Reason 8.1 & above CPU Stress Test (songfile included)!

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08 May 2017

EnochLight wrote:
Kategra wrote:I recommend the 6800K. The 100$ difference gets you considerably more Reason performance, less heat, and more OC headroom.
..at the expense of +45 TDH wattage/energy consumption on the 6800K. It's a miracle you got it to run cooler...
Kategra wrote:While I seen my ex CPU Ryzen 1700X @ 4Ghz with a voltage exceeding 1.4V and was stable in Reason, but not stable in prime95 (Notcua D15S, open case), the i7 runs at 4 Ghz with just 1.25V pime95 1hour torture test OK. I can get the 6800K @ 4.2 Ghz, prime 95 stable, but with 1.35ish voltage which, for me, is not worth the extra heat and noise...
I expect that by 2020 ... 6950X would cost < 500 EUR second hand and would have 50% to 80% extra performance in Reason 10 versus the 6800K. So no need to change the mobo / ram then....
I'm still not convinced that Ryzen is out completely. I'm wondering if others can chime in with their experience, as drawing a conclusion from a few builds doesn't seem wise. I'm not discounting your personal experience; I would just like to see more samples in testing. There's so many other factors on these builds when taken as a whole.

ryzen_vs_i7.JPG


You can buy for yourself Ryzen and test :)
Whatever you cool it with and OC it will not play the whole benchmark. Maybe hacking the sound driver to allow for 30 seconds latency buffer would help :))))

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06 Jun 2017

R7 1700 OCed @ 3.7. Made it to 37 second mark with buffer @ 900+ and sample rate 44100.

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20 Jun 2017

Ryzen 5 1600X Stock speed, 16GB ram Win 10 GTX 970 and GTX 980 (I do 3d graphics too)

started to get ticks in audio around 34 seconds in and Reason halted at 41:076

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26 Jun 2017

Reason 8.1 test file in reason 9.5
AMD Ryzen 1600x 3.9Ghz overclock
16Gb RAM 2400mhz
CPU Usage Limit 95%
Roland Quad Capture @ 44100 Hz @ 1024 samples
stopped @ 51 seconds

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When hit stop and hit (Shift, ctrl, alt) with + like the post of Selig, the ryzen spreads out the threads and i got this massive boost to 1 minute 13! :shock:

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30 Jun 2017

Hi All,
I've just come across this thread and found if very interesting.
Having read through all 11 pages, it looks to me that when specifying a Reason computer the top priority is to have as many real (rather than virtual) cores as you can afford. Other priorities like CPU speed, amount and speed of memory, type of program disc etc can all have a positive effect but appear to be of a lesser impact than the number of cores.

This was a big issue to me last year - I was running an i5 on a laptop under Win 7. All was reasonably fine until I added Expanse Hyperwave to my list of Rack Extensions (awesome by the way). I think the track was cosmic sunrise (or similar) - but while I could play one note, when I tried a three note chord, the DSP meter would go through the roof and crash the song! That persuaded me to do some research, and go build a new desktop computer. It cost me about $1,000 in parts but would have cost almost double as a system. Bottom line, I'm delighted with it - no more crashes or snaps or crackles. It doesn't make it through this stress test, but that's fine (this was a great idea by the way - so thank you to all involved!).

My results for comparison are below:-
A) 47.8 seconds / bar 24.4 at 44100 sample rate and 2048 samples buffer size
B) 43 seconds /bar 22.4 at 44100 and 256 samples

Machine spec:-
i7-6700K running at standard 4.00GHz (4 real cores, 8 virtual)
16GB RAM (3000MHz)
Program store - Samsung 960 EVO M.2 250GB
Data store - WD 1TB hard drive
Windows 10 Pro 64 / Creators Update
UR22 USB Audio interface / Steinberg ASIO driver

PS Interesting to note that my DSP meter was sitting at two bars with the transport at STOP ?!??
As reported elsewhere, three cores only are in operation as far as the song is concerned.
I get no snap, crackle or pop as the song gets closer to crashing....

Thanks again.

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06 Jul 2017

Carly(Poohbear) wrote:
01 Jul 2016

Did a lot of benchmarks between R8 and R9 Beta and R9 release.

