How to tune kicks in Reason?

[Gorilla Texas]

Right now FL 12 is buggy as hell and studio one has noway of detecting pitch unless you use melodyne which the tools are mostly for vocals in a grid. So this brings me back to Reason's sequencer which I have medium knowledge of because i never use it. I dragged a kick wav on an audio track to take advantage of the tune tool hit play but no tuning info showed up. Is there some routing that needs to be done or does the tune tool only work for input signals?

[normen]

http://www.reasontalk.com/post/how-to-t ... on-7421402

Usually I just use a reference sound, e.g. a tuning fork though

[Gorilla Texas]

http://www.reasontalk.com/post/how-to-t ... on-7421402

Usually I just use a reference sound, e.g. a tuning fork though

Thats too much work in that thread. How do you accurately read neptunes display showing you the current key without correction? My first time using it,it jumps around from key to key. I need to know exactly what key my kicks are in.  

[normen]

http://www.reasontalk.com/post/how-to-t ... on-7421402

Usually I just use a reference sound, e.g. a tuning fork though

Thats too much work in that thread. How do you accurately read neptunes display showing you the current key without correction? My first time using it,it jumps around from key to key. I need to know exactly what key my kicks are in.  

Least work is to ask somebody who can hear pitch.

[Kenni]

I usually transpose the kick 1 or 2 octaves up. That way its easier to hear its tone, and then adjust with the semi and fine controls, using the rest of the arrangement as reference

Edit: I do use NN19 or NNXT for kicks though.

[Gorilla Texas]

http://www.reasontalk.com/post/how-to-t ... on-7421402

Usually I just use a reference sound, e.g. a tuning fork though

Thats too much work in that thread. How do you accurately read neptunes display showing you the current key without correction? My first time using it,it jumps around from key to key. I need to know exactly what key my kicks are in.  

Least work is to ask somebody who can hear pitch.

You use to help without being a smart azz what happened to you?

Everybody aint like you that's why they make pitch detection plugins. Thanks anyway

[Gorilla Texas]

I usually transpose the kick 1 or 2 octaves up. That way its easier to hear its tone, and then adjust with the semi and fine controls, using the rest of the arrangement as reference

Edit: I do use NN19 or NNXT for kicks though.

I'm not at home but if I remember the nnxt automatically puts samples at middle c,what if it was recorded on "A" key what do you do to find the right key if you don't know what the original key was. In FL I can use Edison but FL keeps crashing when I try to do it,I've already let image line know about it.

[Gorilla Texas]

The spectrum analyser resolution isn't really good enough to use accurately this way imo.

[submonsterz]

I just tune by ear and yes Neptune is crapo and tuning is not totally accurate on the spectrum analyser .
I never pitch as an exact I don't usually like it when they tuned to perfection to the rest I like using my ears to make it fit and how I like it in my stuff . I also find its quicker that way and I all ways like them better how I tune them exactly how I want them .
but that does not help you with your question so id say in reason I`m afraid id say the spectrum analyser and frequency to midi note method going to be your best bet for now :frown: .
but that's just my opinion .

[Kenni]

I usually transpose the kick 1 or 2 octaves up. That way its easier to hear its tone, and then adjust with the semi and fine controls, using the rest of the arrangement as reference

Edit: I do use NN19 or NNXT for kicks though.

I'm not at home but if I remember the nnxt automatically puts samples at middle c,what if it was recorded on "A" key what do you do to find the right key if you don't know what the original key was. In FL I can use Edison but FL keeps crashing when I try to do it,I've already let image line know about it.

You can put the sample you load into NNXT/NN19 on the key of choice. The key represented by your keyboard doesn't really change much in that respect.

When you load a sample into an empty NNXT/NN19, it's original pitch is on C3. If you use my example from earlier (use the octave knob to raise the sample 2 octaves), you will be able to hear the kicks current tone even though it's not a strong side of yours.

If you need help, join the chat on the link below and I'll help you out.

https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?chann ... rc.rc6.org

[Gorilla Texas]

I just tune by ear and yes Neptune is crapo and tuning is not totally accurate on the spectrum analyser .
I never pitch as an exact I don't usually like it when they tuned to perfection to the rest I like using my ears to make it fit and how I like it in my stuff . I also find its quicker that way and I all ways like them better how I tune them exactly how I want them .
but that does not help you with your question so id say in reason I`m afraid id say the spectrum analyser and frequency to midi note method going to be your best bet for now :frown: .
but that's just my opinion .

OK thanks for the reply!

[Gorilla Texas]

I usually transpose the kick 1 or 2 octaves up. That way its easier to hear its tone, and then adjust with the semi and fine controls, using the rest of the arrangement as reference

Edit: I do use NN19 or NNXT for kicks though.

I'm not at home but if I remember the nnxt automatically puts samples at middle c,what if it was recorded on "A" key what do you do to find the right key if you don't know what the original key was. In FL I can use Edison but FL keeps crashing when I try to do it,I've already let image line know about it.

You can put the sample you load into NNXT/NN19 on the key of choice. The key represented by your keyboard doesn't really change much in that respect.

