The old PUF Forum Threads

[joeyluck]

It really was a very shady thing to do imo. Should've given people the option to at least download any threads started by themselves before destroying.

They did give a heads up though and suggested we do just that. And I don't believe anything was destroyed...

[Creativemind]

It was a shame they didn't allow the downloading of your own threads as read-only for your own viewing purposes.

They gave us a heads up to do just that and I saved some of mine

Oh sorry, I didn't read this post.

Did they? then I wasn't sure how to do it or did you have to do it via a non puf method?

I can't recall anything to download threads if I remember rightly, not on the site. I have been known to be wrong though lol!

Do you know why the forum was closed, too much batch' and whinging I guess.

[joeyluck]

It was a shame they didn't allow the downloading of your own threads as read-only for your own viewing purposes.

They gave us a heads up to do just that and I saved some of mine

Oh sorry, I didn't read this post.

Did they? then I wasn't sure how to do it or did you have to do it via a non puf method?

I can't recall anything to download threads if I remember rightly, not on the site. I have been known to be wrong though lol!

Do you know why the forum was closed, too much batch' and whinging I guess.

I just saved a few as PDF's.

Moderating and managing a forum requires time from several people...

[househoppin09]

No, there's more to it than that. They could easily have left the forums up in read-only mode or allowed registered users to continue to have read access to their own posts. It wouldn't have required any ongoing maintenance or any difficult setup work, and the only downside for them would have been a mild ongoing bandwidth drain that would surely pale in comparison to the much larger bandwidth demands on the main site. And if there were any remaining doubt, the fact that they've now gone way out of their way to block the bits and pieces of the PUF that were accessible via the Wayback Machine (almost certainly in response to this very thread) proves that there's some kind of directive coming from high up in the company on this. It's now clear that they didn't just close the forums because they were unwilling to continue maintaining them--the very fact that they ever existed is at odds with someone's vision of the company, and the goal at this point is clearly to flush all traces of the PUF down the internet memory hole as thoroughly as possible. Props are obviously entitled to do this as it's their own property, but it's extremely disappointing and has me seriously worried about how the corporate culture there may be changing. They never would have pulled these kinds of shenanigans back in the day.

[Gorgon]

Well, thanks to this thread, the props have now not only killed that link, but blocked all access to the PUF archives in the Wayback Machine. Mission accomplished, I guess...

Like I said. Assholes.

[HepCat]

It's not as if The Baron off Tim Tyler / Tim Thaler is working behind the scenes being creepy about permanently robbing young males of their smiles, though it does seem so.

OSes change, APIs change, software iterations change, and so l think the old PUF will lose relevance just like posts from 2013, 2014, etc. on any other forums.

If somebody were to read a read-only thread from 2013 and think "hey, what, this doesn't work ... wtf" (because it's either incorrect and / or for an older version of Reason) then people would see Propellerheads in a bad way because it's their forum after all. Moreover, there will be no feedback if the forum is read-only, just a load of people walking away having read an incorrect / outdated post, and thinking "wtf". I would assume that's why they tried to get rid of PUF completely.

As for the Propellerheads likely not giving up their seats for old ladies on the bus, they have designated seats where they have absolute priority, you don't need to do anything extra. I watch the elderly, and inwardly wonder at how the hunter becomes hunted, it's only a matter of time for each of us, no seat swapping horseplay will save us. Have a nice day!

(I guess what l'm trying to say is: yes it's polite and human to give up your seat for one more needy, but when it becomes a tool to bash someone with, and when it becomes an opening for a politically incorrect rant, filmed and uploaded to social media, is when the thin veneer of society crumbles away and we revert to being animals taking swings at each other under any silly pretext, so long as we can get away with it then it's "okay" wtf)

[Gorgon]

It's not as if The Baron off Tim Tyler / Tim Thaler is working behind the scenes being creepy about permanently robbing young males of their smiles, though it does seem so.

