Reason Sound Quality

[chk071]

Maybe i'm getting stupid here... but, i hear a difference in the 3 demos. Demo 1 seems to have a bit more bass than the others, and it also seems to have a tiny bit more top end. Am i going crazy? Anyway, i guess next thing will be that someone nulls the examples, and proves me wrong anyway, so, i better SU.

[dustmoses]

I've found Reason instruments and many REs have a more "dry" sound to them. VST presets are almost universally loaded with reverb and delay.

This is a good thing IMO. I like the dry sound, applying my own effects. Several synths loaded with reverb and delay ends up making the mix a mess.

Try the same stuff in reason with a good RV7000mkII patch, you'll quickly make a lusher sound.

[selig]

Maybe i'm getting stupid here... but, i hear a difference in the 3 demos. Demo 1 seems to have a bit more bass than the others, and it also seems to have a tiny bit more top end. Am i going crazy? Anyway, i guess next thing will be that someone nulls the examples, and proves me wrong anyway, so, i better SU.

Yup, 1/2 and 1/3 null down to -90 dBFS, 2/3 nulls down to -84 dBFS. At least you get credit for predicting they would null…

Interestingly, the null goes pretty much away at bar 5 on all examples - bad loops?

Good enough for me, and exactly what I would expect to see.

[deepndark]

Reason sound-quality is like, we need to work hard. And if we do, you still SUCK!!! HAHAHA!!!!

[esselfortium]

Reason sound-quality is like, we need to work hard. And if we do, you still SUCK!!! HAHAHA!!!!

Is this drunkposting?

[Gorgon]

Reason sound-quality is like, we need to work hard. And if we do, you still SUCK!!! HAHAHA!!!!

Is this drunkposting?

He's doing one word topics again, so I think so.

[avasopht]

lol. People love telling "you" how you hear things in reason. It's been going on for years.

If you can distinguish between sounds mixed in Reason and another DAW in a double blind test I will personally buy you your next upgrade if you are willing to buy me an upgrade to version 10 when you lose

[Oquasec]

with each plugin having at least 20-60 pages to read in a manual I don't see much of a point in complaining when so many propeller head videos & pdfs cover a ton of info already, as well as twe/kv anime clips people.

[C//AZM]

Even if there was a tiny difference in "Sound Engines" the bottom line is that songs are still the songs and you/I won't have a song as good as "Artist Blank" who recorded his smash hit on an out of alignment 1inch 16 track running DBX noise reduction at +3 on 15 ips stored "heads out" and you can hear the SMPTE bleed in the lead vocs. It was a hissy recording and it was a smash hit and no one complained that they should've gone to 2 inch at 30ips with no DBX.

Lots of hit R&B, rap and metal albums recorded on early digital on DA88s and ADATS in some dude's basement with the furnace going whoosh and the cat meowing.
The quality of the sound engine just doesn't matter that much.
Not at such a tiny difference.
Great to have and appreciate the tiny difference but....
If you're down to having to null in order to discover the difference, then that tells you that it really doesn't matter.

The first time I recorded a song to digital tape machine was 1991 and before that we had been running Ampex 499 and Scotch 996 at +9 which translates to 522(??) NWM which was hotter with a lower noise floor than +6 or +3.

When we couldn't hear the hiss before the song started and the song came in like BAM I was like WOW. It was an instant perception thing, not something that needed to be studied and tested. No one had to tell us it was better, it was night and day.

Keep in mind that Prince and many others had smash albums with Linn Drum, Roland d50, Korg Juno and Oberheim factory presets.

[kimothebeatmaker]

I've been on Reason since 2005...and yeah I agree it does have a sound. If I were to describe it, it would be that it sounds closed, tight, and contained. You can combat this by gain staging correctly, carving with eq, and controlling dynamics with compressors, panning things, arranging things in ways to make it more open.......but that's with any daw lol. So back to square 1. Is there a sound? yes...but you have to engineer it...gasp.

[FlowerSoldier]

I'm with Kimo. Every DAW is a blank canvas, and the quality lies in the hands of the creator. There is no one DAW to rule them all.

