Guitar Sims and Reason

[reasonhead]

hi there Reason community,

this is my first post on this forum and i joined you due to the sad news about Line6 amps. I am guitar player and a proud Reason user since version 3.
As a guitarist i LOVED Reason after version 6 for the obvious ''reasons''...and i am familiar with Line6 products since 2001..so the PH and Line6 merge it totally blew my mind some years ago! With the uncertain departure of Line 6 we have just only two amp sims left for Reason and that is sad for me because Softube and Kuassa sims are good but they do not cover the whole guitar genre and Kussa is the only one with some serious editing.They both sound good but on the other hand Line6 has a serious fanbase tone library and guitarist community.
Nowadays they are TONS of guitar/bass sims and i wish i could see more amps in RE.The dream scenario for me is a Positive Grid RE!!!! PLS!!!!

[Benedict]

It is always sad to see a Dev leave but that does leave some space for other contenders.

Personally I didn't use Line 6 much but I get the feeling that I would have used them more than the Softube stuff, which I find limited.

Where do you stand on Scream as I do use that quite a bit and am generally pleased with results - on synths mind you,

[Dante]

Im getting some fantastic work done with the combination of A-List Guitarists and Kuassa Vermillion, better than what I was getting using the Line 6 stuff. Of course its always better to have both options, but if line6 go from the reason rack it wouldnt phase me much - having the Kuassa Amps are pretty much on par with the older softube amps on Scope DSP (although the latter wont run @96KHz).

[SA Studio]

I would never want to be made to make a Blues guitar take or recording with the Line 6. No way.

But at the same time, I'd never reach for the Softube Amp or either Kuassa device if I was looking for totally clean, 80's Pop Guitar or if I was working with acoustic/electric guitars. Those two reasons alone, for me, are why I appreciate the Line 6'er in Reason.

But wow.....doing Blues with the Line 6 as opposed to the Creme or Vermillion....ha....HAHAHHAHA. No way. The Kuassa's sound like much more organic tube amp's than that Line 6. Options are certainly wonderful.

[jfrichards]

I think this thread would be a good place for the R7 and R8 guitarists to work on getting the various Line 6 tones that people have been used to over the years. Please post little clips via Soundcloud, Allihoopa, DropBox, etc. of the exact tones you will miss, and we, collectively, can work out and offer methods with what we have now. I know that one obvious "trick" to get tones closer to Line6 is to immediately set up a Low Pass Filter at around 4.5K. I'm sure guitarists will greatly appreciate any patches for Vermillion, Creme, Softube, Scream, RV7000 Convolution, etc. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

[reasonhead]

as i stated above i like both Softube and Kuassa amps but i feel so limited in comparison with an synth guy who has tons of options on the RE shop..
i think that PH has to make a new merge with a guitar specialist company so we guitarists can have our any tone anytime. Positive Grid BIAS , Brainworx , LePou , TSE Audio , and the list goes on...there are TONS of good quality plugins and (which is very important), they have a huge database/library fan/artist community...OR Line6 can have their own RE amp devices which they can load any Pod Farm created tone...OR or a real time VST host device for Reason 9 could solve the problem.

[Iapetus 9]

If I'm using a sim in Reason, which is rare, it's the Amplitude Fender Standalone. It records just fine into Reason with very little latency. There are simply way too many options for guitarists, both hardware and soft, to complain about the loss of the crap stock Line 6 devices...unless you're a fan of em. This kind of thing happens all the time in VST land.

[SymphonicDischord]

Honestly, all though the L6 plugins weren't terrible, I still found them to be pretty meh overall and the SoftTube and Kuassa offerings were kinda like "6 of one, half dozen of the other." External hardware and re-amping has been the way to go for me. Either with my Helix, Elevenrack or straight into one of my amps, it's well worth the extra effort for a superior tone, at least in my opinion.

[jfrichards]

The Revival rack extension contains a wide variety of guitar amps, cabinets and effects, all excellent. It is probably the best substitution and expansion of the Line6 device. Plus the wah is great.

[JiggeryPokery]

I would never want to be made to make a Blues guitar take or recording with the Line 6. No way.

But at the same time, I'd never reach for the Softube Amp or either Kuassa device if I was looking for totally clean, 80's Pop Guitar or if I was working with acoustic/electric guitars. Those two reasons alone, for me, are why I appreciate the Line 6'er in Reason.

But wow.....doing Blues with the Line 6 as opposed to the Creme or Vermillion....ha....HAHAHHAHA. No way. The Kuassa's sound like much more organic tube amp's than that Line 6. Options are certainly wonderful.

I've done plenty of blues work with PF, and considering one of Kuassa's is a high gain designed for metal and hard rock, I doubt you'll be reaching for that for classic blues either, so I think you're being a tad disingenuous on that point.

But you're right options are wonderful, and frankly PH are leaving users with none, other than not upgrading or leaving R7/8 installed.

Despite my best efforts in the past year to migrate I loathe the Softube Amps. They are a woeful, limited, put-together-in-an-afternoon-from-whatever-stock-code-they-had-lying-around-on-the-server-that-worked-in-Reason, shameful substitute for the full PodFarm amp/cab choice in Reason on every level.

Reason without Line6 will be similar to Ford motors. Any amp you like, so long as it's one of the same five "classics" that everyone else does. The Kuassa's don't really fit my work, tonally, at all, but at least I appreciate them on a design and tweaking level. I'm aware some say they have aliasing issues but in the end I've barely used them.

You want to do blues? Nothing else in Reason beats the 68 Plexi Variac and 60 Gibtone Expo, two favourites of mine; not scratchy like, say, L6s horrendous default "Blackface" Fender, and or just dull like the 68 Plexi 100, or the fifty-shades of brown, untweakable turgidness of that Softube Amp device.