OSes change, APIs change, software iterations change, and so l think the old PUF will lose relevance just like posts from 2013, 2014, etc. on any other forums.

If somebody were to read a read-only thread from 2013 and think "hey, what, this doesn't work ... wtf" (because it's either incorrect and / or for an older version of Reason) then people would see Propellerheads in a bad way because it's their forum after all. Moreover, there will be no feedback if the forum is read-only, just a load of people walking away having read an incorrect / outdated post, and thinking "wtf". I would assume that's why they tried to get rid of PUF completely.

As for the Propellerheads likely not giving up their seats for old ladies on the bus, the infirm have designated seats where they have absolute priority, you don't need to do anything extra. I watch the elderly, and inwardly wonder at how the hunter becomes hunted, it's only a matter of time for each of us, no seat swapping horseplay will save us. Have a nice day!

This is such crap. 99% of what was in that forum is still relevant today. It was a compendium of knowledge not only about Reason but about audio engineering and computer synths/sampling in general. Not to mention invaluable philosophy. (ok that was a joke).

But anyway, it's a ton of knowledge destroyed, DENIED by those bastards from PH even from the waybackmachine. That is just evil. Evil, inconsiderate, selfish, and pretty much count.

[Bonkhead]

Well, thanks to this thread, the props have now not only killed that link, but blocked all access to the PUF archives in the Wayback Machine. Mission accomplished, I guess...

Like I said. Assholes.

You clearly have a vast different experience and attitude then me, I can log in and read-only a lot of the old forum, I don't know if it's because I'm also a dev, but I can. So no knowledge is deleted afaik. Log in and try these links, then it would be appreciated to apologize for your plentysome insults imho.

general forum - https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/for ... ay.php?f=3
music forum - https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/for ... ay.php?f=4
phead user forum - https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/for ... ay.php?f=6
feature suggestion - https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/for ... ay.php?f=7
mobile apps - https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/for ... y.php?f=22

I left out what wasn't publicly/user accessable back in the day.

[Gardinski]

It must just be you, Bonkhead. I just tried two or three of your links, and all I'm getting is a message saying:

"THE FORUMS ARE CLOSED.
Thanks for stopping by! The Propellerhead public forums are now closed, but there are plenty of channels where you can talk to Propellerhead or other users:..." (etc)

[joeyluck]

AFAIK nothing is deleted. But at the same time, there was so much crap to sift through. Even when there is good information available, people still rehash it anyways by creating new threads. Rarely would anybody visit another thread that was relevant to what they wanted to post about. People have to chime in to make the same points and explain again how they do things. We even see some of that here (as with all forums), but certainly not as bad. And sometimes it's good to revisit things fresh with different dialog. We do our best to keep things organized here and merge topics when necessary, point members to other threads, etc.

To me, the best purpose the PUF serves at this point is reminiscing. I saved a few threads myself when they gave us the heads up.
And honestly, if it isn't something that hasn't been mentioned here within the two years ReasonTalk has been in place, it's probably not that important or it has been covered.

[FlowerSoldier]

I'll be frank. I never used the PUF because I pirated 5.0 untill 2013...not proud of that.

But, as far as I am concerned, ReasonTalk, is the new reigning chamipion Propellerhead User Forum.

[Noplan]

I don't like to repeat myself but...

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[4filegate]

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[Karim]

[HepCat]

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Lol wtf haha

This is such crap. 99% of what was in that forum is still relevant today. It was a compendium of knowledge not only about Reason but about audio engineering and computer synths/sampling in general.

More like 50-90% (not everything was even about Props software), and whether relevant or not, there's also likely to be incorrect info here and there that went unnoticed.

So, the small-ish and ever increasing amount of outdated info + any incorrect info ... would be there forever, and the incorrect stuff will never be corrected - if the PUF were allowed to remain read-only.

I explained this in my comment

The real issue here is, why were the forums closed, that seems silly to me. Another thing, l'm sometimes afraid to make a suggestion on this site, because Props will ignore it, and another DAW will steal it. LOL. So, yeah, they are assholes but not for the reasons you gave.

