Is the verdict in on figure? Reviews looking bloody...
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I decided I shouldn't be a hater and for ninety-nine cents it was worth doing some research. I clicked the reviews and it was a stream of 1 star reviews. The jist of them was:
"This was a great and fun program, now ruined by Props new discover service." People had a ton of issues of not being able to directly e-mail or export their work.
I was a bit shocked, since I figured that the app market would be pleased and it was only hardcore Reason DAW workhorse fans that were frustrated with Discover.
I haven't yet used figure, and I'll give it a try, but a string of 1 star reviews is going to keep others from getting on board, which seems the most likely intention of the props (i.e. bringing others to the Reason platform through the apps.)
While I disagree with the props current direction, I still wish them the best. I don't want this company to struggle, because I believe eventually they'll get back to focusing on what made them great. They need to stop the bleeding though, and quick!
I decided I shouldn't be a hater and for ninety-nine cents it was worth doing some research. I clicked the reviews and it was a stream of 1 star reviews. The jist of them was:
"This was a great and fun program, now ruined by Props new discover service." People had a ton of issues of not being able to directly e-mail or export their work.
I was a bit shocked, since I figured that the app market would be pleased and it was only hardcore Reason DAW workhorse fans that were frustrated with Discover.
I haven't yet used figure, and I'll give it a try, but a string of 1 star reviews is going to keep others from getting on board, which seems the most likely intention of the props (i.e. bringing others to the Reason platform through the apps.)
While I disagree with the props current direction, I still wish them the best. I don't want this company to struggle, because I believe eventually they'll get back to focusing on what made them great. They need to stop the bleeding though, and quick!
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Here's it's a stream of 4 and 5 star reviews, with an average of 4.5 stars.
Then again, the fucking localization on the appstore might have something to do with it. I see a lot of reviews in (crappy) Dutch...
I see no reason why Discover would have anything to do with a lower rating for Figure? It's not like it interferes with anything? Appstore reviews are largely stupid anyway.
Then again, the fucking localization on the appstore might have something to do with it. I see a lot of reviews in (crappy) Dutch...
I see no reason why Discover would have anything to do with a lower rating for Figure? It's not like it interferes with anything? Appstore reviews are largely stupid anyway.
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I'm not worrying about them struggling in the least. Since dropping Balance and focusing on software again, between doing that and RE's they're doing just smashing.
I don't use Figure much so I can't comment on it, but Take is awesome. A must-have if you're on 8.1, like being able to record anywhere and anytime, and are either A). a vocalist, or B). play any live instruments.
I don't use Figure much so I can't comment on it, but Take is awesome. A must-have if you're on 8.1, like being able to record anywhere and anytime, and are either A). a vocalist, or B). play any live instruments.
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Oh shit. I didn't realize that reviews varied by location. 9 of the 10 most recent reviews I saw were 1 star. The issue was that since the launch of discover, it's no longer possible to e-mail or otherwise export figure files without using discover. The one that wasn't 1 star was 4 stars, explaining how you could share a file unlisted and then e-mail the link to yourself to get around not being able to e-mail a file, stating that it's cumbersome but still possible. It seems it's a pretty serious issue for people.Exowildebeest wrote:Here's it's a stream of 4 and 5 star reviews, with an average of 4.5 stars.
Then again, the fucking localization on the appstore might have something to do with it. I see a lot of reviews in (crappy) Dutch...
I see no reason why Discover would have anything to do with a lower rating for Figure? It's not like it interferes with anything? Appstore reviews are largely stupid anyway.
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Figure is an excellent app to mess around on and get ideas. the only problem is the sounds are limited.
If you flick through Discover you will hear a ton of figure loops with the exact same sounds.
Gets quite tedious quickly.
If you flick through Discover you will hear a ton of figure loops with the exact same sounds.
Gets quite tedious quickly.
I have embraced Allihoopa. Come listen and play with my crap Figure loops here:
https://allihoopa.com/zeebot
They really are crap.
https://allihoopa.com/zeebot
They really are crap.
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That's simply not true. I just emailed one to a friend 3 minutes ago. Just hit Share then Email.JNeffLind wrote:...it's no longer possible to e-mail or otherwise export figure files without using discover. ...
JNeffLind wrote:...it's no longer possible to e-mail or otherwise export figure files without using discover. ...
Like I said, I haven't used it yet. Going to do my normal day's work first, then maybe play with it tonight. Just relaying what is contained in the reviews I saw. A few possibilities perhaps...jfrichards wrote:
That's simply not true. I just emailed one to a friend 3 minutes ago. Just hit Share then Email.
1.) @JFRichards: are you using the original (or just a not super recent) version of Figure and maybe there's an update waiting that you'd be better off not using because it'll take away e-mail functionality? Reviews said you once could e-mail but no longer can.
2.) Props saw the complaints and re-instituted e-mail functionality.
3.) All these reviewers are idiots and just couldn't figure it out, which suggests the process is too difficult to figure out for the average consumer.
Don't know which it is. Just know that a bunch of 1 star reviews are not good.
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Got it 2 days ago.JNeffLind wrote:...JFRichards: are you using the original (or just a not super recent) version of Figure...
JNeffLind wrote:...JFRichards: are you using the original (or just a not super recent) version of Figure...
Hmmm... Are you able to e-mail an actual figure file or just a link to a discover hosted file? Another slightly related question, is the file you can e-mail (or link to) a wave file or do the tracks stay independent? I just opened mine up and when I went hit share button it took me to a sign-up page for discover. There was no option to send anything independent of discover. This is the issue I'm addressing. Unless they've changed the software in the last two days (I downloaded mine hours ago) I'm a bit confused. It seems they've inserted themselves as a necessary middleman between something you might want to share with me or me with you. Or am I missing something?jfrichards wrote: Got it 2 days ago.