The R9 beta RC's (non logging of course) were slower, not by much.
R8 and R9 release I get more or less the same results however every 5-6 days I suddenly see a big performance drop in R9 (stress test stops at 23 seconds) which I have not really tried to track down (done basic tracking through Task manager etc nothing pops out) as it happens at times when I don't have spare time and reboot sorts it, so it could be well to do with my system, also note Reason runs 24 hours on my system, can't really compare this to R8 as I did not run R8 except for stress test results (came from R7 which I did not see the problem with)

Asus G751JT Laptop
i7 4750HQ@2.0 Ghz, 32GB
Windows 10 64bit
Audio Interface: Multiple, (DX) RealTek\Nvidia\Yeti > ASIO4ALL

Slight different results depending on interface.
ASIO4ALL avg 40 Seconds
Realtek avg 39.6 seconds
Nvidia avg 39.2 seconds
Yeti avg 38.7 seconds

Note Yeti is an USB device, also I got the largest range of spurious results from that interface (which TBH I would expect as it's sharing a bus with quite a few other devices), I found the ASIO4ALL to be the most consistent with the results, Note the ASIO4ALL at the time of testing was setup to use the Realtek.
Also note real spurious results I excluded when doing my avg. (seamed to get one every 20 to 30 runs).

Would be interested to know if anyone else has tested via ASIO4ALL and then using DX through to their audio interface if they see different results?
Hmm same setup, rebooted did not start anything extra.

Reason 9.5.1
Just using "Use Multi-core audio rendering" my score has dropped to about 17 seconds!!!! that is over 50% decrease!!!
Turning on "Use hyper-threading audio redering" my score is about 29!! still a 25% decrease!!!!
What is going on with Reason 9.5.1 (shame I did not any record 9.5 results)

I did note that Reason 9.5.1 is using different cores when hyper-threading is turned off (now uses Core 0,2,4 where as before it was 2,4,6)

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06 Jul 2017

My computer will play very little of that stress test song regardless, but for me, playback stopped the soonest with both multicore and hyperthreading options unchecked and the most lengthy playback (all 1.3 seconds of it) was with both options checked.

Intel Core i7-3700 3.40 GHz
8 GB RAM
Windows 10 (1703) 64-bit
PreSonus Universal Control 48,000 kHz 864 samples buffer
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06 Jul 2017

Interesting...

Last time I tested the R8 got to about 46 seconds or so on 8.3.2

One of the first things I did with the PC I have is test the benchmark results:

March 2016 Reason 8.3.2
•Intel i7-4790k @4.0Ghz
•16gb
•Asio Mbox2 Mini
•44100 Hz 4096 b/speed
•37.4.2.233 0:01:13:747 @ 95%

July 2017 Reason 9.5.1
•Intel i7-4790k @4.0Ghz
•16gb
•Asio Mbox2 Mini
•44100 Hz 4096 b/speed
• 0:01:12:447 @ 95%
•48100 Hz 4096 b/speed
• 0:56:917 @ 95%

Considering hyper threading is being used I reckon it should have gone all the way. CPU 0-6 where being used pretty evenly and CPU 7 didn't really move until near the end if all cores where in use I think it would have been better results. Considering a clean install of windows :shock: :(
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06 Jul 2017

Update to my post of 30 June 2017......
Today is 6th July 2017 and Reason has just released an update on top of v9.5 (9.5.1d19) - and guess what! It includes hyperthreading!!!!
So most of the results in this thread are now overtaken, and at nil cost to us - hurrah!

**My personal benchmark results here have jumped from 43 seconds to 68.5 seconds - that's a massive +58% **

I monitored my cores using 'HWInfo' and instead of seeing three of my four real cores pumping away, I now see 7 of my 8 virtual threads pumping away - a massive jump in capability for any processor that supports hypethreading.

Congrats to Propellerheads :-)

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06 Jul 2017

Carly(Poohbear) wrote:
06 Jul 2017
Carly(Poohbear) wrote:
01 Jul 2016

Did a lot of benchmarks between R8 and R9 Beta and R9 release.

