Update on Reason 10.3 and VST performance

[bxbrkrz]

Thank you for keeping us up in the loop. My ratio is 90/10, Re Vs VST usage. Have a great week end!

[chaosroyale]

Just read the CDM article. While they obviously can't give away too many details, it is an enlightening look into the technical side of things.

tl,dr: "it works really well. It puts Reason on par with other DAWs as far as VST performance." <- That's awesome!

[aeox]

Thank you for keeping us up in the loop. My ratio is 90/10, Re Vs VST usage. Have a great week end!

That's about my ratio as well. I'm hardly concerned about VST performance, but I welcome it none-the-less!

[hurricane]

Thank you for keeping us up in the loop. My ratio is 90/10, Re Vs VST usage. Have a great week end!

That's about my ratio as well. I'm hardly concerned about VST performance, but I welcome it none-the-less!

Well I'm 90/10 VST, so I am HIGHLY anticipating the optimizations.

[aeox]

That's about my ratio as well. I'm hardly concerned about VST performance, but I welcome it none-the-less!

Well I'm 90/10 VST, so I am HIGHLY anticipating the optimizations.

In time..

[Karim]

Honesty and trasparence are the best qualities. They are good news anyway.
Many thanks [emoji6]

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[craven]

Thanks for the update on the update, Mattias! I actually thought that it won't happen this year as it sounded like a lot of work. Godspeed and relaxing holidays to you and the team.

[moneykube]

it is coming... it is coming...

[NekujaK]

Thank you, Mattias, for the honest and informative update. This kind of communication always benefits the entire Reason community. I can appreciate the difficult challenges you're facing, and am glad to hear progress is being made. If 10.3 has to take a little longer to get things perfect, that's just fine. It's best to proceed cautiously and ensure the things that already work well in Reason don't get broken along the way.

Happy holidays!

[Boombastix]

I totally second Midi out from VST. If not 10.3, then 10.35 maybe.
Also, if there is anything code wise to do about eXpanse and VK-2 to make them run more efficient (who's ball, Blamsoft or PH?). Probably my two most expensive synths, but used the least as my 4 core i7 barks at me.

Is the only work around to bounce to audio and delete those REs from the rack?
Well, not so bueno for good workflow.

I do appreciate the update, I'm patient, just wanna know so we know stuff is coming. I do not want to learn another DAW, better focus on one and be proficient, but I might still have to force myself to learn my Presonus 1 to get VST Midi out, unless we know it will come soon.

Please include Midi out ASAP and let us know it's on the path.

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[sonicbyte]

So happy to hear the news about the update Mattias, even if it delays more than expected, it will always be a good thing to keep us updated about this and any other important thing in Reason's future. Thanks for this.

Keep up the good work!

[toddbooster]

Weird. I totally expected this to be called 10.5. Anyway, while I also would appreciate midi out, any chance they might also pop in VST 3 as a bonus?

[Oquasec]

Propellerhead made rewire already but it's nice to have something like there sometimes.
FL Studio is my solution for live performances n junk, and has had a stable vst bridge forever.
Propellerhead excels at being Reaktor.

[QVprod]

Since I'm not using VSTs with Reason I'm indifferent about it, but while you're tweaking stuff under the hood is there any chance for making REs also perform better? The 64 samples buffer was an ambitious goal and is probably useful for those that perform live, but many (most?) of us would rather prefer running few more instances of Vk-2 or Expanse that them having the lowest latency possible

I agree,

would be nice option if the user could put Reason in ´Live´ or ´Mix´ mode.

From what I understand, you can. Just like any other daw, you lower the buffer to 64. Then it should work the same way it does now.

[demt]

Somewon said a 2 speed reason, seems a good idea !!!!
Back to the point, the improvements in 10,3 sound good and thanks for telling us.

[avasopht]

Communication is king -- thumbs up!!

[botnotbot]

I agree,

would be nice option if the user could put Reason in ´Live´ or ´Mix´ mode.

From what I understand, you can. Just like any other daw, you lower the buffer to 64. Then it should work the same way it does now.

Unfortunately I don't think this is the case.

According to the CDM article, the REs are always at 64 samples, regardless of what you set the audio interface sample buffer. This is why you don't get the dramatic performance upgrades when switching to higher buffer sizes that you see in other DAWs.

So I understand the suggestion to be giving us a switch to expand the RE buffer size.

[jam-s]

According to the CDM article, the REs are always at 64 samples, regardless of what you set the audio interface sample buffer. This is why you don't get the dramatic performance upgrades when switching to higher buffer sizes that you see in other DAWs.

So I understand the suggestion to be giving us a switch to expand the RE buffer size.

As RE are coded with the fixed 64 samples buffer in mind, increasing this buffer size won't automagically increase performance, as the REs would have to be altered to make use of the larger buffer as well.

[wendylou]

Yay, Ozone will benefit! Thank you!

[QVprod]

From what I understand, you can. Just like any other daw, you lower the buffer to 64. Then it should work the same way it does now.

Unfortunately I don't think this is the case.

According to the CDM article, the REs are always at 64 samples, regardless of what you set the audio interface sample buffer. This is why you don't get the dramatic performance upgrades when switching to higher buffer sizes that you see in other DAWs.

So I understand the suggestion to be giving us a switch to expand the RE buffer size.

I was referring to VST. But fair point regarding RE.

[electricthing]

Unfortunately I don't think this is the case.

According to the CDM article, the REs are always at 64 samples, regardless of what you set the audio interface sample buffer. This is why you don't get the dramatic performance upgrades when switching to higher buffer sizes that you see in other DAWs.

So I understand the suggestion to be giving us a switch to expand the RE buffer size.

I was referring to VST. But fair point regarding RE.

As was said in the first post in this thread by Mattias:

The challenge with this update is to keep existing Rack Extensions and native devices running with 64 frame buffers, as before, while allowing VSTs to run with larger buffers in the same Reason rack.

So in Reason VST's don't benefit in the same amount from higher buffer size like they do in other DAWs, because of the way Reason has optimized it's native devices and RE's to run well with 64 frame buffers.
VST's are obviously not optimized for this.

I would like the option to turn off this optimisation for 64 frame buffers when mixing etc and have the option to turn it on for those who want it.
So I could choose the buffersize I want for mixing that would impact the native devices, RE's and VST's.
But I'm sure the props know better than me how to improve this.

[VariableX]

ill take the update when it comes but don't rush it.
The only VST i own are microTonic ( bought when first released ) and Vacuum Pro and Hybrid3 ($1 each )
They all perform very well with my Reason setup!

[toddbooster]

Interesting question (well, interesting to to me anyway): Would this have been easier to do for Record, if it had been kept separate from Reason?

[Krell]

Thanks for the informative and transparent communication!

[QVprod]

Interesting question (well, interesting to to me anyway): Would this have been easier to do for Record, if it had been kept separate from Reason?

Record still shared many with Reason and when Reason was installed on the same computer, all of Reason's instruments were accessible. So I would say no.