Reason 10 Rumors

[WillyOD]

After Props investing in Rack Extension for years and years, VST support is very unplausable.

Just make the core software better. I'd be happy if I could just manually type in values instead of tweaking the knobs. Or at least add a different precision mode. Because sometimes trying to get these damn knobs at the position I want them takes me 10 seconds too many. If I know I want a value at 4db I shouldn't have to scroll back and forth at 3.7 - 4.3 and try to dial in the right value.

[Gaja]

Or at least add a different precision mode. Because sometimes trying to get these damn knobs at the position I want them takes me 10 seconds too many. If I know I want a value at 4db I shouldn't have to scroll back and forth at 3.7 - 4.3 and try to dial in the right value.

Are you aware of the fact that you can dial more precisely by holding shift?

[Electric-Metal]

Are you aware of the fact that you can dial more precisely by holding shift?

I'd bet he is, but, from my experience, this doesn't help in many cases.

[Gaja]

I'd bet he is, but, from my experience, this doesn't help in many cases.

Well I'm certainly in favour of numerical entry.
But if they're not aware of shift drag, this might get them closer while waiting.

[Creativemind]

Yes numerical entry would be great and yeah shift tweaking doesn't always get you to where you want either.

[Exowildebeest]

Numerical entry is already possible if you create an automation lane for the parameter and look to the left in the sequencer, there's the default value for numerical entry.

It's an okay workaround for those cases where I want to input e.g. exact frequencies. But numerical entry in the rack is still high on my wishlist!

[Olivier]

Are you aware of the fact that you can dial more precisely by holding shift?

I'd bet he is, but, from my experience, this doesn't help in many cases.

In the preferences, tab: General, there's a pulldown called "Mouse knob range" that you can set to Very Precise.
Sure this sometimes can't match an exact number you need for example in cases of timing (if you want it dead on that is). In those cases keyboard input would be nice. But for all other cases, if that isn't precise enough, i really wonder what kind of magical ears a person has if he can hear the difference between 2 increments at "very precise"

[Exowildebeest]

Are you aware of the fact that you can dial more precisely by holding shift?

I'd bet he is, but, from my experience, this doesn't help in many cases.

In the preferences, tab: General, there's a pulldown called "Mouse knob range" that you can set to Very Precise.
Sure this sometimes can't match an exact number you need for example in cases of timing (if you want it dead on that is). In those cases keyboard input would be nice. But for all other cases, if that isn't precise enough, i really wonder what kind of magical ears a person has if he can hear the difference between 2 increments at "very precise"

Plenty of cases where I want an exact value - sometimes more as a matter of principle than for auditory reasons

Obviously every real Reason user already has "very precise" enabled

[Electric-Metal]

In the preferences, tab: General, there's a pulldown called "Mouse knob range" that you can set to Very Precise.

Thanks, but I'm aware of that, so maybe it's just the mouse (or me) that sucks.

On the "magical ears" part, agreed. But on the other hand, isn't it "these little things", making the difference in so many cases

[Karim]

I answered a bunch of questions today after receiving a mail from Propellerheads urging me - as one of a small group of chosen participants - to take this Reason customer survey. A fair share of the questions were about my feelings about VST integration in Reason. I truthfully answered that I do not care and added as an extra comment that it would not bother me as long as it does not compromise Reasons stability and ease of use across multiple computers. I guess it's evident from the questions that VST integration is something that the Props feel forced to deal with at this stage. Will it happen in R10? i dont know, but I certainly didn't help by trying to push them in that direction with my answers.

Interesting.

There will be Korg Gadget Link over Ableton Link and a new sampler...IMO [emoji11] [emoji11]

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[Karim]

Numerical entry is already possible if you create an automation lane for the parameter and look to the left in the sequencer, there's the default value for numerical entry.

It's an okay workaround for those cases where I want to input e.g. exact frequencies. But numerical entry in the rack is still high on my wishlist!

yes. It's the only method to entry numeric values at the moment

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[Data_Shrine]

Strangely, I hope it won't happen. But that's because I already use another DAW for VST's. To be fair, Prop's should allow resale of RE when R10 comes out. It would open up the market and people in general would be less worried about investing in Reason.

[ejanuska]

I can see the head props considering it if it would mean a new group of customers that want to use their VSTs with Reason.