The R9 beta RC's (non logging of course) were slower, not by much.
R8 and R9 release I get more or less the same results however every 5-6 days I suddenly see a big performance drop in R9 (stress test stops at 23 seconds) which I have not really tried to track down (done basic tracking through Task manager etc nothing pops out) as it happens at times when I don't have spare time and reboot sorts it, so it could be well to do with my system, also note Reason runs 24 hours on my system, can't really compare this to R8 as I did not run R8 except for stress test results (came from R7 which I did not see the problem with)

Asus G751JT Laptop
i7 4750HQ@2.0 Ghz, 32GB
Windows 10 64bit
Audio Interface: Multiple, (DX) RealTek\Nvidia\Yeti > ASIO4ALL

Slight different results depending on interface.
ASIO4ALL avg 40 Seconds
Realtek avg 39.6 seconds
Nvidia avg 39.2 seconds
Yeti avg 38.7 seconds

Note Yeti is an USB device, also I got the largest range of spurious results from that interface (which TBH I would expect as it's sharing a bus with quite a few other devices), I found the ASIO4ALL to be the most consistent with the results, Note the ASIO4ALL at the time of testing was setup to use the Realtek.
Also note real spurious results I excluded when doing my avg. (seamed to get one every 20 to 30 runs).

Would be interested to know if anyone else has tested via ASIO4ALL and then using DX through to their audio interface if they see different results?
Hmm same setup, rebooted did not start anything extra.

Reason 9.5.1
Just using "Use Multi-core audio rendering" my score has dropped to about 17 seconds!!!! that is over 50% decrease!!!
Turning on "Use hyper-threading audio redering" my score is about 29!! still a 25% decrease!!!!
What is going on with Reason 9.5.1 (shame I did not any record 9.5 results)

I did note that Reason 9.5.1 is using different cores when hyper-threading is turned off (now uses Core 0,2,4 where as before it was 2,4,6)
Part of the issue was me.... DOH!!!, my ASIO drive had set the sample rate to 48K and not 44.1K
Part was something to do with my system, not Reason related and I can't say what I really did to fix the issue as I did so many simple little things, after the last big Windows update it had reset a lot of my rights and other settings so I was going through a number of them things... anyway.

With Hyperthreading enabled I now get to the 1 minute mark, very nice increase.
With it turned off it adv. about 37 seconds which is down about 3 seconds..

Note: during my trouble shooting I did install Reason 9.2 and Reason 8, Reason 9.2 gave the same results (no hyperthreading of course) as 9.5.1, Reason 8 was back at the 39\40 mark...

Testing with one of my tracks, it's better with Hyperthreading turned off as when on I'm getting a few clicks and pops, CPU spiking..

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06 Jul 2017

bpmorton wrote:
20 Jun 2017
Ryzen 5 1600X Stock speed, 16GB ram Win 10 GTX 970 and GTX 980 (I do 3d graphics too)

started to get ticks in audio around 34 seconds in and Reason halted at 41:076
with the update I start getting tics in the audio at 56 seconds and playback halts at 1:04. With my buffer set to 256 samples it halts at 56 seconds. This is a great improvement! My old computer could only handle about 5 seconds before stopping (i5 2400, 16gb)

I forgot to mention in the last post that I'm using an M-Audio Mobil-Pre USB (older version) as my interface.

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06 Jul 2017

AMD FX-8350, 16GB and PH Balance@256 , 9.5 around 16sec, after upgrade around 40sec :puf_smile:

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06 Jul 2017

Ryzen 1600x @ 3.9ghz
Before the update i got 52.893
After 9.5.1. update i got 1.16.649
So yes, this update helps Ryzen too all threads are now used, Thanks!
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06 Jul 2017

The new Reason hyperthreading allows me to play about twice as far (2011 iMac i7 Quadcore with hyper threading)
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07 Jul 2017

CephaloPod wrote:
06 Jul 2017
The new Reason hyperthreading allows me to play about twice as far (2011 iMac i7 Quadcore with hyper threading)
This has been true for me as well. It used to stop at around 32-34 seconds, but now makes it to 1:23 with no audio dropouts until it really starts struggling when the DSP bar is in the red. It's a dramatic improvement.
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19 Oct 2017

Hi Guys! I really hoped there was a post on this new macbook, but there wasn't, so.. I bought it :P
Anyway, here you are -

Your CPU model (Intel i7 3770k, AMD FX 8350, etc) and clock speed - as well as whether or not you are overclocking
MacBook Pro Core i7 2.9Ghz 15" Touch/Mid-2017 (I7-7820HQ)

The amount of RAM you have
16GB

Your audiocard Brand and Model
Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 2G

Your audiocard driver settings (sample rate 44100 Hz recommended and max buffer settings)
44.1 max buffer

CPU Useage Limit must be set to 95% in Reason's settings
check!

