Reason 9.5 – VST in Reason

[joeyluck]

Anyone think Au support in Reason for mac users could be a possibility?

Well, as we learned with 9.5, I suppose anything is eventually possible. That said, I doubt it will happen for the reasons already stated. Also, AU is actually VST in a wrapper, so it wouldn't make sense for Reason to go through the hassle when the vast majority are all VST anyway. I'd put the onus on the dev to just release the product as a VST instead.

*RE instead

Don't count on it. VST and AU are similar enough that it's not likely to require a major investment in a port like an RE would. If they're already not bothering to release a VST alongside their AU, it makes more sense to take the path of least resistance and ask for what would give them the most useful result for the least amount of work.

I get your point, but I'll continue to request REs just as I did before. I don't see myself ever right-off-the-bat asking, "Hey, I'd like to use your plugin in Reason, can you make it a VST?" It's just not something I find appealing enough to request and the RE format is so much better for me in many ways. But maybe after I've bugged them a good deal about making a RE, and it seems like they aren't budging, I'll request a VST

[ljekio]

No. Neither can it read anything from inside a refill.

Kontakt file browser cannot read, but maybe dragndrop from Reason browser onto Kontakt window help for it?

[avasopht]

Kontakt file browser cannot read, but maybe dragndrop from Reason browser onto Kontakt window help for it?

If you drag/drop a patch and Kontakt accepts the patch then no, because the patches will reference the Refill. If you successfully drag / drop a sample, then Reason would have to send the sample as a new file. Long story short, there is presently nothing to enable other software to look within a Refill.

But Propellerhead could provide a virtual drive or map refills to a directory.

[Exowildebeest]

Kontakt file browser cannot read, but maybe dragndrop from Reason browser onto Kontakt window help for it?

If you drag/drop a patch and Kontakt accepts the patch then no, because the patches will reference the Refill. If you successfully drag / drop a sample, then Reason would have to send the sample as a new file. Long story short, there is presently nothing to enable other software to look within a Refill.

But Propellerhead could provide a virtual drive or map refills to a directory.

This means the .rfl format is now dead.

Refill makers should really start distributing their stuff in .zip.

[koshal]

Regarding AU... there are popular plugins that won't run in Reason 9.5 currently because the developers only support VST3 and AU on the Mac. Halion/Halion Sonic (and the entire Absolute VST Collection) from Steinberg, Vocalign Pro (Synchro Arts) and the Antares stuff for example come to mind.

Now granted I agree its a small amount and I assume there may be workarounds for some of them(like launching AU plugs inside of VST plugs like metaplugin or maschine) but it won't be as easy/fast as just supporting the format natively.

Honestly I'd rather just see VST3 support much more than AU. VST3 support would be *forward looking*.

I personally think they won't support AU and/or VST3 for a while though. I think there are probably bigger fish to fry and I think some huge features/changes will drop for Reason 10, whenever that will be. I guess there is a chance it could be part of that release but I'm not holding my breath.

It's all good and definitely not a complaint but just pointing out the fact there are plugins that won't run. Either way I was so shocked when I heard the announcement. It still blows my f*cking mind.

I bought reason 2.5 and upgraded every release all the way to Reason 9 but had given up on Reason the past few years cause I needed to use all my plugs and found Studio One. But now I'm back baby!

[danc]

When things settle down it will become a lot clearer when it's best to use an RE instead of an VST. I am already finding that the utility and dynamic REs win hands down compared to doing it via VST. Making music is a creative exercise and the least resistance in terms of tools is where you create best - REs are far easier to interact with as they are embedded.

[ltbrunt00]

Another day another day without a Golden Beta Ticket.

[miscend]

Not supporting VST 3 and AU is rather odd. It's makes you wonder what was the thinking behind that decision.

[esselfortium]

Not supporting VST 3 and AU is rather odd. It's makes you wonder what was the thinking behind that decision.

I think the idea was to focus on the most widely-used format to limit the scope a bit, since even testing for the variety of common VST2 plugins out there is a massive task.

[Oquasec]

Vst 3 won't be the most commonly used format till at the earliest, 2020.

[Karim]

Not supporting VST 3 and AU is rather odd. It's makes you wonder what was the thinking behind that decision.

Reaper, Live, S1 and Bitwig supports AU since day one so I don't know what's the problem to implement that in future versions. It's matter of time ...

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[mind2069]

Just look at some videos on youtube, excellent implementation of vst's, like someone said, it's way better than others daws, irony being the anti vst daw get the best vst implementation, just seing they go in combinators is wow.

Once reason get and sequencer midi/update, it will rival seriously with top daw's

[Tumble]

Just look at some videos on youtube, excellent implementation of vst's, like someone said, it's way better than others daws, irony being the anti vst daw get the best vst implementation, just seing they go in combinators is wow.

Once reason get and sequencer midi/update, it will rival seriously with top daw's

What is better about it? Being able to put them in combinators isn't exactly revolutionary seeing as you can already do the same in other DAWs (racks in Live, containers in Bitwig etc.)

[joeyluck]

Reason 9.5 discussed during today's Sonic Talk @8:30

[EnochLight]

What is better about it?

