REASON gets VST !!!!!!

[tanni]

https://www.gearnews.de/reason-vst-das- ... it-werden/

means: there are reliable rumors that Reason gets VST !!!

[Gulale]

That is a great news if it is true. Congrats! Time to run UAD in this baby. Oh wait PDC is needed.

[TheMiles]

IF that happens, I am sure the implementation will be great

[Deep Schulzz]

That would definetely kill the Rack Extensions format.

[stratatonic]

https://www.gearnews.de/reason-vst-das- ... it-werden/

means: there are reliable rumors that Reason gets VST !!!

Someone commented on that site:
Das wär der Oberhammer!!!! Dann kauft nur niemand mehr die RE's.... : D

That would be the Oberhammer !!!! Then only nobody buys the RE's ....

I disagree with that comment. If an RE is useful to me, I am going to buy it.
It's not an either-or situation.

[stratatonic]

That would definetely kill the Rack Extensions format.

^^see above

[Gulale]

That would definetely kill the Rack Extensions format.

I don't think so. People who like to patch things up still prefer to buy that way than to use VST. Man you have no idea how many times I started to mix in reason and stop cause of PDC, Drum replacement, UAD VOG too much to mention.

[Gulale]

If VST is implemented for real, I know for the fact that I will start supporting PH as I feel not tied up with it. That is the fact I bought Harrison plugins.

[tibah]

This would be a total bummer to all people that invested into REs, developers and also would make the whole SDK redundant. Yea, RE are a standard and the integration is nicer, I'm not going to argue about that, but everything else about VSTs is superior. From the standards, to license transfers (aka hey I can sell this) to support for 3rd party sound-sets, to tutorials.

And once you have that VST loader whatever running you have the same floating window mess experience like any other DAW... hurray!

Seriously, Reason isn't build around the idea of plug-ins. It's build around the idea of the rack. Kill that and kill their own standard? I simply have to doubt.

[alex]

Uhmmm ... Is this a reliable source? I don't know...

[sdst]

This would be a total bummer to all people that invested into REs,

I'm very happy.

[modecca]

May the 2 big R's in my world finally meet:
reason+ reaktor

[Karim]

[riemac]

Uhmmm ... Is this a reliable source? I don't know...

My guess is, that it is reliable. I got a very strange answere from a vst developer which indicated, that Reason will get vst support. I like this news, if it is correct. On the other hand I still will support the Rack Extension format and developers like Blamsoft.

[ejanuska]

I refuse to believe it until PH puts it out.
Smells like click bait or its cousin, bullshit.

[stevan]

Yup, sure ... , that would vaporize the RE market in seconds ... so, forget it

[chk071]

I can't believe it too. But, i guess they woulmd't bring such news, if they hadn't a reliable source. At least they better have one,,,

[chk071]

Yup, sure ... , that would vaporize the RE market in seconds ... so, forget it

Indeed.

[riemac]

Yup, sure ... , that would vaporize the RE market in seconds ... so, forget it

I'm not so sure about this. Imagine the user base would double because of VST Support. Even if the existing users wouldn't spend so much money anymore for RE's, the increase of new users who would sometimes buy a RE as well would compensate for that.

[Gardinski]

Having read a rough translation of the article via the oh-so-shaky medium of Google Translate, this all sounds VERY speculative to me. They hint at a surefire source who has apparently been accurate in the past, but specify that this is not "100% secured". So they don't really know any more than we do - (which amounts to nothing!)

So far, there is exactly one way to use effects or plug-ins in Reason: You use the ones as Rack Extension (RE). These are mainly special effects developed for Reasons rack system, but with the disadvantage that only a few plug-in manufacturers use the interface. This could now be fundamentally changed or obsolete.

Reason is to get VST. To what extent and in what form, we unfortunately do not know. Only that it should happen quite soon. It is not a rumor generated in forums, but an information from a reliable source in the past. Nevertheless, it is not 100% secured.

Is the Propellerheads trying to pull the rudder for Reason again? Reason plays as a special DAW rather a subordinate role in the market - which is nothing bad and VST is definitely more interesting for many users than ever. Another step (after MIDI out) towards the user. Or will it simply happen, because Steinberg the VST3 interface now under Open Source license drives?

It would also be interesting to know whether Reason 9.5 or 10 is planned. Is actually already a very buyable update.
It is said to happen soon. Maybe tomorrow, maybe only early May. We keep you up to date. So always look again.

Personally, I have very mixed feelings about the potential availability of VSTs in Reason. I would hate to see it compromise the viability of Rack Extensions and the developers who specialise in them. I love being part of an exclusive little gang of mavericks and outliers, who are working with a slightly different toolkit from the rest of the world. I don't really want that to change too much, especially if it means we'll get fewer of the quirky, unique products we've seen recently.