When playback stops / Computer too slow warning appears ----> (bars & time)
44.5 seconds (23.2.1.158 - 0:0:44:582) thought it started to jitter around 34 seconds

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19 Oct 2017

deddy wrote:
19 Oct 2017
Hi Guys! I really hoped there was a post on this new macbook, but there wasn't, so.. I bought it :P
Anyway, here you are -

Your CPU model (Intel i7 3770k, AMD FX 8350, etc) and clock speed - as well as whether or not you are overclocking
MacBook Pro Core i7 2.9Ghz 15" Touch/Mid-2017 (I7-7820HQ)

The amount of RAM you have
16GB

Your audiocard Brand and Model
Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 2G

Your audiocard driver settings (sample rate 44100 Hz recommended and max buffer settings)
44.1 max buffer

CPU Useage Limit must be set to 95% in Reason's settings
check!

When playback stops / Computer too slow warning appears ----> (bars & time)
44.5 seconds (23.2.1.158 - 0:0:44:582) thought it started to jitter around 34 seconds
Is that with HT on or off, you should post both as most the scores on this thread are pre 9.5.2 and did not have HT.

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20 Oct 2017

dagwood wrote:
14 Aug 2016
devilfish wrote:No issues with my Engineering CPU. Everything works great. The QFQK is an Qualitiy Sample with same Clockspeeds and Spezifications like the Original CPU.
Example:
2x 3GHz (2 Core Turbo)+ 12 x2,5GHz
or
14x 2,7GHz (all Core Turbo)

Reason works very well on Multicore Systems. And for me there is nothing wrong with that kind of CPU :D
But it is not legal to sell one.

If your friend can get one --> buy one! ;)

Attantion to the Stepping!! The QFQK is C0/C1 and not all motherboards can run that Stepping!!!!!!!!!
You really have to Check your motherboard!!!

Here is a Link to my motherboard CPU Support List:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/X99%20Ex ... sp?cat=CPU

You can see it is nearly possible to run most of the Engineering CPUs.

For example, a Gigabyte motherboard can not run the Stepping C1/C0 nor the E5-2683v3 !!!
http://www.gigabyte.us/support-download ... x?pid=5125

The MSi Raider X99 can only run the Original CPU! But can not run C0 Stepping on a E5-2683v3 (Stepping: QEY7).
https://de.msi.com/Motherboard/support/ ... upport-cpu

So, at First step: Watch your Mainboard CPU Support List !!!

Further Information:
QEY7 = very First Stepping C0 (Engineering Sample) and CPUz show the CPU just as Xeon E5 Genuie Intel
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/152173458 ... -l1000.jpg
Also the clockspeed is reduced (-200MHz)
And Turbo Speeds are reduced!!

QFQK = 2nd Stepping C0/C1 (Quality Engineering Sample) and CPUz Show the CPU as Xeon E5-2683v3 (ES) - Same clockspeed like Original CPU

QGN5 = Last Stepping C1 - CPU with same Stepping like SR1XH (Original E5-2683v3)

SR1XH = Original Intel Xeon E5-2683v3 (Stepping C1)
Good information, thanks.

Yeah - I'm still reluctant to commit to this. After reading up, I've discovered that Engineering Samples do, in fact, fail a lot faster than their retail counterparts. Dave from Techpowerup.com (regular reviewer of CPU and motherboards) has many engineering sample CPU's in his possession and finds that one's results are hit and miss.

He states:
..these chips are likely to be abused while also NOT being some of the best chips ever, contrary to popular belief. ES CPUs are typically just the same as any other chip. I have 3x 4960X, and of the three, only one was "good", and the best it can do is 4.5 GHz (pretty average). Intel sends out chips that are good and bad, and average, since those that get ES chips do need to be aware of how these chips might work in general, and only select reviewers are likely to get good chips (those that benchmark). Meanwhile, I am pretty sure that using an ES chip to post benchmarks on HWBOT puts you outside of the general user category.
And finally:
ES chips tend to degrade quickly. It is like there is some sort of timer on them, and after so many hours, they start to fail, then clock worse, then don't work at all, and I have had this happen to many ES CPUs over the years.
So, great that you got a good deal on that chip, but I don't want to have problems down the line.

Good luck!

