Reason 9.5 – VST in Reason

[Karim]

I think it would be a big mistake for Reason to have VST support. .... Reason has a chance to compete against the VST world why pollute that opportunity ?

You are making a big mistake of evaluation. Just a tiny....

Here we talk about competing with Daw like FL Studio, Ableton LIve, Studio One, Cubase, Logic, Bitwig, Tracktion, Reaper, Harrison ( and many others) that support the VST format and do not use Rack Extension ( and they will never use it in the future)
while Reason was the only one to use the rack format .
It's a numerically impossible battle.
We're talking about maybe millions of VST users vs thousands of Reason Users.
No way ...
How can you just think that a single daw proprietary format ( RE) can compete with a format installed in at least 10 DAWS (which are considered among the 10 best daws in the world?). Think for a moment and so speak...

Btw to me, Reason is the best of the world. But the world like VST a bit more.

[Tumble]

One thing I've been awaiting in Reason for a long time is a much more advanced sampler - beyond NN-XT which has served me well, but always feel like I'm fighting it rather than working with it (especially on the splitting up of samples across the keyboard). VST could be my route to making this happen. There are plenty of really strong and well-supported VST sample players/editors to choose from.

Yes same here! any suggestions of a good vst sampler?

[Karim]

AHAHAHAHAH! That was a good one!
So funny!

[Heater]

Time to finally update my Reason 7. I'm very glad the company has seen the light and have VST integration.

[danc]

One thing I've been awaiting in Reason for a long time is a much more advanced sampler - beyond NN-XT which has served me well, but always feel like I'm fighting it rather than working with it (especially on the splitting up of samples across the keyboard). VST could be my route to making this happen. There are plenty of really strong and well-supported VST sample players/editors to choose from.

Yes same here! any suggestions of a good vst sampler?

Many hours of happy demoing VSTs me-thinks. It's a daunting task ahead!

[chrischrischris]

Hi,

As I watch The Video for The 3RD time I am noticing that there are 4 options when A VST window is open. Keep Open / Automation / Remote / Camera.

Camera is changed in a later image to Screenshot.

I'm wondering if that is something to do with the way that Undo / Redo will be implemented. Interesting.

Chris

[plaamook]

For free.

Point. 5.

what will 10 have?

Video support and Telepathic input processing or some shit I guess

Dunno but I really hope it's an overhauled sequencer. I'm so sick of that pig at this point.

I'd appreciate further developing it but idk about an "overhaul"

Apps like bitwig FL and Ableton all have SEQs that make me want to tear off my own head and kick it out of a window.

Ok yeah. Further developing. But the list is growing.
That said, 9.5 should take my mind off the pain of audio and midi editing for a while...

[Karim]

the day reason stopped to be what it was intended to be and became "another DAW". im out. everything after R6 was pointless or simply wrong and this is the conclusion of the developement. there is no point in using reason over any other DAW anymore.

So good bye, I think you will like "other" DAWS.

I hated all 10 daws I tried.. SO bon voyage...

[plaamook]

Man this place is moving like 4chan. Even midi out wasn't this bad

[Tumble]

Many hours of happy demoing VSTs me-thinks. It's a daunting task ahead!

But otherwise Kontakt for dem libraries. I know I intend to replace Kong/Redrum with Wave Alchemy Revolution.

[jfrichards]

I just made this comment over at Marco's blog at MelodieFabriek. I don't mean to denigrate the VST integration in the slightest, I love it.

I don’t expect Reason will be concentrating on its desktop/laptop development very much after 9.5 and video. If you look at Ernst in the 9.5 announcement video, he looks like he just got beat up. I don’t think it has to do with the Verdane take-over, that’s a big infusion of cash and management expertise. I think it is what he said, there was an unexpected “explosion” (his term) of great VST plug-ins recently. He did not expect that, in fact he predicted the technological death of VST. He expected Rack Extension technology to be the de facto superior alternative worldwide. He was seriously wrong about that. But there is another explosion going on right now that Propellerhead will have to deal with, and is starting to. That is the mobile music world. Have you seen how many music apps are available for iPhone right now compared to a year ago? And the quality, complexity, ingenuity, and musician appeal have risen dramatically (and not just the Boss tuner). My wife got me an iPhone a few years ago to keep in touch with me working in electronics in several San Francisco hospitals. Now I use it to write songs in the car, video chat with nieces, and play Parsec/Thor combinators in my home studio with AC Sabre. Cubase is now on iPad with Audiobus. This is the other explosion that R10 and R11 will have to deal with.

I should clarify that I absolutely cannot do without desktop Reason. It is the center of my music world. I expect it to improve over the years and I love it.

[danc]

the day reason stopped to be what it was intended to be and became "another DAW". im out. everything after R6 was pointless or simply wrong and this is the conclusion of the developement. there is no point in using reason over any other DAW anymore.

So good bye, I think you will like "other" DAWS.

I hated all 10 daws I tried.. SO bon voyage...

Reason has kept to its core values of hyper powerful modular editing. Rack Extensions expanded that - it didn't pollute it. Adding VST is a mature and sane decision... as the rest of the music world has some great and useful tools which should be welcomed in with warm smiles, hugs and happiness.

[lowpryo]

all those people who are afraid of VSTs killing Reason or Rack Extensions, are YOU going to quit using REs because of this change? because as an avid RE user, and also an owner of many VSTs (and more to come), I am not going to stop being excited about Rack Extensions. and I'm sure a lot of loyal users are the same. if anything, this just creates more competition in the marketplace. competition is good for consumers, right?

