Yorick wrote:Are you kidding me Normen?
You're essentially saying Leo Fender designing guitars is no different from Jeff Beck, Satriani or whoever creating melodies on the guitar?
Creating a preset for an instrument is at best, making an instrument someone then creates music with.
Writing lyrics, melodies and hooks is very different to creating a synth preset. If I have to explain that to you this is a waste of time.
Well I am certain Mr. Satriani and Mr. Beck would strongly disagree with you as well and call a great guitar builder an artist (or better artisan) just as worthy as themselves. If I have to explain that to you then this is a waste of time I agree.
They're different art forms. I own Fenders. They're great guitars. But they are PHYSICAL creations. They're not intellectual property. The DESIGN of the guitar is intellectual property, but the guitar itself is physical, and it enables musical creations to be performed on it. This is not the same thing as being a musical composition.
A synth preset is not a song, nothing like a song. To even compare the two is like comparing Apples with The theory of relativity: One is a physical thing you eat. The other is an explanatory idea about a process. They're both awesome, but nothing alike.
Yorick wrote:And this is just crazy talk.
1. There's no requirement for the person who takes your lyric and vocal to give you any credit. You've signed off on any "moral rights" in the license. There's no fame. There's no money. That meaningful poem you wrote is free for Monsanto to use to promote poison. You honestly think kids, creative kids with hopes dreams, ideals and aspirations are cool with that scenario?
I think you're dreaming.
2.What data have you used to reach this conclusion about the current generation? You've polled them? You've gone around and questioned them about whether they're cool with the rich getting richer, and the poor staying poor? You've asked them whether it's cool if Paris Hilton gets all the money and credit for something they create? Or have you just decided that because you feel a particular way, because you don't give a rats arse about what you create, you "just feel" that the rest of the generation must feel it to? Is that' what's happening?
Because in all my years of living, I have never met anyone cool with being legally robbed. Never.
First of all, when I start a sentence with "I think" you have no right whatsoever to call that "crazy talk", I would have thought better of you and you just went down about 4 to 6 notches in my personal opinion of you. Yet I'll explain how I arrive at my opinion.
C'est la vie.
1) I said that if this melody or whatever you uploaded is the reason for the fame then you can use it and achieve the same. If you can't then its either not your content or you are not capable of making that money yourself which both disqualifies you at getting a share of that pie. Tons of comedians make money off having watched people at bars or just at walmart, you think all these people should get a share off the money as well?
Google Jacob's Ladder. Bruce Hornsby wrote the song. Huey Lewis covered it and had a hit with it. Hornsby made a lot of money from the songwriting royalties and later released his own version of it. But it was never as popular as the Lewis version. Copyright law meant that he saw his publishing money though.
With Discover, that scenario can't happen because you assign a license for the next person to do whatever they want with the material. There's no publishing split guaranteed. There's no protection in place and no right to be credited (part of the moral right). So how are you going to get your original idea noticed? Youtube? A few keywords?
It's "crazy talk" because it ignores precedents and the current music industry reality of oversaturation, and this very weird copyright/license issue.
Apologies for the offense caused. I'm not suggesting you're really insane. It's just a turn of phrase.
2) Again I said "I think" and I don't think that this deserves such a strong reaction from you. Anyway, just go to 4chan or youtube. All these memes that are on sites like themetapicture.com (which makes the money with them from the ads) are coming from somewhere. They are born from some guy posting a funny pic or a line, then others coming in and refining them until they are so good that they hit a spot with so many people that they keep reposting them on facebook. The people who invented the lines, did the photoshop work etc. don't get a dime but they are fine with doing it all over again and seeing their stuff being reposted and even made money with. Same with people posting vines on youtube that they sometimes invested a lot of time in.
And again, if you don't agree you don't have to post you music on Discover. Nobody "robs" you of anything, you agree to whats being done. I'm sure you have done (or have seen others who did) studio work and got paid your share of money just to see that the people who publish these pieces make a lot more money than you got. Did you get robbed? Is that unfair?
For an outwardly very christian guy you seem to be very much about the greed game. So we know you won't post any music on Discover and not collaborate with somebody openly because you're afraid you wouldn't get some virtually existing money that somebody potentially could make with what you create. And you complain about the "rich getting richer".. Could it be that this is just a bit of jealousy? Because those rich people getting richer certainly can't play guitar like you do but they play the greed game a lot better, they know how to make the money off something and that never comes from the core idea, melody or whatever.
There are principals other than seeking protection for my own art at stake.