It's all subjective, of course! But jeez, removing PF still pisses me the hell off.

[SA Studio]

I would never want to be made to make a Blues guitar take or recording with the Line 6. No way.

But at the same time, I'd never reach for the Softube Amp or either Kuassa device if I was looking for totally clean, 80's Pop Guitar or if I was working with acoustic/electric guitars. Those two reasons alone, for me, are why I appreciate the Line 6'er in Reason.

But wow.....doing Blues with the Line 6 as opposed to the Creme or Vermillion....ha....HAHAHHAHA. No way. The Kuassa's sound like much more organic tube amp's than that Line 6. Options are certainly wonderful.

I've done plenty of blues work with PF, and considering one of Kuassa's is a high gain designed for metal and hard rock, I doubt you'll be reaching for that for classic blues either, so I think you're being a tad disingenuous on that point.

Disingenuous? Lol...no. I mean that very clearly. IMO, The Line 6 device is simply not the best choice in the Reason world for doing Blues work.

The Kuassa's, and yes both of them, are better suited. Trust me, I can peel back their High-Gain amp to a suitable point for a convincing SRV-like sound before I could get any convincing "warmth" from the Line 6 device.

(EDIT: I actually prefer "Creme" which is their high-gain one for Blues and kind of just in-general. That's interesting...)

The Line 6 will always sound more like an angry wasp in an empty soda can before it sounds like a convincing Tube amp. In some situations, however, that's a good thing. Like when you simply want totally clean tone.

To me, the Line 6 device is very much more like a solid-state Roland Jazz Chorus and I approach and appreciate it as such. I hope they re-release it as a low-priced RE.

[kuhliloach]

I'd like Line 6 to make RE's with their best new amp code. Softube could give us some of that Marshall partnership goodness. Kuassa is most impressive as it seems they cannot make mistakes. Yonac and Positive Grid would be welcome RE devs.

[JiggeryPokery]

Disingenuous? Lol...no. I mean that very clearly. IMO, The Line 6 device is simply not the best choice in the Reason world for doing Blues work.

The Kuassa's, and yes both of them, are better suited. Trust me, I can peel back their High-Gain amp to a suitable point for a convincing SRV-like sound before I could get any convincing "warmth" from the Line 6 device.

(EDIT: I actually prefer "Creme" which is their high-gain one for Blues and kind of just in-general. That's interesting...)

The Line 6 will always sound more like an angry wasp in an empty soda can before it sounds like a convincing Tube amp. In some situations, however, that's a good thing. Like when you simply want totally clean tone.

To me, the Line 6 device is very much more like a solid-state Roland Jazz Chorus and I approach and appreciate it as such. I hope they re-release it as a low-priced RE.

Well, whatever sounds right at the time of recording/rendering is the correct choice.

Based on forum warriors, at least there is a growing consensus that Amp is rubbish, which is progress

I did a comparison of PF with other VSTs back on PUF. L6 didn't come out worst, but I concur with you in that it can tend towards being over-bright. I don't like their AC-30, for example. Angry wasp in an empty Tizer can is probably a fair description of that one.

Still, it's better than Guitar Rig, where they didn't even bother to empty the can first, and poor the bastard just drowned.

[zabukowski]

I really hope Line 6 devices will come back in RE format. IMHO Line 6 stuff was always very usable and well sitting in the mix, despite not so great sounding when listening isolated.

Softube guitar REs are pretty much dissapointing for me (i've expressed this few times on this forums). Way too much tweaking needed to get decent sound and still not something i am used to hear and like. I am not impressed with other available guitar REs as well. I guess i am spoiled ... now i am using Kemper and Scuffham S-Gear, which is IMO absolutely the best ampsim on the plugin market - especially feeling and response wise. Some time ago i was trying to "convince" Michael Scuffham to make at least one of its amps in RE format, but without success. I also own Revalver, TH-2, Guitar Rig + some Amplitube stuff as well, but i am using them very rarely.

Not that i am saying that you can't make music with any of these guitar REs - i use them sometimes as well, but still i feel guitarists deserve more of it inside Reason. Line 6 Reason devices are working nicely with my POD XT Live, offering me complete POD Farm stuff inside Reason.

This is strictly my opinion, based on my long term experience with real amps and ampsim plugins, being a session/live guitarist for more than 30 years.

Cheers,
Franci

[pedrocaetanos]

I think this thread would be a good place for the R7 and R8 guitarists to work on getting the various Line 6 tones that people have been used to over the years. Please post little clips via Soundcloud, Allihoopa, DropBox, etc. of the exact tones you will miss, and we, collectively, can work out and offer methods with what we have now. I know that one obvious "trick" to get tones closer to Line6 is to immediately set up a Low Pass Filter at around 4.5K. I'm sure guitarists will greatly appreciate any patches for Vermillion, Creme, Softube, Scream, RV7000 Convolution, etc. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

This is one of those posts that make us wish we had thumbs up.

[gak]

Again (see other thread about line 6) there are fundamental flaws in reason "amp sims" and that includes using "rosen" or other cab sims (latency and not being compensated for)

Some of my original recordings with guitar amp sims are quite good. But seems as versions of 8 have gone by, it's gotten harder.

My wish for the future (cuz, I'm all about reason fo' life yo'! ) is that they fix any/all latency/compensation issues, and some good peeps (new or old) step up to the plate and deliver quality amp-sim goodness!

BTW, I have MUCH LESS of a problem with bass FWIW. The softube (sans cab, much better w/o that) or the Cerebrus, or even loading epifini cabs into the new convo, much better than guitar stuff!!!!!!!!! seriously............)