[Jowe79]

Hi!!thank you so much for add VST support in reason 9.5!!
One question i am already owner of reason 9! When this version was released i purchased the update to 9, in my case i have the chance of get this update for free ???
2nd question
I have KOMPLETE 11 from Native Instruments will be compatible in reason 9.5 too? Is a pack of plugins vst and effects...
Thanks!!!
Jordi

[Karim]

using... external vst hosts... bypasses the need for...bitbridgers.
Rewire, supports all formats.
Emi, can use external devices period.

Comparing direct integration of VST devices in Reason to either of those solutions is kind of strange. I mean, I'm glad those solutions work for you, but you have to realise that for a lot of people those are workarounds at best.

Personally, I massively welcome any VST integration that doesn't involve me running another DAW in the background, doesn't require lots of fiddly preparation to actually use, doesn't require setting up latency-introducing loopback channels, doesn't require the maintenance and organisation of two separate documents, doesn't require manually opening up standalone versions of VSTs in the background, and basically doesn't bring my workflow to a screeching halt. Oh, and PDC. That's nice, too

Those words are pure gold
They summarize all the frustrations of the past that the rewire here an there or any other EMI involved ...
and that there will be no more.
- One song,
- One mixing session ....
and maybe
- One mastering section too
with all Latest state-of-the-art tools, all in amazing Reason.
And we will enjoy it all.
Thanks for your contribution Adam and still thx to PH, Steinberg and all people involved.

[altron]

all those people who are afraid of VSTs killing Reason or Rack Extensions, are YOU going to quit using REs because of this change? because as an avid RE user, and also an owner of many VSTs (and more to come), I am not going to stop being excited about Rack Extensions. and I'm sure a lot of loyal users are the same. if anything, this just creates more competition in the marketplace. competition is good for consumers, right?

Several current Res are very good but do you expect that any RE dev will continue make REs while the big money is out there with VSTis? The RE market will dry down after this release, no doubt! Amen, I love the RE format!

[chimp_spanner]

I'll be intentionally vague so as to keep to the terms of the beta test agreement. But I will say this; if you're worried that VSTs will break the Reason "paradigm" or ruin the workflow, worry not. Everything fits in nicely with CV and audio routing. Automation works perfectly. Trust me, I think even the doubters are gonna love this when it drops. And that's all I'll say on the matter for now!

[zakalwe]

all those people who are afraid of VSTs killing Reason or Rack Extensions, are YOU going to quit using REs because of this change? because as an avid RE user, and also an owner of many VSTs (and more to come), I am not going to stop being excited about Rack Extensions. and I'm sure a lot of loyal users are the same. if anything, this just creates more competition in the marketplace. competition is good for consumers, right?

well no but only because i already did. i haven't bought an RE in maybe 3 years now, and i have quite a few. looking forward, i can see RE could remain relevant in the utility area and maybe unique instruments but ports will probably die off pretty quickly.

[Gulale]

Oh shit! this is the only Reason release that I can't complain? Let me look something to complain about give me my beta. Thanks by the way it works now I have registered.

[danc]

I'll be intentionally vague so as to keep to the terms of the beta test agreement. But I will say this; if you're worried that VSTs will break the Reason "paradigm" or ruin the workflow, worry not. Everything fits in nicely with CV and audio routing. Automation works perfectly. Trust me, I think even the doubters are gonna love this when it drops. And that's all I'll say on the matter for now!

Also - just like MIDI OUT and RE.. you have a choice to use it or not. If you don't like the VST world out there.... then... stay in the box.

[WongoTheSane]

Hi!!thank you so much for add VST support in reason 9.5!!
One question i am already owner of reason 9! When this version was released i purchased the update to 9, in my case i have the chance of get this update for free ???
2nd question
I have KOMPLETE 11 from Native Instruments will be compatible in reason 9.5 too? Is a pack of plugins vst and effects...
Thanks!!!
Jordi

Yes, it will be free to all R9 users (and all Essentials 9 users too!).
Yes, Komplete is... kompatible

[lowpryo]

all those people who are afraid of VSTs killing Reason or Rack Extensions, are YOU going to quit using REs because of this change? because as an avid RE user, and also an owner of many VSTs (and more to come), I am not going to stop being excited about Rack Extensions. and I'm sure a lot of loyal users are the same. if anything, this just creates more competition in the marketplace. competition is good for consumers, right?

Several current Res are very good but do you expect that any RE dev will continue make REs while the big money is out there with VSTis? The RE market will dry down after this release, no doubt! Amen, I love the RE format!

FYI: the big money has always been out there with VSTs.

there are developers who have made both (Rob Papen, U-he, etc), and this might encourage them to focus 100% on their VSTs (which are usually the better versions anyway). but developers who solely make RE's knew they were limiting their customer base. if anything, their customer base will now GROW because of VSTs bringing people to Reason.

[SA Studio]

I cant believe I finally got my wish.

[Nathanbar]

Is there a change log for the upcoming release? I was curious if anything had been done for phase locked group editing?

[Heater]

I'll be intentionally vague so as to keep to the terms of the beta test agreement. But I will say this; if you're worried that VSTs will break the Reason "paradigm" or ruin the workflow, worry not. Everything fits in nicely with CV and audio routing. Automation works perfectly. Trust me, I think even the doubters are gonna love this when it drops. And that's all I'll say on the matter for now!

It sounds awesome.