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[EnochLight]

I don't know if the costs associated with Props old forum cost nothing, but running this forum in its current state is bound to rack up some charges.  It allows you to upload photos, with seemingly no file size limit (Prop's old forum had a very small limit in size for attachments).  

Depending on the traffic and size of attachments, fees can start to climb for whoever is paying to host it.  

[KEVMOVE02]

Okay, so here we are again. another thread proclaiming the doom of another company because they didn't heed the advice of the customers. Can't we please change the channel? 

[zakalwe]

how much space do you think discover takes up?

bandwidth is so cheap these days, it's not a good reason.

[avasopht]

The forum was toxic. Some people are happy with toxic environments but other people see them as pointless and worthy of destruction. It really is that simple My guess is that whoever made the call it not fond of pissing contents and other destructive behaviours.

[zakalwe]

right, because 15 years of reason tips, knowledge and so forth is worthless.  and the people who actually mattered who contributed to it.

i asked a question about dr octorex 4 hours ago.  that would have been answered in 4 minutes on PUF.

if you think this forum is going to be different then you're wrong.  all the personalities who lived in PUF and argued constantly are here, everyone else is staring at this:

https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/closed

[avasopht]

right, because 15 years of reason tips, knowledge and so forth is worthless.  and the people who actually mattered who contributed to it.

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it was not appreciated. Don't bite the hand that fed you. That doesn't mean you have to suck up to them, but people were behaving in a very juvenile way. It's why I never set up a forum. I have the servers, I can set up forums in my sleep and I could have added in technology myself to aid in activities, but I'm not going to waste my resources if it's just going to become an outlet for people who don't know how to interact with other human beings

That's just how I see it, and although it was a tough decision, it was a long time coming. The PUF had to go. Apparently they are digging up the useful threads between all the dirt and crud.

I've got some threads I've written, like when I detailed how Reason deals with feedback loops and how you can predict its behaviour. I would have liked to have had that available, but I understand that that forum had to go

[zakalwe]

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it was not appreciated. Don't bite the hand that fed you. That doesn't mean you have to suck up to them, but people were behaving in a very juvenile way. It's why I never set up a forum. I have the servers, I can set up forums in my sleep and I could have added in technology myself to aid in activities, but I'm not going to waste my resources if it's just going to become an outlet for people who don't know how to interact with other human beings

That's just how I see it, and although it was a tough decision, it was a long time coming. The PUF had to go. Apparently they are digging up the useful threads between all the dirt and crud.

I've got some threads I've written, like when I detailed how Reason deals with feedback loops and how you can predict its behaviour. I would have liked to have had that available, but I understand that that forum had to go

yeah well all those people just moved here. unless it's actually properly moderated then it'll all kick off again.  because it's the people who are the problem not the forum.  people have a love/hate relationship with this software, i've seen this behaviour many times.  when people have a good vent about the company and their disappointment then they'll be people who kick back against that and it goes round and round like some sort of propaganda war and the threads mount up and every time it dies down someone bumps it up again.

the solution is simple, ban the people, ban them slightly, then mightily.  not for their criticism or sycophancy but for their spamming and flaming and trolling etc.  it's why every other official DAW forum isn't full of complete sociopaths.

[Reason101]

I've got some threads I've written, like when I detailed how Reason deals with feedback loops and how you can predict its behaviour. I would have liked to have had that available, but I understand that that forum had to go

#4:
http://www.reason101.net/contributions/ ... ts-part-3/

Thanks for your contribution! :s0230:

[avasopht]

I've got some threads I've written, like when I detailed how Reason deals with feedback loops and how you can predict its behaviour. I would have liked to have had that available, but I understand that that forum had to go

#4:

http://www.reason101.net/contributions/ ... ts-part-3/

Thanks for your contribution! :s0230:

Yeah, I kept looking for it but couldn't find it. Awesome!

This is real community work at hand.

[Reason101]

I've got some threads I've written, like when I detailed how Reason deals with feedback loops and how you can predict its behaviour. I would have liked to have had that available, but I understand that that forum had to go

#4:

http://www.reason101.net/contributions/ ... ts-part-3/

Thanks for your contribution! :s0230:

Yeah, I kept looking for it but couldn't find it. Awesome!

This is 

real

community work at hand.

I should have organized it a bit better, but I was working under the clock. It's mostly just a copy/paste of what used to be part of the beloved Forum.