His original post:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threa ... st-3372113
Just an Update:
The QS-Chip is still running ... had a Single Crash with some VST‘s.. had deinstall all that Crap VST‘s and everything is working like a charm with R9!

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20 Oct 2017

Here are results from my PC:

Your CPU model (Intel i7 3770k, AMD FX 8350, etc) and clock speed - as well as whether or not you are overclocking
PC, Windows 10, Intel i7 6700K @ 4Ghz, ssd drive

The amount of RAM you have
16GB

Your audiocard Brand and Model
Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 2G

Your audiocard driver settings (sample rate 44100 Hz recommended and max buffer settings)
44.1 max buffer (1024 samples)

CPU Useage Limit must be set to 95% in Reason's settings
check!

When playback stops / Computer too slow warning appears ----> (bars & time)
with HyperThreding on:
25.4.2.215
0:0:49:737

with HT off:
14.1.1.145
0:0:26:76

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20 Oct 2017

Carly(Poohbear) wrote:
19 Oct 2017
deddy wrote:
19 Oct 2017
Hi Guys! I really hoped there was a post on this new macbook, but there wasn't, so.. I bought it :P
Anyway, here you are -

Your CPU model (Intel i7 3770k, AMD FX 8350, etc) and clock speed - as well as whether or not you are overclocking
MacBook Pro Core i7 2.9Ghz 15" Touch/Mid-2017 (I7-7820HQ)

The amount of RAM you have
16GB

Your audiocard Brand and Model
Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 2G

Your audiocard driver settings (sample rate 44100 Hz recommended and max buffer settings)
44.1 max buffer

CPU Useage Limit must be set to 95% in Reason's settings
check!

When playback stops / Computer too slow warning appears ----> (bars & time)
44.5 seconds (23.2.1.158 - 0:0:44:582) thought it started to jitter around 34 seconds
Is that with HT on or off, you should post both as most the scores on this thread are pre 9.5.2 and did not have HT.
HyperThreading ON:
23.2.1.158 - 0:0:44:582s

HyperThreading OFF:
9.4.2.42 - 0:0:17:647s

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20 Oct 2017

deddy wrote:
20 Oct 2017
Carly(Poohbear) wrote:
19 Oct 2017


Is that with HT on or off, you should post both as most the scores on this thread are pre 9.5.2 and did not have HT.
HyperThreading ON:
23.2.1.158 - 0:0:44:582s

HyperThreading OFF:
9.4.2.42 - 0:0:17:647s
Cheers for the info.

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14 Nov 2017

Has anyone tested with Threadripper or the new Core i9 chips? Would love to see some benchmarks from those and the new 8700k (especially seeing Intel's Mesh system vs AMD's IF in DAW tasks).

Also, I think the somewhat lacklustre performance we're seeing with Ryzen R7s vs the i7s is probably due to the way Ryzen is built using the IF interconnects between its modules. The IF interconnect has a quite a large latency penalty, especially when compared to Intel's ring bus system used in its Core i3/5/7 lineup. DAWs are very latency sensitive, which gives the edge to the Intel chips here.

Additionally, the single core IPC advantage Intel has is likely giving them a bit of an edge as well. Although DAWs are very multi-thread friendly, the way this typically works is that each channel is 1 thread. This is important, as it means that the all the work isn't being split and interleaved in processing (as other multi-threaded workloads might do), but instead processing as separate tasks which need to be finished consistently together on time (hence the latency sensitivity). The result of this is that single core IPC is still really important and with Intel's advantage in that, as well as clock speed, it's easy to see why they're coming out on top over AMD's offerings. Still, it's great to see AMD is competitive again and 6 & 8 core CPUs are finally becoming mainstream. :D

Some more great info on this kind of stuff here in case anyone is interested:
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2017/03/02 ... for-audio/

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/in ... -decade/13
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel- ... 34806.html

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15 Nov 2017

Contra,
very interesting, thank you !
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16 Nov 2017

CPU model: Ryzen 5 1600 clocked to 3.875
RAM: 16gb corsair hynix chip at 3200
audiocard: roland edirol UA-4FX 44100hz 1024 bufer
CPU Useage Limit set to 95% in Reason's settings
When playback stops: reproduced full song with some clicks on the end but not stoped

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16 Nov 2017

Same results as Alan, Ryzen 7 1700 clocked at 3,6 Ghz, Ballistix Sport 2666Mhz Ram Cl16 with Reason 10
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