Dry/Wet knob for Scream 4 distorstion unit

[Mohammadyarahmad]

Does Scream has a dry/wet knob?

If not, how can we create that?

[pushedbutton]

You could put your sound source into a channel of a line mixer with the send value turned up then set the scream up as a send effect on the channel and use the Aux Return knob as your Dry/Wet knob.

[Heigen5]

You could put your sound source into a channel of a line mixer with the send value turned up then set the scream up as a send effect on the channel and use the Aux Return knob as your Dry/Wet knob.

I think it is done so yes, and if one would make a combi out of this with the spiders in use, you'd save some time every time you'd want to have this?

[Pepin]

You can use the new Gain Tool for this in X-Fade mode.

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[pushedbutton]

I wouldn't bother with a spider, you would have more control adding more sources by using line mixers, either a 6:2 for simplicity or a 14:2 if you want more ins and send effects.

[Heigen5]

I wouldn't bother with a spider, you would have more control adding more sources by using line mixers, either a 6:2 for simplicity or a 14:2 if you want more ins and send effects.

I'd add this combi and just map the aux send amount so you'd save time to do this, - or did I mislook something in this approach?

[Heigen5]

https://www.reflexion-x.com/downloads/d ... st1.reason

A test of selfmade dry/wet solution. It requires a R13, but if needed, I could make a R11 and down version too at some point.

[Heigen5]

But to optimize this solution the aux channel would be my choice so I'd just throw the spider out and it'd be just the line-mixer + the scream.
But if I'd program this thing even further and make it a scream4 dry/wet solution, you'd just tweak it then and even choose your desired distortion mode etc.

[Pepin]

A line mixer will only give you separate wet and dry controls unless you use a Combinator to map them both to a single knob (in opposite directions).

But the problem with using a Combinator this way is that the resulting crossfade is not equal power. The volume noticeably drops around the center position. That's why I'd still go with the crossfader approach -- either Gain Tool or Morfin XF.

[Heigen5]

A line mixer will only give you separate wet and dry controls unless you use a Combinator to map them both to a single knob (in opposite directions).

But the problem with using a Combinator this way is that the resulting crossfade is not equal power. The volume noticeably drops around the center position. That's why I'd still go with the crossfader approach -- either Gain Tool or Morfin XF.

Hmmm might be true. Can one compensate the drop in some way?

[Heigen5]

DryIWet_Test2.zip

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Not 100% sure but is this diy-corerct NOW?

[Pepin]

A line mixer will only give you separate wet and dry controls unless you use a Combinator to map them both to a single knob (in opposite directions).

But the problem with using a Combinator this way is that the resulting crossfade is not equal power. The volume noticeably drops around the center position. That's why I'd still go with the crossfader approach -- either Gain Tool or Morfin XF.

Hmmm might be true. Can one compensate the drop in some way?

I haven't tried it myself, but searching turned up this article:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/news/post ... RcRfDeGFCk

So there is a way, but I'm not sure it's worth much now that Gain Tool is built in.

[Heigen5]

Hmmm might be true. Can one compensate the drop in some way?

I haven't tried it myself, but searching turned up this article:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/news/post ... RcRfDeGFCk

So there is a way, but I'm not sure it's worth much now that Gain Tool is built in.

Interesting, not sure I'll be ready to put my thinking on with this article yet of, but thanks, I'll see if it's something that I did too? The combi has a scale feature, that I used to get there. Anyway, my diy should open for people who don't have R13 yet of. Cheers!

[huggermugger]

I don't have R13 so I don't have the new Gain Tool. But you can use a free RE, Morfin XF from Groovy Melon, and you can choose the crossfade curve too.

[mind2069]

Listen carefully when doing it, I remember people saying back then that some of the distortion types would create phase problems in a dry/wet situation. Dont remember wich.

[selig]

Hmmm might be true. Can one compensate the drop in some way?

I haven't tried it myself, but searching turned up this article:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/news/post ... RcRfDeGFCk

So there is a way, but I'm not sure it's worth much now that Gain Tool is built in.

This solution gives you equal power, which is -6dB center and will still likely give you a 'dip' in the center. You probably want equal gain, which is -3dB center like the new Gain Tool. If you use the Morfin FX (excellent tool, btw) it's the default setting (called "Constant Power", just to further confuse things).

And this is why I usually just refer to them by how much the center drops!

[deeplink]

Does Scream has a dry/wet knob?

If not, how can we create that?

Made this some time ago, includes a dry/wet knob (0db fade): viewtopic.php?f=69&t=7526978

Listen carefully when doing it, I remember people saying back then that some of the distortion types would create phase problems in a dry/wet situation. Dont remember wich.

