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I thought the point of Reason was to make music, and to be able to make music as easy as possible. That's been Propellerhead's very public mission statement from the beginning, at least...
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25 Apr 2017

Cool story bro!
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Adorable!
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I have a sneaking suspicion that Reason 10 (and its myriad point upgrading) is going to have a lot to do with mobile devices (and software) and connectivity with the rapidly expanding wireless music world. Reason 10 will be bringing us into 2020. I feel the landscape will be dramatically different, and hopefully not too influenced by some monosyllabic maggot.

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I'd rather they not draw out reason 10 to 2020. That's counter productive on all fronts.
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Oquasec wrote:I'd rather they not draw out reason 10 to 2020. That's counter productive on all fronts.
I feel that Props will be making numerous R9 point upgrades to more or less perfect what they have for the desktop, and then introduce a new world of serious mobile stuff with R10 and its point upgrades, including multitrack collaboration (Cubase is now on iPad with Audiobus!), and then iPhone-type video integration with 10.5 or R11. Or not. I'm seriously good with 9.2, especially now I have AC Sabre hooked up to Parsec, Thor and Miroslav in NNXT (and Legend when I can afford it). Talk about Star Trek Next Generation.
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25 Apr 2017

If they dont update the graphics before 2020 half the ppl wont be able to use it as it will look worse than an un-upscaled Ps1 game on a 4k tv. Well, maybe that'll be in 2025.

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Does reason support dpi scaling like studio one? I just now realized resolution makes more pixels hit the screen and the result is a more zoomed out image. [still on 1080p monitors despite having a rig that goes past it xD]
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Oquasec wrote:Does reason support dpi scaling like studio one? I just now realized resolution makes more pixels hit the screen and the result is a more zoomed out image. [still on 1080p monitors despite having a rig that goes past it xD]
No. Not the rack or mixer, anyway. The rest of the GUI can scale fine (the underlying framework is there).
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Ah. Might get a 4k monitor in the future. Seems like those things dropped fuck all in price these past few years jesus lol
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Oquasec wrote:I'm not against vsts. I'm against them being a part of reason.
That's the purpose of that module that controls not only those, but anything midi related.
That's the purpose of using reason. Propellerhead could make their own dedicated loopback for vsts but hey.
I've detailed, many times, my idea of how VSTI'S could be a part of Reason without breaking the paradigm (too much). And that is an EMI style device with macro controls on the front, a button that launches a pop out editor window for the GUI, and CV inputs that can be mapped to host automation IDs using a combi style programmer. Maybe an expandable audio I/O panel too with a stereo pair of inputs and 8 stereo pairs for multi out VSTs.

That's the way I imagine it working. So that when you're not looking at the plugin window you've got a nice, skinnable rack device that fits perfectly into the rack environment without the need for porting or resizing interfaces or anything else.

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fieldframe wrote:I calculated the time between the release dates for the past 10 years of Reason releases.

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Version	  Date			  Days since previous version
Today		 4/19/2017		302d
9			  6/21/2016		630d
8			  9/30/2014		518d
7			  4/30/2013		578d
6			  9/30/2011		401d
5			  8/25/2010		1093d
4			  8/28/2007		901d
3			  3/10/2005	
The average time between major versions is 687 days.
The shortest time was between Reason 5 and Reason 6, which was 401 days.
The longest time was between Reason 4 and Reason 5, which was 1093 days.

If we consider only the three most recent versions (more likely to be representative), we get an average of 575 days.

We are, as of today, 302 days into Reason 9. If the current release pattern holds, we could then expect Reason 10 to be released 273 days from now which would mean Reason 10 would be released on January 17, 2018.

Record was released September 9th 2009, so that should be in there. You should also probably remove versions 3 and 4 from the Record and start from Record 1.5, because that was really about the time that the Props started to move into the big leagues. Prior to that they had really just been a very good plugin company who used their own protocol (ReWire) rather than VST, but could also win over users without DAW's, as they had a MIDI sequencer.

