring specifically to SoundCloud, services that offer download gates (many of which are free) are for music downloads. There's no way of paying for followers. Real people still have to organically find you and want to follow you. It's basically like selling on iTunes except the currency used to buy your song is a "follow" instead of money. In other words these are people who actually like the music enough to want to download it. It's simple tool for being able to generate and reach a fanbase. Key thing is these are actual people and these service do not guarantee you follows.
Paying for likes on the other hand means a bunch of fake profiles become your followers to make it look like you have a large following for a price as there is no way any service can guarantee you organic follows or likes. That's why there is no comparison. Comparing the two can be pretty insulting. Of course Le Boeuf can defend himself, but I felt that distinction should be made.
Edit: I just saw the edit to your post. While I myself don't have a huge Soundcloud following, I do have a download gate setup on my website. I've also download other artist's music by following them on twitter and other social media. Its basically the same method website use to get you to join their mailing list. It's a form of marketing that keeps you connected to a fanbase. I can say for any mailing list or like for download I've done, I was generally interested in the content or the artist.
One trick I used along time ago was placing one of my songs in a top 100 torrent someone else created. A loss in money to be made by the song but gained a lot of fans.
Listen to Fresh Prince Of Bel - Air Theme (Messy Jesse Re - Edit) by Messy Jesse #np on #SoundCloud
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I'm just posting to say I enjoyed listening to that track. "Star Stuff"
EDIT: I realized that's your signature.
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But then are you going to also pay the people who the music was shared to, by the people who you paid to share music, to also share it? You're going to pay everyone in the world to listen to your music? This is the opposite of what you're actually trying to do isn't it? It's kind of like wanting something for nothing.jonheal wrote:You could offer people money to share your music.etyrnal wrote: ↑29 Jun 2017The main "trick" is writing great music that's so good that people who hear it love it and feel compelled to SHARE it...
if that's not the reason it's blowing up, then it sort of doesn't deserve to be blowing up. The idea that we should be able to use some sort of trick to get people to like it is not what writing great music is about. Using "tricks" to "get people to like it" is kindof a myth. How often do you Share our Like or Follow music because you were tricked into Following it, or Liking and Sharing?
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Etyrnal: ignore me. I was just being my regular facetious self.
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We've all come through an era where sharing has been discouraged, and made difficult due to record labels etc...Aosta wrote:There are tons of artists on soundcloud that make fantastic music and have hardly any listens.
sometimes it just comes down to blind luck that the right person or people hear your music or just simply promoting yourself 24/7 until you reach someone that can open that door to their network and audience.
No one had really heard of Chaos Chaos and they only had minor success until their track was featured at the end of a Rick and Morty episode and now they are sought after by a whole new audience of millions worldwide who would never had gave them a second listen.
ages ago music used to be shared more freely...
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theres a hex on the like button,worldwide considering how easy it is to click im amazed at my reluctance
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