[Theo.M]

A more proper way to do analytics and statistics on customer satisfaction would be to take the widest possible channel that reaches the most people and THEN ask for feedback from a completely randomly selected group. For example, via users' registered e-mails or from within the app. That would give a much more fair representation on the user base since it would, in fact, BE the user base and not a select part of it that are active in a certain place.

It's also crucial how you ask these things. It's not really valuable with a poll that would say, for example, "Would you like tons more free stuff in an upgrade, but for a much lower price?". Who wouldn't say yes to that..?

well please DO do that Mattias! I am sure anyone would love to take a random survey to help improve Reason and let you guys know any other pos or neg feelings they may have.

By the way, I can imagine one of the questions will be "tell us how we can improve reason in the future".. and 90% of them will have the first word as "P D C". I am calling that one right now

[phasys]

It might cost practically nothing to host a forum, but to moderate one does (unless of course people do it for free).

it's quite usual to have regular mods who're unpaid volunteers on forums.  mostly they just have to lock threads when people are having their issues, move things that are in the wrong place, merge threads if people keep spamming new ones (a major issue on PUF) and so forth.  they have limited admin access typically.

Being the control freaks that they are, they didn't.

[Ninjadog]

It might cost practically nothing to host a forum, but to moderate one does (unless of course people do it for free).

it's quite usual to have regular mods who're unpaid volunteers on forums.  mostly they just have to lock threads when people are having their issues, move things that are in the wrong place, merge threads if people keep spamming new ones (a major issue on PUF) and so forth.  they have limited admin access typically.

Being the control freaks that they are, they didn't.

Kinda funny you mention that because they were control freaks in all aspects except for the forums. They should have let a few of the members who were there every day reading every post do a little moderation. But there must have been bigger problems or reasons than just a poorly moderated forum.

[craven]

While I'm almost over the closure of the forum, I still miss a good reason to visit the props site. I wish it would be more interesting there. So happy that ReasonTalk is this awesome place to cure my Reason news addiction. Well, cure is the wrong word here, obviously

[Jagwah]

http://www.nngroup.com/articles/partici ... nequality/

Add to the statistically higher likelihood of forum users being socially isolated and you immediately have a different demographic. Of course hard data is king and there are people here with hard data (that they don't share, but they have it).

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/un ... e-facebook

An Australian study examined personality differences between people with and without Facebook accounts (Ryan & Xenos, 2011).  People with an account were found to be more extraverted and narcissistic, whereas those without an account were found to be more conscientious and shyer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... steem.html

They all took psychology tests to measure their levels of narcissism, which the study defined as ‘a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and an exaggerated sense of self-importance’.

Now the simple fact that regular users of facebook differ greatly in their psychological profile than those do not should give indication that it may also be the case that there are different psychographic differences between forum users and non forum users. Those differences will influence their perspective and response and may not be representative of the general public, or in this case the general Reason user.

That's some really interesting stuff. Never heard of the 90-9-1 Rule, psychology is fascinating.

I must say you did prove your point and I now see a clear difference between the two. Thanks for taking the time to dig up those links and explain yourself.

[Iapetus 9]

They closed it because they didn't like what was being said about their new products and they found this the fastest way to shut everybody up, destroying a library with knowledge obviously wasn't something to consider. To talk about "resources" is ridiculous, running a forum costs practically nothing.

I like you around and not banned Phasys, but we'll have to disagree here. Toward the end of the PUF, it was the users there contributing absolutely nothing. The library of knowledge everyone talks about was long buried by these members to the point of negation. I collected from that library myself, and did so as it was published before it got crushed by stuff like- "Why does my Nexus soundz better than Subtractor this ReDrum suckorz" threads. Cheers!

[trimph1]

I've got some threads I've written, like when I detailed how Reason deals with feedback loops and how you can predict its behaviour. I would have liked to have had that available, but I understand that that forum had to go

#4:

http://www.reason101.net/contributions/ ... ts-part-3/

Thanks for your contribution! :s0230:

Yeah, I kept looking for it but couldn't find it. Awesome!

This is 

real

community work at hand.

I should have organized it a bit better, but I was working under the clock. It's mostly just a copy/paste of what used to be part of the beloved Forum.

Oh good!! this will help a lot because there were a lot of contributors there....

[Echo Project Studio]

Although, I don't miss the PUF all that much, I did run into something yesterday that made me reflect. Considering that I hit the location pretty regularly in the past, I also made it a habit to check for RE updates when passing through. Caught a note on a FB forum yesterday about a Parsec update. So, went to grab it. And, doing a sync all, found that a half dozen of my RE's had updates. Guess I'll have to run by the site every now and then just to keep up.