I would personally include Reason 6.5 (14th June 2012) as well, as it was a major update :)

Then there is the question of the not-so-minor point updates such as Reason 8.3 etc. These have been the norm recently, which was never the case before about 7.1 (???). Prior to that it was always smaller bug fix updates etc.

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Here's my own version of the release table, but I've made my alterations with regard to my previous post. I've not counted all of the bigger point updates, because my own feeling was that counting every one gave too loose a definition of "major update". I also can't remember which of the 8.x updates it was that was the biggest one, so I just went for 8.3, but as a singular point it makes no difference to the averages.

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Version     Date           Days since previous version
Today       4/26/2017      309d
9           6/21/2016      356d
8.3         6/30/2015      273d
8           9/30/2014      164d    
7.1         4/09/2014      344d
7           4/30/2013      320d
6.5         6/14/2012      258d
6           9/30/2011      401d
5           8/25/2010      350d
Rec         9/09/2009

With these revisions :

The average time between major versions is 308 days.
The shortest time was between Reason 7.1 and Reason 8, which was 164 days.
The longest time was between Reason 5 (Record 1.5) and Reason 6, which was 401 days. Keep in mind this period was also when they were working on Balance.

If we consider only the three most recent versions (more likely to be representative), we get an average of 264 days. This of course suggests that there is something overdue or imminent, but there is a rather anomalous short gap between 7.1 and 8.

Discarding this value and using the three most recent (excluding the anomaly) gives us 324, which means that it would be quite soon - and my feeling has always been that it's roughly a year between releases these days, sometimes a month more, sometimes a month less. Barring 2014, when we got both 7.1 and 8, you can see that it has been one release per year.

You can also notice a much more obvious trend, in that they tend to like doing it in the "summer half" of the year, with every single one between April 1st and September 30th (not since 2005 has this trend been deviated from).

So sometime summer-ish is my guess, and given the already elapsed time I'd be surprised if this was off. If it's much longer I'd be thinking it's something really, really big - such as a complete mobile version. If it does come out really soon, I'd be thinking a "smaller" point update, with something really cool and unexpected (like the Ableton Link stuff), but not the kind of thing which really changes the game a whole lot.

Well, that was fun.

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Lowlifebware wrote:Here's my own version of the release table, but I've made my alterations with regard to my previous post. I've not counted all of the bigger point updates, because my own feeling was that counting every one gave too loose a definition of "major update". I also can't remember which of the 8.x updates it was that was the biggest one, so I just went for 8.3, but as a singular point it makes no difference to the averages.

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Version     Date           Days since previous version
Today       4/26/2017      309d
9           6/21/2016      356d
8.3         6/30/2015      273d
8           9/30/2014      164d    
7.1         4/09/2014      344d
7           4/30/2013      320d
6.5         6/14/2012      258d
6           9/30/2011      401d
5           8/25/2010      350d
Rec         9/09/2009

With these revisions :

The average time between major versions is 308 days.
The shortest time was between Reason 7.1 and Reason 8, which was 164 days.
The longest time was between Reason 5 (Record 1.5) and Reason 6, which was 401 days. Keep in mind this period was also when they were working on Balance.

If we consider only the three most recent versions (more likely to be representative), we get an average of 264 days. This of course suggests that there is something overdue or imminent, but there is a rather anomalous short gap between 7.1 and 8.

Discarding this value and using the three most recent (excluding the anomaly) gives us 324, which means that it would be quite soon - and my feeling has always been that it's roughly a year between releases these days, sometimes a month more, sometimes a month less. Barring 2014, when we got both 7.1 and 8, you can see that it has been one release per year.

You can also notice a much more obvious trend, in that they tend to like doing it in the "summer half" of the year, with every single one between April 1st and September 30th (not since 2005 has this trend been deviated from).

So sometime summer-ish is my guess, and given the already elapsed time I'd be surprised if this was off. If it's much longer I'd be thinking it's something really, really big - such as a complete mobile version. If it does come out really soon, I'd be thinking a "smaller" point update, with something really cool and unexpected (like the Ableton Link stuff), but not the kind of thing which really changes the game a whole lot.

Well, that was fun.