[Karim]

I miss so much the long Selig disquisitions accompanied by precious documentations and some combinator here and there.
Fortunately Selig and many other illustrious minds they are still giving knowledge to no end and slowly the topics (I love very much mixing, mastering and synthesis in general) fortunately are covered the most .
it was still a shock the closure of that forum. but latelywe watched disputes and flames of any kind and .
A general dissatisfaction (I think the climax was reached when he came out reason ... 8) Propellerheads perhaps wanted to avoid poor figures and do not give voice to speculations.. Who knows ...

[4filegate]

The real issue here is, why were the forums closed, that seems silly to me. Another thing, l'm sometimes afraid to make a suggestion on this site, because Props will ignore it, and another DAW will steal it.

[Karim]

The real issue here is, why were the forums closed, that seems silly to me. Another thing, l'm sometimes afraid to make a suggestion on this site, because Props will ignore it, and another DAW will steal it.

I think the "other Daws" have already implemented all they had to implement.
Reason slightly comes a little 'later (such as voice processing à la Melodyne).
However Props go slow but realize well and solidity.
Some envy our players in Reason 9 However

[Gorgon]

AFAIK nothing is deleted. But at the same time, there was so much crap to sift through. Even when there is good information available, people still rehash it anyways by creating new threads. Rarely would anybody visit another thread that was relevant to what they wanted to post about. People have to chime in to make the same points and explain again how they do things. We even see some of that here (as with all forums), but certainly not as bad. And sometimes it's good to revisit things fresh with different dialog. We do our best to keep things organized here and merge topics when necessary, point members to other threads, etc.

To me, the best purpose the PUF serves at this point is reminiscing. I saved a few threads myself when they gave us the heads up.
And honestly, if it isn't something that hasn't been mentioned here within the two years ReasonTalk has been in place, it's probably not that important or it has been covered.

The fact that they closed the PUF isn't really the issue here. The real issue is that they made it inaccessible from even the wayback machine. That is just evil, plain and simple.

[HepCat]

The fact that they closed the PUF isn't really the issue here. The real issue is that they made it inaccessible from even the wayback machine. That is just evil, plain and simple.

That is very evil now you mention it. No idea why they'd do that, going to such lengths.

[Creativemind]

I think some people did a crawl though the forum and did their personal backup. But yeah, the actual PUF is at least not accessible anymore. If the Props actually deleted the db - who knows. They do use the forum software for RE developers still.

How did they back up though. I remember at the time not knowing how to do it so gone forever.

[normen]

I think some people did a crawl though the forum and did their personal backup. But yeah, the actual PUF is at least not accessible anymore. If the Props actually deleted the db - who knows. They do use the forum software for RE developers still.

How did they back up though. I remember at the time not knowing how to do it so gone forever.

Theres software called "crawlers" which basically click every link on a page and then every link on the linked pages and so on and then download every page they find this way (and thats on the same server).

[Creativemind]

There were real gems in there, a whole thread about free Reaktor synths (maybe that was something they didn't particularly like), all kinds of tutorials and howto's, even some guy making a calculator out of the 512 Vocoder and CV signals. All gone, everything. The person who decided to kill off the forum entirely is probably an extremely spiteful person who doesn't stand up for old ladies on the bus.

Yes, at least tutorial threads should have been made available as read only somewhere on their site as that's only a plus for people to gain knowledge of Reason.

[HepCat]

The real issue here is, why were the forums closed, that seems silly to me. Another thing, l'm sometimes afraid to make a suggestion on this site, because Props will ignore it, and another DAW will steal it.

Reverse IP lookup? Sneaky :-S

I'm not really bothered at the things i whinge about btw, just whinging on a rainy day.

[4filegate]

Reverse IP lookup? Sneaky :-S
I'm not really bothered at the things i whinge about btw, just whinging on a rainy day.

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