[deepndark]

Hey try this mastering combi - Reason sounds a lot better when you do: http://www.reflexion-x.com/downloads/Do ... ing_X8.cmb

[ttrinity777]

Sorry, this got posted on wrong topic. This was intended for a post of someone having writers block in reason. What I usually do when I used to get writers block. 1 of 3 things, go through every single sound in Reason & that will probably spark creativity. If that doesn't do it listen to styles of music you like & create something like it. 3rd thing to try, take a break & come back to it.

[Oquasec]

I'm convinced it's just a user thing at this point, because all of that stuff I heard in ableton and fl studio I'm pretty sure can be done in any daw granted you know em inside and out.

[groggy1]

Even if there was a tiny difference in "Sound Engines" the bottom line is that songs are still the songs and you/I won't have a song as good as "Artist Blank" who recorded his smash hit on an out of alignment 1inch 16 track running DBX noise reduction at +3 on 15 ips stored "heads out" and you can hear the SMPTE bleed in the lead vocs. It was a hissy recording and it was a smash hit and no one complained that they should've gone to 2 inch at 30ips with no DBX.

Lots of hit R&B, rap and metal albums recorded on early digital on DA88s and ADATS in some dude's basement with the furnace going whoosh and the cat meowing.
The quality of the sound engine just doesn't matter that much.
Not at such a tiny difference.
Great to have and appreciate the tiny difference but....
If you're down to having to null in order to discover the difference, then that tells you that it really doesn't matter.

The first time I recorded a song to digital tape machine was 1991 and before that we had been running Ampex 499 and Scotch 996 at +9 which translates to 522(??) NWM which was hotter with a lower noise floor than +6 or +3.

When we couldn't hear the hiss before the song started and the song came in like BAM I was like WOW. It was an instant perception thing, not something that needed to be studied and tested. No one had to tell us it was better, it was night and day.

Keep in mind that Prince and many others had smash albums with Linn Drum, Roland d50, Korg Juno and Oberheim factory presets.

This post is great. I was laughing out loud about the whooshing and cat meowing. Thanks!

[seqoi]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[raymondh]

I wonder whether the mixer has any impact on how a DAW sounds? If a single channel of audio sounds the same across DAWs, does that mean multiple audio channels will too?

Do all DAWs use the same digital summing algorithms and if not, is there any technical or material audible difference in the result?

I wonder if any DAWs try to model analog summing (since some people swear that analog summing is better...)?

Edit: I found this video (below) which tells me too things (1) If there are any digital summing differences, they're insignificant and (2) Looking at the raging battle in the comments, best not to waste any more time and just get back to making music

[Oquasec]

It's probably just confusing the plugins that come with the daw with plugins that don't and vice versa with the actual audio engine in question.

[Noplan]

(2) Looking at the raging battle in the comments, best not to waste any more time and just get back to making music

I don`t know if all comment are serious or trolled.

PROTOOLS IS THE BEST , PROTOOLS MORE WARM , ABLETON AND LOGIC SO WARM TOO , CUBASE HAVE NICE CLARITY

IF THE AUDIO WARM COMPARATION

1.PROTOOLS
2.ABLETON
3. LOGIC
4. CUBASE



IF CLARITY COMPARATION

1.CUBASE
2. LOGIC
3. PROTOOLS
4. ABLETON

[normen]

I don`t know if all comment are serious or trolled.

Theres two kinds of people: Those that debate if their spreadsheet applications have warmer results and those that laugh and laugh and laugh and...

[aeox]

[Pralijah]

So, is there any other DAW that claims to be simulating analouge summing, other than Harrison Mixbus?

Reason has the SSL-alike mixer, but do it simulate the same desk when comes to summing?

[normen]

So, is there any other DAW that claims to be simulating analouge summing, other than Harrison Mixbus?

Reason has the SSL-alike mixer, but do it simulate the same desk when comes to summing?

No it doesn't simulate any distortion or "analog" behavior - its basically the ideal SSL as the SSL developers designed it, all the behavior (EQ curves, compressor response etc.) without the noise, limited headroom and other limitations of the electric components.

[QVprod]

This thread was started a year ago before 9.5 and VST. Not to say that Reason wasn't capable before 9.5, but now with VST access this debate is even sillier than before. Huge misconception in the original post was the comparison of a synth in Ableton to a synth in Reason and using that as a testament to the "sound quality" of the DAWs themselves. Simple explanation was the preference of one synth over another.

[motuscott]

in some dude's basement with the furnace going whoosh and the cat meowing.

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