I wouldn't bet on it, but money rules all.

[aisling]

I can live without VST integration, but i'm finding that I really wished my rack extensions could open in Ableton. Maybe with the Ableton link integration, something like that could follow suite.

[Abstrax]

I also filled out the survey. I said I would be interested in VST but would much rather have Rewire Master. That would solve all this VST bs (VST doesn't really have CV and wouldn't vibe with the rack). I just wanna manipulate loops in Ableton, and mix those channels in Reason's Mixer. I don't even need VST. Ableton's stock features are powerful enough.

[Creativemind]

I would like to see a couple of point updates before 10 to be honest. Sort out some of the core structure and workflow enhancements for Reason and some more midi editing features.

[Karim]

I would like to see a couple of point updates before 10 to be honest. Sort out some of the core structure and workflow enhancements for Reason and some more midi editing features.

they are welcome... I can't wait another year with any improvements...[emoji11]

I also filled out the survey. I said I would be interested in VST but would much rather have Rewire Master. That would solve all this VST bs (VST doesn't really have CV and wouldn't vibe with the rack). I just wanna manipulate loops in Ableton, and mix those channels in Reason's Mixer. I don't even need VST. Ableton's stock features are powerful enough.

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[Creativemind]

The only thing with Rewire master is it'd work much the same way as using LoopBE or Soundflower wouldn't it, like the video's on you tube and the EMI, so only going into Reason on an audio track?

And vst's aren't only synths, you couldn't use an eq or compressor vst into Reason via rewire, or could you?

Rewire master would still be very good though. Don't think the props should go down the vst route (I'm very surprised it's being asked if truth be told) as it'd drastically hinder sales of Re's (although probably boosting sales of Reason) and just improving the SDK even further is the best idea and getting Re's on par with the big name VST's we see.

[Redster]

Good lord please don't let there be VST support. That's one of the main reasons I use Reason in the first place. Besides the crashes, 32 and 64 nightmare, various copy protection schemes and VST's that i relied upon suddenly becoming obsolete meaning there is no song recall.... Happy to leave that administrative cluster@#$! behind.

[kuhliloach]

Did you know you know Audacity can listen to Kontakt output using WASAPI Shared Mode? You can trigger Kontakt with Reason's MIDI device via "loopMIDI".

Then the data captured within Audacity can be saved, then imported back into Reason.

This offers a digital path that might work with other programs or VST's. Worth testing. What Microsoft really needs is a native "Microsoft ASIO driver" that has the added functionality offered by companies like https://o-deus-audio.com.au/

[Abstrax]

And vst's aren't only synths, you couldn't use an eq or compressor vst into Reason via rewire, or could you?

You can do that now actually. When Reason is a Rewire slave, just route whatever signal to the VST in the Master DAW.

Personally, I think Ableton's biggest strength is Reason's biggest weakness. That's loop making/manipulation and Audio sampling. Reason can handle everything else IMO. That's why I need Rewire Master.

[scratchnsnifff]

I'd like. Knobs to snap to various incremental values, something along line the lines of either a switch on combinators that lets 0-127 snap to round numbers or by 5's or id personally want it to be a feature that would be able to be easily turned on and off that'd be a snazzy little workflow enhancement for me

[Yonatan]

Ok, there does not have to be VST support. But what about NI Kontakt support, or support for Toontrack EasyDrummer etc? Without having to use them through another DAW. The weakest point at the moment is the lack of those 3rd party developers of virtual instruments. Ok, I know ppl are wanting waves plugs in Reason etc, but we have quite a lot effects in the shop and expanding rapidly.

[ltbrunt00]

I believe the hell will freeze again when reason 10 will be announced.
There will be vst Support! I dont need it. But i have this feeling again.

Using VST's in reason would be huge. The DAW world would be set on fire. I would probably not use Studio one that much anymore. Probably be on here trying to sell studio one in order to purchase more VST sounds.

Once again the pipe dream of using VST sounds in reason. Reason 32 for sure.

[ltbrunt00]

I'm not sure how often the Props are checking these forums but I have a question about rack extensions.

Is there anything preventing other DAWs from supporting the Rack Extension format?

If the answer is no I will start bugging some of the other DAWs that I use to start supporting the format.