When you load a sample into an empty NNXT/NN19, it's original pitch is on C3. If you use my example from earlier (use the octave knob to raise the sample 2 octaves), you will be able to hear the kicks current tone even though it's not a strong side of yours.

If you need help, join the chat on the link below and I'll help you out.

https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?chann ... rc.rc6.org

OK thanks for helping.

[djfm1983]

You could try loading your kick sample into the nnxt, right click and select "set root note by pitch detection". It might work. I myself just buy tuned kicks. Loopmasters.com and sounds.beatpot.com have lots of tuned kick sample packs that are worth the money.

[Gorilla Texas]

You could try loading your kick sample into the nnxt, right click and select "set root note by pitch detection". It might work. I myself just buy tuned kicks. Loopmasters.com and sounds.beatpot.com have lots of tuned kick sample packs that are worth the money.

Good looking out will check them out.

[Gaja]

Another possibility to create a tuned bass drum would be to use a synth and a click sound and combine these. The synth would probably be a sine wave wih short amp attack and no sustain, adjust decay and release to your liking. The click sound could be a rimshot sample or a short burst of noise, or a bass drum sample with good attack - make sure though to use a highpass filter to get rid of a good part of the lows of a bass drum sample. I found it helps greatly to compress these two to sort of glue them together. This way you can create a tuned bass drum, but it does require some practice to get it just right.

[Gorilla Texas]

You could try loading your kick sample into the nnxt, right click and select "set root note by pitch detection". It might work. I myself just buy tuned kicks. Loopmasters.com and sounds.beatpot.com have lots of tuned kick sample packs that are worth the money.

Yo that's what's up can't believe old rusty nnxt got pitch detection lol. Checking it out now thanks! 

[EddieG]

https://youtu.be/4mI6oTHlJcI

This is what I do
OR use a  DROcto Rex NNXT or something to match the note you are looking for



Here's the chart

http://subsynth.sourceforge.net/midinote2freq.html

[Gorilla Texas]

https://youtu.be/4mI6oTHlJcI

This is what I do
OR use a  DROcto Rex NNXT or something to match the note you are looking for



Here's the chart

http://subsynth.sourceforge.net/midinote2freq.html

I don't know if you read the whole thread but the easiest way to find what pitch/key your kicks are in is by using the pitch detection in the nnxt.

[nooomy]

https://youtu.be/4mI6oTHlJcI

This is what I do
OR use a  DROcto Rex NNXT or something to match the note you are looking for



Here's the chart

http://subsynth.sourceforge.net/midinote2freq.html

I don't know if you read the whole thread but the easiest way to find what pitch/key your kicks are in is by using the pitch detection in the nnxt.

I tried it and it only work sometimes and it not very accurate

[submonsterz]

https://youtu.be/4mI6oTHlJcI

This is what I do
OR use a  DROcto Rex NNXT or something to match the note you are looking for



Here's the chart

http://subsynth.sourceforge.net/midinote2freq.html

I don't know if you read the whole thread but the easiest way to find what pitch/key your kicks are in is by using the pitch detection in the nnxt.

I tried it and it only work sometimes and it not very accurate

you are totally correct nnxt does not all ways find the key.

[Gaja]

https://youtu.be/4mI6oTHlJcI

This is what I do
OR use a  DROcto Rex NNXT or something to match the note you are looking for



Here's the chart

http://subsynth.sourceforge.net/midinote2freq.html

I don't know if you read the whole thread but the easiest way to find what pitch/key your kicks are in is by using the pitch detection in the nnxt.

I tried it and it only work sometimes and it not very accurate

you are totally correct nnxt does not all ways find the key.

Especially with a kick drum sound that bends pitch.

[Gorilla Texas]

https://youtu.be/4mI6oTHlJcI

This is what I do
OR use a  DROcto Rex NNXT or something to match the note you are looking for



Here's the chart

http://subsynth.sourceforge.net/midinote2freq.html

I don't know if you read the whole thread but the easiest way to find what pitch/key your kicks are in is by using the pitch detection in the nnxt.

I tried it and it only work sometimes and it not very accurate

It doesn't seem accurate for higher frequencies when I tried pitch detection on a snare. But for all my sub kicks it was pretty dead on but I will double check when image line fix the bug in edison. My method for checking was using the tool window to play the sample up against the key that was detected by the nnxt,all of the kicks matched. This might not be as scientific as using an spectrum analyzer but then again the one in Reason doesn't have enough resolution to properly gauge all the bands imo.

[djfm1983]

Why not just buy tuned kick drum samples? I've bought allot from Loopmasters.com and sounds.beatport.com and they're not too expensive. I think they range from 9-20$ and they usually come with 100 kick samples.

[apostlethirteen]

I would like a real solution to tuning drums, using neptune creates latency.

[Miles Static]

I would like a real solution to tuning drums, using neptune creates latency.

I think the best way of tuning a drum sound like a kick is to drop it into Kong and use the pitch knob to manually adjust the pitch (up or down) until you get it right where you want it.