Reason 12 is coming!

[rgdaniel]

I'd be shocked, and wonder how that would even be possible. Reason + and Reason standalone are the same exact executable, no? A fix to one IS a fix to the other. Reason+ is just, as someone mentioned above, just a new way to license content (ie REs and such, separate from the core program). Or am I missing something? It's been known to happen.

Boy that was farther back in the thread than I realized... context probably lost... oh well

There seems to be questions and confusion from some users only because of the new territory now as we enter into a new major release.

R+ users will get some of the R12 features as they become ready. And then anybody looking to buy R12 when it's released will have those same features then.

Beyond that, during the cycle of R12, I don't see them giving features and devices to R+ users first or holding features or fixes away from R12 perpetual license users. We've already seen this with R11 and R+. Fixes/features went out to everybody the same day. Algoritm was made available to everybody at the same time. I suspect the same thing after R12 is released. And then we'd see the same thing with R13. Maybe if a point update is major enough with multiple features being finished at different times, they'd maybe do the same thing then?

But that's all political choices, you haven't addressed my point/question: how can you deliver a feature or fix to Reason+ and not Reason standalone, if it's the same executable?

[avasopht]

But that's all political choices, you haven't addressed my point/question: how can you deliver a feature or fix to Reason+ and not Reason standalone, if it's the same executable?

1. As a plugin.
2. As a separate executable.
3. Disabling and enabling the feature.

They've not said what types of features R+ users would get early so this is pretty much going into the territory of premature speculation™

[plaamook]

Wasn't there the suggestion that R+ would gett he new combi and new sampler first via the...new authoriser shop app extension?
Maybe I only read it here. Can't remember. Was the joke that they would beta test it for us, etc.

[Creativemind]

Yeah I've wanted a shortcut to select all clips on a track. I primarily use Reaper with the RRP now and in Reason, is there still no quick way to select all clips on a track without zooming right out?

I'm not sure of a shortcut for this...? Maybe there is?

But if you select a clip and then hold shift as you arrow over (or hold down the arrow until the end) it will add those clips to the selection.

Thanks but yeah know that one but then it moves the screen along as you shift off the screen.

Ctrl A just selects everything in the sequencer, all tracks, all clips.

Reaper - double click the track in the Track Control Panel (Inspector in some daw's) and voila.

[EnochLight]

Wasn't there the suggestion that R+ would gett he new combi and new sampler first via the...new authoriser shop app extension?
Maybe I only read it here. Can't remember. Was the joke that they would beta test it for us, etc.

It has not been announced by Reason Studios how they'll add new devices for Reason+ subs (or even perpetual license holders). But it's extremely likely that the new Combinator would just be "built-in", just like Europa and Grain are. As for the new sampler, it's anyone's guess. They could build it in, or they could make it an optional download (which, yes - probably would occur through Reason Companion). But it was said in Ryan's teaser video that active Reason+ subscribers may get early access to new features planned for 12.

[jam-s]

But that's all political choices, you haven't addressed my point/question: how can you deliver a feature or fix to Reason+ and not Reason standalone, if it's the same executable?

Another way would be to have Reason V 12.0.x ready for Reason+ subscribers while not giving the option to get a perpetual Reason 12 license for anyone else until the official release date for Reason 12.

[guitfnky]

I'm not sure of a shortcut for this...? Maybe there is?

But if you select a clip and then hold shift as you arrow over (or hold down the arrow until the end) it will add those clips to the selection.

Thanks but yeah know that one but then it moves the screen along as you shift off the screen.

Ctrl A just selects everything in the sequencer, all tracks, all clips.

Reaper - double click the track in the Track Control Panel (Inspector in some daw's) and voila.

not at my PC right now, but maybe try something like Ctrl+Shift+End? I use that a lot in other apps—no idea if they’ve got something similar in Reason.

[Creativemind]

Thanks but yeah know that one but then it moves the screen along as you shift off the screen.

Ctrl A just selects everything in the sequencer, all tracks, all clips.

Reaper - double click the track in the Track Control Panel (Inspector in some daw's) and voila.

not at my PC right now, but maybe try something like Ctrl+Shift+End? I use that a lot in other apps—no idea if they’ve got something similar in Reason.

Nope. Ctrl shift end nor alt shift end or ctrl alt end.

[guitfnky]

not at my PC right now, but maybe try something like Ctrl+Shift+End? I use that a lot in other apps—no idea if they’ve got something similar in Reason.

Nope. Ctrl shift end nor alt shift end or ctrl alt end.

figures. it was worth a shot.

[Creativemind]

Nope. Ctrl shift end nor alt shift end or ctrl alt end.

figures. it was worth a shot.

Don't hit ctrl alt delete by mistake like I did.

[QVprod]

I’d be very surprised if bug fixes weren’t provided across the board.

I'd be shocked, and wonder how that would even be possible. Reason + and Reason standalone are the same exact executable, no? A fix to one IS a fix to the other. Reason+ is just, as someone mentioned above, just a new way to license content (ie REs and such, separate from the core program). Or am I missing something? It's been known to happen.

Boy that was farther back in the thread than I realized... context probably lost... oh well

As of now yes I think so. That may however be subject to change when they release the first new feature. Or they may have an account based way of only providing the update to subscribers. Since R+ users are the only ones able to use Companion right now, that could be a way.

Ultimately I think it’s simpler than it sounds.

[Catblack]

No. I was very specific. Reason cannot zoom to the whole track/song length. It can zoom to an arbitrary limit of 650-ish bars. Those things are not the same.

