Hahah! Yeah, the eye roll and laughing emoji were there for a reason.
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Hahah! Yeah, the eye roll and laughing emoji were there for a reason.
I don't know Studio One or Abelton, i know Cubase and Reaper and of course, Reason. FX Chains in these softwares are a mess, Reaper can route everything to everything and save the fx chains but they are a PITA to configure, and from what i see none make it so simple or are as versatile as propellerhead did with the combinator.DaveyG wrote: ↑23 Jul 2020
Once again, look beyond the Island of Reason and you'll find FX Chains that can be saved and loaded as if they were a single Fx, can be shared with other users and can even chained together with other Fx Chains. And I only showed you the routing view of Studio One. It also has a macro control view where you can assign anything to knobs, buttons and x-y pads. 8 knobs, 8 buttons and 2 x-y pads. Um, did someone say super combinator?
In reality both approaches have their strengths and weaknesses. After all, I must still be here for some reason, and that reason is Reason. But the whole Combinator/weird wiring thing is very much a niche part of Reason rather than the mass appeal part.
2005, actually (10th of March, to be exact). I agree though - I do wish they'd update it. It's long been overdue for a modern refresh.
We can absolutely agree on that but that was then and I don't know when it started but Reason has gone from being a bold innovator to getting lapped by most of the other race cars. They used to do stuff no-one else had thought of. Now they don't even seem to realise how far behind they have fallen. It's not a bad product, but it's not even second division fodder these days. They really are living on past glories when they should be sniping at FL Studio, Live, Bitwig etc.
Everyone on this board knows it. I took the lols and rolls out of your quote for your convenience, you're welcome!
Depends on the noise. I try do to my noise in a constructive way. I've complained many times, sent Feature suggestions, complained on Social Media, even compared reason to other daws on some specific features or the lack of them. Being a fanboy (or a reason Apologist) does not mean we're dumb or blindfolded.
You're right. I thought the combinator got out on 2.5 but it was added only on Reason 3. Good catch!EnochLight wrote: ↑23 Jul 2020
2005, actually (10th of March, to be exact). I agree though - I do wish they'd update it. It's long been overdue for a modern refresh.
I did not know this :-/esselfortium wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020Opening Reason up to the wider plugin market also curbed the flow of scammers like Softphonics who made their business illegally repackaging inferior knockoff versions of other developers' sample libraries to sell to Reason users who had no other options.
I got the impression they just don't see a likely payoff.Arrant wrote: ↑06 Feb 2021Rack Extensions are good in theory, but had too many shortcomings and weren't attractive enough to the big developers to get enough traction. Sure, there are some cool ones and in some ways the workflow is better, but VST variety and (top end) quality is just so much greater. And as long as we don't have RACK ZOOM the popup-windows (usually resizable for good VSTs) are better GUI-wise than miniscule rack devices anyway .
There’re big names at RE launch and they’ve all gone. So likely not enough ROI.
yep, me too...dealing with VST incompatibilities was an issue. Even today...I mean literally today... I have firmware to update for a Morningstar MC-8 and updating all my Fab Filter VSTs. It's been a couple years since I updated the Fab Filter VSTs and getting instructions from online in attempt to verify my memory of the hoops to jump thru for said process isn't readily proving fruitful. On the plus side, the updates were free to official owners.pquenin wrote: ↑07 Feb 2021I have chosen Reason because I was tired of all these VST plugins incompatibilities (32 bit, 64 bit VST2, 64 bit VST3, and what next...), some will continue to work in your DAW, some won't...
But it's great to be able to add some VSTs in Reason if you lack a fonctionnality.
But VST support in Reason had a big impact on the audio engine in Reason, certainly good and bad things.
And this support will continue to be a time consuming process (VST Midi, VST3). To the detriment of improvements of the sequencer, workflow, UI of Reason itself.
Oh my, I was completely unaware. In spring thru autumn 2018 I was hornswaggled into a complete house restoration project which ate up 12 to 20 hrs per day of my life from March through Sept that year alongside several other similar property projects which lasted until late 2019. After that I got back into hardware and have only recently rekindled music production with Reason. Being years late to the party has always been my MO.syncanonymous wrote: ↑05 Feb 2021I did not know this :-/esselfortium wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020Opening Reason up to the wider plugin market also curbed the flow of scammers like Softphonics who made their business illegally repackaging inferior knockoff versions of other developers' sample libraries to sell to Reason users who had no other options.
I did wonder what happened
Is the VST work really that extensive? It was mostly written way back in around 2012, and that was when we got Rack Extensions, Polar, and lots of other gizmos and improvements.
100%.Jagwah wrote: ↑08 Feb 2021I was always an in the box user, VSTs just made things better imo. I still prefer dedicated RE's but to have the choice definitely felt like the right decision, once I could use Massive and follow all the bass tuts on YT it felt really good.
I can't imagine how badly it would hurt sales if all the little kiddies knew Reason was lacking something major all the other DAWs had, and choosing Reason would mean they can't use the synthesizer VSTs their favorite producer used.
maybe not.
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