MacBook Pro 2016 15" 2.7Ghz Touch Bar and Reason9 performance.

[boiltheocean120]

Hi,

just upgraded to new MBP 2016 15" i7 2.7Ghz (Radeon 460) and tested Reason (internal sound chip) and was horrified of the performance.

I loaded some of my songs which were made in my Mac Mini Late 2012 internal sound chip also (Which were running fine on 256 buffer).

New MBP STRUGGLES (cpu peaks and song has major stutter, CPU limit is none on both) with the same songs which run fine on 4 year old Mac. I have to increase the buffer to 512 / 1024 and suffer from latency.

It also seems that Reason has some issue with displaying graphics (no bugs) but when you minimize the Reason screen you get less stutter (retina giving too heavy load ?).

Also Touch Bar F4 (keyboard midikeys) works randomly.

I ran disk speed tests and cpu bench marks and got top results. Is it possible that internal soundchip is so "shitty" on newer Macs?

[Gaja]

IIRC TheoM did extensive tests on mac book pro performance and concluded that something in the OS causes Reason to lag. When you install Windows on it, it'll be as powerful as it should be...


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[aisling]

IIRC TheoM did extensive tests on mac book pro performance and concluded that something in the OS causes Reason to lag. When you install Windows on it, it'll be as powerful as it should be...


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I wonder if this is hardware or software related? Could it apply to other macs with the latest OS, and not just the latest mbp releases?

[Goriila Texas]

IIRC TheoM did extensive tests on mac book pro performance and concluded that something in the OS causes Reason to lag. When you install Windows on it, it'll be as powerful as it should be...


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I wonder if this is hardware or software related? Could it apply to other macs with the latest OS, and not just the latest mbp releases?

OS since it works when using windows on a mac.

[Fig]

I quit useing OSX on my 2012 MacBook Pro for music. Put Win 10 on it, and it does so much better. I thing Apples (Tim Cook) focus is on mobile devices and theyare pushing there computer biz to the back. I used to be a Mac guy, but IMHO Windows is now better for music production. I still use OSX for every thing else though.

[Koncide]

IIRC TheoM did extensive tests on mac book pro performance and concluded that something in the OS causes Reason to lag. When you install Windows on it, it'll be as powerful as it should be...

I actually have the opposite experience of this. Maybe 4 years ago, Reason 6 ran horribly on my windows 7 gaming PC, and beautifully on my mid-2012 MBpro.

Though I have yet to actually try Reason on Windows 10, so who knows maybe things are different now.

[moneykube]

IIRC TheoM did extensive tests on mac book pro performance and concluded that something in the OS causes Reason to lag. When you install Windows on it, it'll be as powerful as it should be...

I actually have the opposite experience of this. Maybe 4 years ago, Reason 6 ran horribly on my windows 7 gaming PC, and beautifully on my mid-2012 MBpro.

Though I have yet to actually try Reason on Windows 10, so who knows maybe things are different now.

mid-2012 works fine , I bought that one because at the time reviews for it and Reason were good. mine is still kicking running mountain lion. I think apple changed to some unstable transistors or something in some of the later releases. not sure where I read that as it's been awhile

[satyr32]

today i got the MBP 2016 15" i7 2.9Ghz (Radeon 460). i was and i am and i will still be shocked how bad the performance is. before i had a mid 2014 macbook pro with 2.2Ghz i7 and it performs better than the new one. I AM ANGRY AND SCHOCKED. i tried other audio software like Reaktor 5, and the new macbook performs better about 10 to 15%, exactly what i expected and what it should do. So the bad audio performance is only related to Reason altough i also heard of problems with Logic.
The bad performance in Reason might be because it uses only single core and altough the new processors are overall better if they use more than one core, maybe the single cores perform worse.
oh dear, i am angry. i cannot believe this.

[moneykube]

how much ram in it?

[satyr32]

16GB RAM. I just did a benchmark test with the new and the old. As expected the new one beats the old in every regards. Except the Memory Bandwith is a bit lower and AES encryption.

I really hope that either the next OSX update or the next Reason update can fix this. at the moment the best option i guess is to install Windows too and run Reason there. As other people stated it can double the performance.

[tiker01]

I am on Windows laptop but AFAIK turning retina for Reason helps.

[moneykube]

16GB RAM. I just did a benchmark test with the new and the old. As expected the new one beats the old in every regards. Except the Memory Bandwith is a bit lower and AES encryption.

I really hope that either the next OSX update or the next Reason update can fix this. at the moment the best option i guess is to install Windows too and run Reason there. As other people stated it can double the performance.

that is strange... could be the newer os,s.... I'm running mid 2012... i6gb ram, 2,6ghz intel core i7 os10.8.5 works ok for me...
yours "should" be .3 times faster

[jivemaster]

For those having performance issues, have you tried running reason with "Open in Low Resolution" mode? (right click Reason icon > Get Info > tick Open in Low Resolution mode). Reason has had some performance issues since retina resolutions were introduced. My Mac Pro 2013 (trashcan) suffered from bad performance until I enabled this setting (I run it on a 4K monitor). After the setting is enabled performance is solid.