The manual says the sequencer can zoom to "show all" - it cannot.

Ah, ok. Well, then you are not really talking about Zoom functionality not working (as it does) but rather, it not working the way one would expect after a song is over a certain bar length.

I frequently (the past 2 years) just hit record and then noodle with my modular. I run into not seeing the whole thing all the time.

The worst is when I've noodled for a while, maybe make a new audio track and the cursor is like way out in hour1.5 land. And then I save and load it weeks, months later and the 'good bit' is like way off the screen somewhere.

So I want zoom AND markers other than the start-end and left-right ones.

[QVprod]

No. I was very specific. Reason cannot zoom to the whole track/song length. It can zoom to an arbitrary limit of 650-ish bars. Those things are not the same.

The manual says the sequencer can zoom to "show all" - it cannot.

I frequently (the past 2 years) just hit record and then noodle with my modular. I run into not seeing the whole thing all the time.

The worst is when I've noodled for a while, maybe make a new audio track and the cursor is like way out in hour1.5 land. And then I save and load it weeks, months later and the 'good bit' is like way off the screen somewhere.

So I want zoom AND markers other than the start-end and left-right ones.

Must say 650 bars or an hr+ of content in the sequencer is quite more than they probably ever expected people to use lol. Markers would definitely be handy. The blocks workaround was a nice visual aid, but not very functional.

[DJMaytag]

I'd be shocked, and wonder how that would even be possible. Reason + and Reason standalone are the same exact executable, no? A fix to one IS a fix to the other. Reason+ is just, as someone mentioned above, just a new way to license content (ie REs and such, separate from the core program). Or am I missing something? It's been known to happen.

Boy that was farther back in the thread than I realized... context probably lost... oh well

I think it needs to be repeated, and related LOUDLY and FREQUENTLY how stupid of an idea it would be that updates wouldn't be rolled out to license holders. The state of fear that some people live in over a piece of software is unreal.

[loopeydoug]

I think it needs to be repeated, and related LOUDLY and FREQUENTLY how stupid of an idea it would be that updates wouldn't be rolled out to license holders. The state of fear that some people live in over a piece of software is unreal.

My thoughts exactly. How this topic got turned into another "we hate the subscription model" thread baffles me. I don't like the subscription model. Who cares? At this point, if you're worried that RS might let you down, you either haven't been here that long or you haven't learned any of the lessons they've been teaching. Take a breath and relax. One day you will be dead. Today you're alive. Go make music.

[Faastwalker]

How this topic got turned into another "we hate the subscription model" thread baffles me. I don't like the subscription model. Who cares?

Yes, we've had that discussion to death already. Let's keep it Reason 12 not Reason+ in here I say

[madmacman]

But that's all political choices, you haven't addressed my point/question: how can you deliver a feature or fix to Reason+ and not Reason standalone, if it's the same executable?

IF it is the same executable. IIRC they had different versions for Reason and Reason Suite (the Splash Screen indicated a "Suite" version), but they were function-wise 100% identical.

Maybe with R12 you'll get a standard and a plus version. And then you can e.g. implement "feature flags".

[DaveyG]

Did I miss the bit where they said that the subs and the perpetual versions would not advance at the same time?
Because all I saw them say was that some of the V12 things will be rolled out to subscribers ahead of V12 release, which probably just means they will get slightly earlier access to stuff like combinator 2 and the sampler, which I assume will be REs.
And I don't think they said anything at all about bug fixes being supplied to subs before perpetual. That doesn't make any sense. If they have fixed a bug I can't see them withholding it from any of their users!

[Loque]

Curious which devs overhaul their UI to look better in HD...

[SebAudio]

Curious which devs overhaul their UI to look better in HD...

That is what I’m wondering. I’m reluctant to buy some RE now (hopefully a lot of them are not on sale) because I’m not sure if they’ll shine or not in HD.

I’m curious too to see how combinator v1 backdrops will render.

[nickb523]

Curious which devs overhaul their UI to look better in HD...

There shouldn't be any need for that. GUI's were originally made for UHD and then downscaled to fit the rack, if anything they will look more like we originally intended.

For example here is a raw Zoetrope image fresh from the SDK. Zoom in and take note of the amount of detail that is straight missing in the current version of Reason.

[orthodox]

Curious which devs overhaul their UI to look better in HD...

They've always been developing it in 5x resolution, literally. The only thing that won't scale is displays. This includes things like Complex-1 when you click "Show Cables", for example. I'm not sure about it, though, as it can be cured.

[RobBarnett]

The stuff that can be released sooner to the R+ subscribers are RE devices and such (add ons/plugins).

It does not include updates to Reason core functionality because that would require installing a point or a version update.

From software development and product management perspective forking the core program (Reason) into two separate branches (one for standalone and one for R+) would make no sense at all.

R+ is, after all, only a licensing scheme that affords subscribers access to specific content.

I agree, forking the program into two separate branches would be a poor decision from a development and maintenance perspective. However, HiRes graphics are currently being beta tested in R11, so who knows?

[orthodox]

However, HiRes graphics are currently being beta tested in R11, so who knows?

It doesn't matter what number is displayed in the beta about box, it's going to be released only in R12.

[Loque]

Curious which devs overhaul their UI to look better in HD...

There shouldn't be any need for that. GUI's were originally made for UHD and then downscaled to fit the rack, if anything they will look more like we originally intended.

For example here is a raw Zoetrope image fresh from the SDK. Zoom in and take note of the amount of detail that is straight missing in the current version of Reason.

Nice

I like those little details which become visible than