Being able to use them in Reason's rack, as a rack device.

Being able to put them in combinators isn't exactly revolutionary seeing as you can already do the same in other DAWs (racks in Live, containers in Bitwig etc.)

Sure, but Live and Bitwig aren't Reason, and don't have Reason's rack paradigm or workflow.

[Creativemind]

One of the reasons I jumped Cubase years ago was the pop up window mentality of 'normal' DAWs so see how I am with trying it again.

Easily solved, don't use vst's, stick to Re's

[Mauricio Duarte]

Reason is the best DAW for Music Production Out There. Just a Fantastic piece of gear. Can't wait to try with my UAD cards

[Creativemind]

I just open REASON literally 5 minutes ago (I have't in months)...and I realized how deep my mindset is all into the way S1 workflow..But man I ALSO noticed how beautiful REASON devices are in general SPECIFICALLY the mixer

Yeah just need themes to apply to it as well:-)

[plaamook]

Slowed down after only 28 pages...
Hmph!

[zeebot]

One of the reasons I jumped Cubase years ago was the pop up window mentality of 'normal' DAWs so see how I am with trying it again.

Easily solved, don't use vst's, stick to Re's

Well I'm open to trying it again, it just annoyed the shit out of me years ago using them and cubase which is why I finally jumped over just as R6 was released.
I'll give some freebie VSTs a go first, it's just I'm so used to having everything just there in one window and drag the sizes around depending on what I'm focused on (sequencer,rack or mixer). If it all goes ok I will be looking into some EastWest stuff and maybe Komplete much later on when I get up off the floor from the bank statement for the EastWest stuff I want.
If props could find a way to wrap a VST into a customizable combinator with draggable rescaling or an interactive screen/window that can be locked to the rack, that I would definitely use.

[Creativemind]

One of the reasons I jumped Cubase years ago was the pop up window mentality of 'normal' DAWs so see how I am with trying it again.

Easily solved, don't use vst's, stick to Re's

Well I'm open to trying it again, it just annoyed the shit out of me years ago using them and cubase which is why I finally jumped over just as R6 was released.
I'll give some freebie VSTs a go first, it's just I'm so used to having everything just there in one window and drag the sizes around depending on what I'm focused on (sequencer,rack or mixer). If it all goes ok I will be looking into some EastWest stuff and maybe Komplete much later on when I get up off the floor from the bank statement for the EastWest stuff I want.
If props could find a way to wrap a VST into a customizable combinator with draggable rescaling or an interactive screen/window that can be locked to the rack, that I would definitely use.

Some good ones to start with, free:- Look for the Classic range of effects...Classic Auto-Filter, Classic Delay, Classic Reverb...etc..there's 8...here's a link to the auto filter one:-

http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=505

Also try Yedey.Com Trance Drive if you like Trance Music:-

http://www.plugindex.de/trancedrive-pc/

and the SQ8L (Emulation of the Ensonique SQ-80 and SQ-81 in one synth), very well made for free:-

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/sq8l_s ... d_kullmann

also Engineers Filter:-

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/engine ... _by_rs_met

deadmau5 recommended it on his recent music production video and it's one of the few filters that allows at 90 degree cut.

[mind2069]

Just look at some videos on youtube, excellent implementation of vst's, like someone said, it's way better than others daws, irony being the anti vst daw get the best vst implementation, just seing they go in combinators is wow.

Once reason get and sequencer midi/update, it will rival seriously with top daw's

What is better about it? Being able to put them in combinators isn't exactly revolutionary seeing as you can already do the same in other DAWs (racks in Live, containers in Bitwig etc.)

Yes but you still got the cv and backpanel routing, I know not direct in the vst but now you can use audio splitters, left right to different effects,

People seen to rave about the rack and audio/cv cable format, now it "works" well with vst's too, so all of this can be done in other daws, my mistake

I thinks they have done a pretty good job at integrating vst's and keeping the reason rack / workflow prefectly, the only thing that can interfear is a buggy vst and thats not PH fault

[jam-s]

I'm looking forward to have Reaktor inside the Reason rack. It will be quite heavy on the CPU, but if they would introduce real track freezing in 9.6 then all would be great.

[ljekio]

Some good ones to start with, free:- Look for the Classic range of effects...Classic Auto-Filter, Classic Delay, Classic Reverb...etc..there's 8...here's a link to the auto filter one:-

http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=505

Classic compressor is my favorite
All plugins deserve attention - http://www.vst4free.com/index.php?dev=Kjaerhus_Audio

[Creativemind]

Just look at some videos on youtube, excellent implementation of vst's, like someone said, it's way better than others daws, irony being the anti vst daw get the best vst implementation, just seing they go in combinators is wow.

Once reason get and sequencer midi/update, it will rival seriously with top daw's

What is better about it? Being able to put them in combinators isn't exactly revolutionary seeing as you can already do the same in other DAWs (racks in Live, containers in Bitwig etc.)

Yeah and patcher in FL Studio. I wouldn't be surpeised if Logic, Cubase and Pro Tools have there own methods too.