Tube and Tape

[Chi-Individual]

Before R13 I tried this with Scenic since it has a crossfade slider. I didn’t check if it caused any dips in volume or phase issues as I’m not that well versed on the technical side of things but I got the result I was looking for. If you have that RE may be worth a test at least.

[dioxide]

Just use this. It’s free and can be done in a single device without the Spider.
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... le-drywet/

[challism]

Just use this. It’s free and can be done in a single device without the Spider.
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... le-drywet/

I prefer Groove Melon Morfin because Double Dry/Wet introduces too much latency.
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... rossfader/

[Mohammadyarahmad]

Thanks all for the brilliant responses.
Creativity and knowledge shine in the forum <3

[selig]

Does Scream has a dry/wet knob?

If not, how can we create that?

Made this some time ago, includes a dry/wet knob (0db fade): viewtopic.php?f=69&t=7526978

Yea, that approach to crossfading has a strong boost in the center position. The way I'd use that "taper" and 0dB center approach is, assuming I want some dry and some wet in the results: I'd leave that Blend knob centered, then simply dial in the amount of distortion on the Master. Feels more intuitive working that way if I'm going for a typical parallel process approach.

I guess I missed this when you first posted it, but great work here - this is the perfect device for such improvements. One request: Please label internal devices, makes rooting around much easier. For example the Thor at the bottom would be Polarity Switch, the next one up would be CV Matrix or Routing, the Sweeper would be Env Follower, etc. I try to do this out of habit (and past work on the factory sound bank!) as it makes it easier for anyone (myself included) to open it up and figure it out pretty quickly. The other "suggestion" for the factory sound bank Combinator work was to keep signal flow top to bottom when possible, which you've pretty much already done.
Great job overall!

[deeplink]

Yea, that approach to crossfading has a strong boost in the center position. The way I'd use that "taper" and 0dB center approach is, assuming I want some dry and some wet in the results: I'd leave that Blend knob centered, then simply dial in the amount of distortion on the Master. Feels more intuitive working that way if I'm going for a typical parallel process approach.

I guess I missed this when you first posted it, but great work here - this is the perfect device for such improvements. One request: Please label internal devices, makes rooting around much easier. For example the Thor at the bottom would be Polarity Switch, the next one up would be CV Matrix or Routing, the Sweeper would be Env Follower, etc. I try to do this out of habit (and past work on the factory sound bank!) as it makes it easier for anyone (myself included) to open it up and figure it out pretty quickly. The other "suggestion" for the factory sound bank Combinator work was to keep signal flow top to bottom when possible, which you've pretty much already done.
Great job overall!

Thank you Selig. I'm still not sold on the best practice of a dry/wet knob. Case and point: The Pulveriser Blend - I'm always bouncing between adjusting the blend and volume level, and then bypassing/re-enabling to hear the difference. I'm still looking for a 'one knob' or at least an easier solution.

I've started labelling properly in my later combi's - mostly for my own benefit as they got quite complex, with Thor doing a lot of the heavy lifting for abstract things (like CV switching/scaling etc.). This Scream combinator is quite old, and could do with a minor update in the future

[selig]

Yea, that approach to crossfading has a strong boost in the center position. The way I'd use that "taper" and 0dB center approach is, assuming I want some dry and some wet in the results: I'd leave that Blend knob centered, then simply dial in the amount of distortion on the Master. Feels more intuitive working that way if I'm going for a typical parallel process approach.

I guess I missed this when you first posted it, but great work here - this is the perfect device for such improvements. One request: Please label internal devices, makes rooting around much easier. For example the Thor at the bottom would be Polarity Switch, the next one up would be CV Matrix or Routing, the Sweeper would be Env Follower, etc. I try to do this out of habit (and past work on the factory sound bank!) as it makes it easier for anyone (myself included) to open it up and figure it out pretty quickly. The other "suggestion" for the factory sound bank Combinator work was to keep signal flow top to bottom when possible, which you've pretty much already done.
Great job overall!

Thank you Selig. I'm still not sold on the best practice of a dry/wet knob. Case and point: The Pulveriser Blend - I'm always bouncing between adjusting the blend and volume level, and then bypassing/re-enabling to hear the difference. I'm still looking for a 'one knob' or at least an easier solution.

I've started labelling properly in my later combi's - mostly for my own benefit as they got quite complex, with Thor doing a lot of the heavy lifting for abstract things (like CV switching/scaling etc.). This Scream combinator is quite old, and could do with a minor update in the future

I still like the Morfin FX crossfader because you have options to choose from, and sometimes you want a -6dB curve, sometimes a -3dB curve, and occasionally a 0dB curve or something in between the other options.

If I were to design a new device today for this job I’d put in a continuous control for the crossfade curve, as well as a splitter built in so it’s a “one device” solution - and no latency introduced by the device (but maybe compensation available in the device). And it should also optionally work as a router. But that’s it. I think….