Cheers
B
Interesting stats. Would be nice to see all updates too. I didnt notice all changes in the last time and i am only on board since 8 again, but i think, there were often a x.5 release with some additional device. If this is truee, we might expect something like a 9.5 with a new device - but as others pointed already out, they actually prefere to sell them separately as a RE.

Interesting thing would be, the long gap between 8 and 9??? Was this Alihoopa and or mobile stuff?

Tbh, 1 year version cycle with not many high class features is a pretty long time. I hope, they work under the hood on the architecture to support something, that requires fundamental changes, like SDK or latency compensation.

More speculation will come around the corner...i am sure....
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Lowlifebware wrote:Here's my own version of the release table...

Version Date Days since previous version
5 8/25/2010 350d
Rec 9/09/2009
Hey B - didn't Record 1.0 and Reason 5 come out around the same time? I remember using Reason 5 with Record 1.0 (to be what would essentially become Reason 6)...

It's all a bit blurry to me, though...
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From my perspective, 9.3 just came out. It is a $5 upgrade, called AC Sabre.

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fieldframe wrote:Ernst's Law: As the length of a thread about Reason approaches infinity, the probability of it becoming a debate about VST approaches 100%.
That will henceforth be know as Fieldframe's Law... :D

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I personally hope that PH drops a big one for reason 10 like something along the lines of a new device for reason maybe an additive re synthesizer? That'd be cool but It seems as though they want more to do with mobile stuff which I personally am not so interested in. I know that il be happy with pretty much what ever they do :)
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WongoTheSane wrote:
fieldframe wrote:Ernst's Law: As the length of a thread about Reason approaches infinity, the probability of it becoming a debate about VST approaches 100%.
That will henceforth be know as Fieldframe's Law... :D
Ok, I will accept the naming of this law. :lol:

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Every numbered version should mean a few new modules by default.
Even if they just took some RE and bundled em into the daw by default PROPS HOW BOUT THAT PLS WTF
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I'd love to see VST integration. :reason:

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If they do, make the emi a combinator for external plugins pls.
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EnochLight wrote:
Lowlifebware wrote:Here's my own version of the release table...

Version Date Days since previous version
5 8/25/2010 350d
Rec 9/09/2009
Hey B - didn't Record 1.0 and Reason 5 come out around the same time? I remember using Reason 5 with Record 1.0 (to be what would essentially become Reason 6)...

It's all a bit blurry to me, though...
I'm not Lowlifebware, but I bought into Record and Reason 4 at the same time. Around the time Reason 5 was released, Record was updated to 1.5.
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Maybe reason 10 can have a combinator update with all the RE effects I wish we had 8 knobs or even 2 extra would be handy also in the programmer they should add a few extra mod slots I'm getting better at making more complex sounds and I'm filling up all the slots quickly just with the basic filter, env, env loop rate, and some creative filter or phaser modulation, wish I could also be able to have chorus modulation distortion modulation going on via automation, for now I supplement by using Cv or by making a combinator effect but it makes my sequencer cluttered also the mix channels, I wish it wouldn't create another automation lane in the sequencer like I wish it would just be a slightly different color to signify it's the same channel but the mix channel rotaries haha hope all of this makes sense :p
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Gaja wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
Lowlifebware wrote:Here's my own version of the release table...

Version Date Days since previous version
5 8/25/2010 350d
Rec 9/09/2009
Hey B - didn't Record 1.0 and Reason 5 come out around the same time? I remember using Reason 5 with Record 1.0 (to be what would essentially become Reason 6)...

It's all a bit blurry to me, though...
I'm not Lowlifebware, but I bought into Record and Reason 4 at the same time. Around the time Reason 5 was released, Record was updated to 1.5.
Yeah it was 5 and 1.5 at the same time. Record for Reason 1.0 had Reason 4 integrated into it, and just normal Record 1.0 had the initial DAW toolkit basics plus a few rack devices. Reason 6 was when Record got dropped.

@EnochLight - I had to look it up myself, as I thought the original version of the table gave a rather skewed angle on what's really happening. For me, more recently it's felt like "something major once a year". :)

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