Re: Reason vs. Logic
Posted: 03 Jun 2023
Come on, keep your product bashing focus y’all! We’re supposed to be bashing Reason versus Logic, not Apple versus PC!
Yeah. 2012 13”mbp jacked up to the eyeballs (relatively speaking)
Reason (or rather Record) has had this feature from the start. When you change the tempo the audio gets stretched and that stretch algorithm is really good. Also the tempo can easily be automated.aquil wrote: ↑03 Jun 2023A Logic feature i've seen in action recently is Varispeed. Something that Logic does really good and many other DAWs doesn't have it. Slow down the whole song with a speed control knob like in a tape machine, so you can record melodies with your midi keyboard, when you're in a genre where the bpm is high and you're a not so talented keyboard player.
Would be nice, when Reason would have this, too.
I gave specifics, such as the overcharging for standard off-the-shelf memory and hard drives.joeyluck wrote: ↑03 Jun 2023Hey I said what I said and I stand by itEnochLight wrote: ↑03 Jun 2023
You been smoking banana peels, joey?
^^ THIS ^^
Full disclosure: I have owned Macs in the past, and my entire household is currently (mostly) Apple, aside from some lingering Echo Dots I'm trying to get rid of and 3 custom-built PC's (that were all - at the time of the build - astronomically less expensive than a similar/equivalent spec'd Mac). I mean, I drink the Apple kool-aide as well, Joey - but dude... come on..
Apple costs more, but you're paying for better hardware and experience and the prices are not Teenage Engineering level of ridiculousness. You're not paying a higher price for the same thing. People need to stop with that nonsense. PC stuff is cheap and less reliable.
And then people go and compare basic numbers and components like, "Hey this guitar has 2 pickups and 6 strings for a lower price". I guess you saved money and got the "same thing"
[insert meme here] Kids: "Can we get a Mac?" Mom: "We've got a Mac at home" (shows picture of a PC)
I'll say it again, my computer is the heart of my music making setup. The difference of a few hundred dollars for better hardware, better software and reliability, is justified for me. People are still paying more for single hardware synths than I pay for my computer that runs everything that I upgrade once every 10 years or so. I do not see it as overpriced. You get what you pay for.
I'm not talking about opinions.selig wrote: ↑10 Feb 2024Are we talking about opinions? Becuase I believe we are, and you can’t say someone’s opinion is “right or wrong”, it just “is”.
Unless there is a specific dollar value that is priced “correctly” that we can all agree on, one mans “overpriced” is another mans “totally worth it”. In my case, I ‘ think of myself as a computer user - I am a music/audio professional who uses whatever tools needed. Since 1986, I’ve used the best computer for the money for what I wanted to do and how I want to do it.
So I’d have to say that in my opinion Mac computers are not overpriced. And if it’s not true for you, it doesn’t make it any less true for me!
Ditto. I'm currently debating getting a Mac Mini (or a Macbook) for music production (with my only objection being that I might also use it for development and there are a few annoying differences in hotkeys and stuff). Plus it'll allow me to try out LUNA.selig wrote: ↑10 Feb 2024As for Logic, I have it and have had it for years, and still only manage to get one or two songs out of it. Reason is a better song creation environment for me, and Pro Tools was, and now LUNA is a better mix environment for me. I don’t think the number of features alone is enough to sway me…
Yea, you are. You can’t just price the raw components without factoring in the whole experience.
One more time: I'm not saying "Macs are overpriced".
I have AGREED that the whole experience IS valuable (exactly as you have said).
Same.tomusurp wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024I use 3 DAW, Reason my main, then FL Studio, then Logic on my iPad. I just learn tools and make music. Open whichever DAW I feel like that day and make everything in one. If you ask me which is "better", that certainly can be subjective, for it's Reason because of certain features which are streamlined, but I simply like learning different tools.
Oh that's a good idea to bounce and mix in a different session so it's easier on the CPU. I do everything in one because for the most part my laptop can handle it. When it can't, simply increasing buffer size to 1024 works for me.avasopht wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024Same.tomusurp wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024I use 3 DAW, Reason my main, then FL Studio, then Logic on my iPad. I just learn tools and make music. Open whichever DAW I feel like that day and make everything in one. If you ask me which is "better", that certainly can be subjective, for it's Reason because of certain features which are streamlined, but I simply like learning different tools.
I also mix in a separate project using bounced audio (even when using Reason). It gives me a fresh context to mix.
I've also found myself preferring Reason for recording vocals. Whenever I'd pull out a different DAW, there'd always be some lacking feature that's easy in Reason (and looks like I'm doing magic).
But I do find Logic (without plugins) is good for knocking together some concepts quickly. I prefer the arrangement of the library over NI as it's more vanilla and has good variation between orchestral instruments (though I'm not a fan of the added effects).
Well, the internet is old enough for us all to know how easy it is for miscommunication to take place.
joeyluck wrote: ↑03 Jun 2023Hey I said what I said and I stand by itEnochLight wrote: ↑03 Jun 2023
You been smoking banana peels, joey?
^^ THIS ^^
Full disclosure: I have owned Macs in the past, and my entire household is currently (mostly) Apple, aside from some lingering Echo Dots I'm trying to get rid of and 3 custom-built PC's (that were all - at the time of the build - astronomically less expensive than a similar/equivalent spec'd Mac). I mean, I drink the Apple kool-aide as well, Joey - but dude... come on..
Apple costs more, but you're paying for better hardware and experience and the prices are not Teenage Engineering level of ridiculousness. You're not paying a higher price for the same thing. People need to stop with that nonsense. PC stuff is cheap and less reliable.
And then people go and compare basic numbers and components like, "Hey this guitar has 2 pickups and 6 strings for a lower price". I guess you saved money and got the "same thing"
[insert meme here] Kids: "Can we get a Mac?" Mom: "We've got a Mac at home" (shows picture of a PC)
I'll say it again, my computer is the heart of my music making setup. The difference of a few hundred dollars for better hardware, better software and reliability, is justified for me. People are still paying more for single hardware synths than I pay for my computer that runs everything that I upgrade once every 10 years or so. I do not see it as overpriced. You get what you pay for.