[tumar]

today i got the MBP 2016 15" i7 2.9Ghz (Radeon 460). i was and i am and i will still be shocked how bad the performance is. before i had a mid 2014 macbook pro with 2.2Ghz i7 and it performs better than the new one. I AM ANGRY AND SCHOCKED. i tried other audio software like Reaktor 5, and the new macbook performs better about 10 to 15%, exactly what i expected and what it should do. So the bad audio performance is only related to Reason altough i also heard of problems with Logic.
The bad performance in Reason might be because it uses only single core and altough the new processors are overall better if they use more than one core, maybe the single cores perform worse.
oh dear, i am angry. i cannot believe this.

I just bought Macbook Pro i7 2.2 ghz 15" (2015), previously I used ancient Macbook C2D from 2008. Newer one is faster, but performance jump isn't big as it should result from C2D vs. i7 difference. It's only Reason problem. Studio One and Ableton Live works like a charm (Ableton Live allows me to get buffer size as low as 27 samples and non-existent latency with live stage projects).
Problem lies also with Rack Extensions and their poor CPU performance. It was shocking, when I jump from Reason-Predator project (110% CPU, latency and crackles) to very similar Studio One-NI Massive-NI Guitar Rig project (about 30% CPU).

But... and it doesn't make any sense - famous Kategra's R8 stress file works better on MB Pro i7 2.2 (40 s.) than faster iMac i7 3.5 ghz (36 s)!

P.S don't give such importance to benchmarks. Usually benchmarks results has nothing to do with reality.

[satyr32]

yep. the older 2.2 i7 performs better than the new 2.7 or 2.9 Ghz @ the R8 stress test song. Even though they have both 16GM RAM the RAM that comes with the 2.2 is faster. 2.2 has 13.75 nanoseconds latency and 2.9 has 15 nanoseconds latency.

[miscend]

Are you running Sierra on both?

[Marco Raaphorst]

yep. the older 2.2 i7 performs better than the new 2.7 or 2.9 Ghz @ the R8 stress test song. Even though they have both 16GM RAM the RAM that comes with the 2.2 is faster. 2.2 has 13.75 nanoseconds latency and 2.9 has 15 nanoseconds latency.

different grafic cards?

this is really weird. have you notified Props support?

[Surfeast]

Best Macbook Pro was the ones with the Nvidia Cards and 16gbs of ram with ssd. Graphic cards do make a difference and those were unique because the had both Intel and Nvidia graphics like this spec This model has the NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2GB GDDR5 Video Card and the integrated Intel Iris 5200 Pro Graphics Apple ME874LL/A

[satyr32]

yeah i should contact the Props. I think the combination of the used CPU and used RAM is the culprit. It might be just a not so good setting for Reason.
(I do not think that the graphic card is the culprit, the 2.2 has only the Intel Iris Pro and the 2.9 has a Radeon Pro 460 which is by far a better graphic card)
and yeah i run the test on both the newest Reason and newst Sierra OS.

[Marco Raaphorst]

Best Macbook Pro was the ones with the Nvidia Cards and 16gbs of ram with ssd. Graphic cards do make a difference and those were unique because the had both Intel and Nvidia graphics like this spec This model has the NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2GB GDDR5 Video Card and the integrated Intel Iris 5200 Pro Graphics Apple ME874LL/A

Why are the Nvidia Cards better than the more modern graphic models? My MBPro has a NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M (2 gig GPU) & Intel Iris Pro (1.5 GPU build-in).

[jivemaster]

I don't believe Reason supports GPU hardware acceleration, so a graphic card would not make a difference to performance in that regard.

This may be the reason why running the application in low-res mode vastly improves performance.

[sumusik]

I don't know if it's related, but I just updated Reason to the latest version a few days ago (from 9.1 to 9.2) and started getting a not enough memory/performance low, etc, whereas I never got that message before... ever. I'm thinking there might be some kind of resource hog with the latest build. Hopefully it's something they can fix.

[kuhliloach]

I agree with the posters here who are describing how Apple is destroying their professional Mac platform. With people like Tim Cook as CEO Apple is likely going to continue destroying every product they make. Windows 10's bloat factor seems like it presents Apple with an opportunity to crush Windows. Is Apple taking advantage of this opportunity -- this uncomfortable Window in time where professionals are questioning whether Win 10 is a properly optimized OS that's best for their needs -- no. Apple is busy messing up their hardware and OS's. To seal the deal and finish destroying Apple all Tim Cook has to do now is remove the headphone jack from the iPad.

[plaamook]

I agree with the posters here who are describing how Apple is destroying their professional Mac platform. With people like Tim Cook as CEO Apple is likely going to continue destroying every product they make. Windows 10's bloat factor seems like it presents Apple with an opportunity to crush Windows. Is Apple taking advantage of this opportunity -- this uncomfortable Window in time where professionals are questioning whether Win 10 is a properly optimized OS that's best for their needs -- no. Apple is busy messing up their hardware and OS's. To seal the deal and finish destroying Apple all Tim Cook has to do now is remove the headphone jack from the iPad.

Oh come on, headphone jacks are so last year dude. Ports in general are. Lets be honest, when was the last time anyone here actually needed to plug anything into their computer?

[dvdrtldg]

Oh come on, headphone jacks are so last year dude. Ports in general are. Lets be honest, when was the last time anyone here actually needed to plug anything into their computer?