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JNeffLind wrote:...it's no longer possible to e-mail or otherwise export figure files without using discover. ...
On the latest version of Figure, sharing presents the upload via Drop to Prop feature only. You can, however, select to "unlist" your upload and privately share (via email or whatever) the link to your dropped piece, bypassing Discover completely. The email option is presented in the final dialog. See the attached.jfrichards wrote:
That's simply not true. I just emailed one to a friend 3 minutes ago. Just hit Share then Email.
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JNeffLind wrote:...it's no longer possible to e-mail or otherwise export figure files without using discover. ...
jfrichards wrote:
That's simply not true. I just emailed one to a friend 3 minutes ago. Just hit Share then Email.
Wasn't there some issue with the rights when using Drop to Discover? Is it that props owns the rights or just that you relinquish all rights? How does this come into play if keeping something unlisted. It would be pretty weird if you couldn't get something from your phone to your computer without giving up the rights. Anyone have any answer?EnochLight wrote: On the latest version of Figure, sharing presents the upload via Drop to Prop feature only. You can, however, select to "unlist" your upload and privately share (via email or whatever) the link to your dropped piece, bypassing Discover completely. The email option is presented in the final dialog. See the attached.
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No, Props doesn't own the rights. The person who uploads it retains all rights of ownership. Regardless, I was merely illustrating that you can bypass Discover entirely by selecting "unlisted" in your upload options. Therefore, only you (and anyone you send the link to) would have access to your dropped work. You get it to your phone (or anyone else) by clicking the URL link - but you're not giving up your rights of ownership. Not sure why people think this.JNeffLind wrote:Wasn't there some issue with the rights when using Drop to Discover? Is it that props owns the rights or just that you relinquish all rights? How does this come into play if keeping something unlisted. It would be pretty weird if you couldn't get something from your phone to your computer without giving up the rights. Anyone have any answer?
It bears repeating again: Drop to Prop is merely the vessel that gets your material to Discover. You don't have to post it to Discover if you don't want to, though. The service (Drop To Prop) is very usable - and valuable - without using Discover at all.
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Figure is a fantastic little App. It only costs a dollar. I'd take the 1 star reviews with a large dose of salt.
You say that but in the other thread where you posted the EULA but it clearly says you grant rights to everyone to use it, make money off it however they want etc., and the rights are irrevocable and royalty free. Doesn't really sound like you own it any more except in a purely "legalese semantics" sense.EnochLight wrote:No, Props doesn't own the rights. The person who uploads it retains all rights of ownership. Regardless, I was merely illustrating that you can bypass Discover entirely by selecting "unlisted" in your upload options. Therefore, only you (and anyone you send the link to) would have access to your dropped work. You get it to your phone (or anyone else) by clicking the URL link - but you're not giving up your rights of ownership. Not sure why people think this. It bears repeating again: Drop to Prop is merely the vessel that gets your material to Discover. You don't have to post it to Discover if you don't want to, though. The service (Drop To Prop) is very usable - and valuable - without using Discover at all.
As for Drop to Prop being usable, I can't dispute that. My issue is that it's the only way to share. Why not e-mail? What if you don't want to sign up for their service? What if you want to transfer via bluetooth or don't have internet access where you live or don't have wireless and have a super expensive data plan. This may be begging the question, but it doesn't make sense to me that they'd take away the most logical option (e-mail or simple usb transfer) unless they knew people wouldn't use the service otherwise. As I said in the other thread, I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I'm interested in your take on this and want to understand the situation.
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I'm pretty sure you can share files without using Drop to Prop or Discover. No Bluetooth or Dropbox option unfortunately, as you have to use the iTunes file transfer option which is clunky. See the pic below..JNeffLind wrote:As for Drop to Prop being usable, I can't dispute that. My issue is that it's the only way to share. Why not e-mail? What if you don't want to sign up for their service? What if you want to transfer via bluetooth or don't have internet access where you live or don't have wireless and have a super expensive data plan. This may be begging the question, but it doesn't make sense to me that they'd take away the most logical option (e-mail or simple usb transfer) unless they knew people wouldn't use the service otherwise. As I said in the other thread, I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I'm interested in your take on this and want to understand the situation.
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Hmmm... I was getting my info from user comments. Looks like you're right though as far as being able to send stuff via e-mail, but am I right in in the interpretation that one can only do this after uploading via Drop? That's how it worked on my device. So even if you keep it unlisted, you have to go through the extra step of uploading it before you can save it and then find it on your phone and attach it as a sound file in an e-mail. Perhaps that's the issue people had, or it might just be that in order to get that dialogue box to come up, one had to sign up for discover first and some are annoyed by that, not wanting to join a service they don't plan to use. Also, that EULA, while it may be practical for props and for others who might use the material, it doesn't instill much confidence in the creator that their work will be credited, much less compensated. I understand the drive is collaboration without worry, and that does have it's merits. Just makes me a bit nervous as one who takes my craft pretty seriously.EnochLight wrote: I'm pretty sure you can share files without using Drop to Prop or Discover. No Bluetooth or Dropbox option unfortunately, as you have to use the iTunes file transfer option which is clunky. See the pic below..
Thanks for pushing me to investigate further. It seems like it's still plenty functional if one can get past the Big Brotheresque issue of having to sign up and upload (unlisted) even if one doesn't want to use the service.
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To the contrary of the many reviews available, Figure is a brilliant program for getting an idea down quick. It's a bus ride app. While I'm sure some get more out of it than was intended, the Props definitely kept it simple for a reason. As far as every song sounding the same, isn't that the general state of popular music?
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BTW, where are my Vermont maple scones?
They should be under your seat. Do I need to fire another intern?jfrichards wrote:BTW, where are my Vermont maple scones?
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