And more worryingly, I think there's a really serious risk that it will destroy the delicate little ecosystem that keeps both Props and RE developers afloat. If people start buying VSTs instead of REs (or, let's face it, 'pirating' VSTs - because I honestly think the easy availability of cracks is what drives a lot of the demand for VST integration), then that's a mighty chunk of revenue which will not make its way to Propellerheads, and that is bound to make the future of Reason a riskier proposition. I very much want Reason to still be around in 15 years. It's the only DAW I feel 100% comfortable with, and the only one which feels like an actual 'musical instrument' in its own right.

[lowpryo]

This would be a total bummer to all people that invested into REs, developers and also would make the whole SDK redundant. Yea, RE are a standard and the integration is nicer, I'm not going to argue about that, but everything else about VSTs is superior. From the standards, to license transfers (aka hey I can sell this) to support for 3rd party sound-sets, to tutorials.

And once you have that VST loader whatever running you have the same floating window mess experience like any other DAW... hurray!

Seriously, Reason isn't build around the idea of plug-ins. It's build around the idea of the rack. Kill that and kill their own standard? I simply have to doubt.

for me, I would still use 95% reason devices and rack extensions. but the idea of a VST loader appeals to me for the very few devices that Reason has no real competitor to at the moment.

this method wouldn't turn into a "floating window mess". it'll be more like when you use the 'external MIDI instrument' device. only instead of turning to a hardware device in your room, it's a separate window that you can open and close.

[stratatonic]

Having read a rough translation of the article via the oh-so-shaky medium of Google Translate...

Reason is to get VST. To what extent and in what form, we unfortunately do not know.

Could be bi-directional ReWire...

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[riemac]

Having read a rough translation of the article via the oh-so-shaky medium of Google Translate, this all sounds VERY speculative to me. They hint at a surefire source who has apparently been accurate in the past, but specify that this is not "100% secured". So they don't really know any more than we do - (which amounts to nothing!)

So far, there is exactly one way to use effects or plug-ins in Reason: You use the ones as Rack Extension (RE). These are mainly special effects developed for Reasons rack system, but with the disadvantage that only a few plug-in manufacturers use the interface. This could now be fundamentally changed or obsolete.

Reason is to get VST. To what extent and in what form, we unfortunately do not know. Only that it should happen quite soon. It is not a rumor generated in forums, but an information from a reliable source in the past. Nevertheless, it is not 100% secured.

Is the Propellerheads trying to pull the rudder for Reason again? Reason plays as a special DAW rather a subordinate role in the market - which is nothing bad and VST is definitely more interesting for many users than ever. Another step (after MIDI out) towards the user. Or will it simply happen, because Steinberg the VST3 interface now under Open Source license drives?

It would also be interesting to know whether Reason 9.5 or 10 is planned. Is actually already a very buyable update.
It is said to happen soon. Maybe tomorrow, maybe only early May. We keep you up to date. So always look again.

Personally, I have very mixed feelings about the potential availability of VSTs in Reason. I would hate to see it compromise the viability of Rack Extensions and the developers who specialise in them. I love being part of an exclusive little gang of mavericks and outliers, who are working with a slightly different toolkit from the rest of the world. I don't really want that to change too much, especially if it means we'll get fewer of the quirky, unique products we've seen recently.

And more worryingly, I think there's a really serious risk that it will destroy the delicate little ecosystem that keeps both Props and RE developers afloat. If people start buying VSTs instead of REs (or, let's face it, 'pirating' VSTs - because I honestly think the easy availability of cracks is what drives a lot of the demand for VST integration), then that's a mighty chunk of revenue which will not make its way to Propellerheads, and that is bound to make the future of Reason a riskier proposition. I very much want Reason to still be around in 15 years. It's the only DAW I feel 100% comfortable with, and the only one which feels like an actual 'musical instrument' in its own right.

In some way Propellerhead must have found a way, that VST Integration will make a good businesscase for them. I hope they doen't offer vst Integration as subscription model.

[Timmy Crowne]

I wouldn't doubt it. I remember when audio recording was never gonna happen. Then it did. MIDI out was never gonna happen. Then it did. Creating REX files in Reason was never gonna happen. Then it did.

I can see both formats existing on a parallel track. VSTs are basically "outboard" MIDI workstations while REs remain modules that can use CV and combinator routing "inside" the rack.

Now if we get to connect any CV output to any knob on a VST device, we're gonna see some insane stuff!

[chk071]

Having read a rough translation of the article via the oh-so-shaky medium of Google Translate...

Reason is to get VST. To what extent and in what form, we unfortunately do not know.

Could be bi-directional ReWire...

Before they implement that, they surely might just implement VST support...