So... It's 2016. Reason 9? Line 6 amps gone by October

[QVprod]

From Reason 8 FAQ

With the new guitar amps coming in Reason 8, what happens with the Line 6 amps?

In addition to the new guitar and bass amp devices introduced in Reason 8 and Reason Essentials 8, the Line 6 Guitar and Bass devices are still available. Please Note: In order to support future product development, the Line 6 guitar and bass amp devices will no longer be available in the Reason rack by October 2016. In order to prevent any future compatibility issues, Propellerhead recommends that you render to audio any tracks that use the Line 6 devices. Alternative amp models will be available in Reason 8 and later.

So since the Line 6 amps will no longer be in Reason by October, I guess we can pretty much assume Version 9 must be getting released soon right. Props have been doing the update thing, but would be weird for an update to remove a core part of the program. Thoughts?

[eusti]

From Reason 8 FAQ

With the new guitar amps coming in Reason 8, what happens with the Line 6 amps?

In addition to the new guitar and bass amp devices introduced in Reason 8 and Reason Essentials 8, the Line 6 Guitar and Bass devices are still available. Please Note: In order to support future product development, the Line 6 guitar and bass amp devices will no longer be available in the Reason rack by October 2016. In order to prevent any future compatibility issues, Propellerhead recommends that you render to audio any tracks that use the Line 6 devices. Alternative amp models will be available in Reason 8 and later.

So since the Line 6 amps will no longer be in Reason by October, I guess we can pretty much assume Version 9 must be getting released soon right. Props have been doing the update thing, but would be weird for an update to remove a core part of the program. Thoughts?

I'd agree: If the date October 2016 is firm, then that should mean that they're expecting Reason 9 to be out by then... But who can really see into the future?

D.

[dvdrtldg]

If the date October 2016 is firm, then that should mean that they're expecting Reason 9 to be out by then... But who can really see into the future?

D.

I can

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[Benedict]

OMG if all my REs are gonna turn into those little colored mutant men that run around my apartment them I am in trouble.



Thanks for the warning

[At Vero Eos]

My biased projection: Props will skip V9 and just move over to Reason 10. Just for marketing reasons.

Maybe something along with Allihoppa? But new version in october seems to be quite sure because of the Line6 deadline. It's very silent in stockholm right now, not even any special announcements at NAMM. So i'm hoping, they're working concentrated on something big...

[stevan]

Seriously, since R8 and the introduction of Softubes Amp's I never touched these Line6 amps . If they'll disappear in the next update, I wouldn't even notice it ... Softubes ampsimulation is really awesome and I hope we'll see more of this in the Reason Rack ...

[normen]

Sorry but what is the reasoning behind linking the deprecation of the Line6 devices and the release of Reason 9?

[chimp_spanner]

Seriously, since R8 and the introduction of Softubes Amp's I never touched these Line6 amps . If they'll disappear in the next update, I wouldn't even notice it ... Softubes ampsimulation is really awesome and I hope we'll see more of this in the Reason Rack ...

I'm completely the opposite. I still use POD Farm 2 in just about everything in Cubase, and the Line 6 Amps in Reason are basically that (I have the full set of models as it reads my POD Farm license). SoftTube amps are...okay? Severely limited choice of cabinets though. I can either find the cab I want with too much room, or one that's dry but has completely the wrong sound.

Kuassa is probably gonna end up being my replacement. They're pretty cool. I will definitely miss Line 6 though!

[normen]

I'm completely the opposite. I still use POD Farm 2 in just about everything in Cubase, and the Line 6 Amps in Reason are basically that (I have the full set of models as it reads my POD Farm license). SoftTube amps are...okay? Severely limited choice of cabinets though. I can either find the cab I want with too much room, or one that's dry but has completely the wrong sound.

Kuassa is probably gonna end up being my replacement. They're pretty cool. I will definitely miss Line 6 though!

Well you can still record Line6 amps directly into Reason using a Line6 interface, thats what I do with the UX-8 I have connected to my Reason computer.

[chimp_spanner]

I'm completely the opposite. I still use POD Farm 2 in just about everything in Cubase, and the Line 6 Amps in Reason are basically that (I have the full set of models as it reads my POD Farm license). SoftTube amps are...okay? Severely limited choice of cabinets though. I can either find the cab I want with too much room, or one that's dry but has completely the wrong sound.

Kuassa is probably gonna end up being my replacement. They're pretty cool. I will definitely miss Line 6 though!

Well you can still record Line6 amps directly into Reason using a Line6 interface, thats what I do with the UX-8 I have connected to my Reason computer.

Yeah sadly I have POD Farm Platinum only, no X3. I managed to get them to grant me a PC only license on the basis that I was touring a lot at the time, and didn't want to have to keep taking my X3 Pro in and out of its rack just to use it as a hardware dongle!

I do have an HD Pro but tbh, I use it so rarely these days. Never quite had the same feel for me.

[stevan]

Seriously, since R8 and the introduction of Softubes Amp's I never touched these Line6 amps . If they'll disappear in the next update, I wouldn't even notice it ... Softubes ampsimulation is really awesome and I hope we'll see more of this in the Reason Rack ...

I'm completely the opposite. I still use POD Farm 2 in just about everything in Cubase, and the Line 6 Amps in Reason are basically that (I have the full set of models as it reads my POD Farm license). SoftTube amps are...okay? Severely limited choice of cabinets though. I can either find the cab I want with too much room, or one that's dry but has completely the wrong sound.

Kuassa is probably gonna end up being my replacement. They're pretty cool. I will definitely miss Line 6 though!

... ok, it's a matter of taste I think. I love the few models of softube, but I wished more of it, but with the new IR RV7000 it's dead easy using different cab/micro settings . I have all the Line6 packs too, but it sounds not right for me, no matter wich amp/cab ... it does not work, but for me the Softube Amps feels more than a real amp ... Kuassa ? Naa, don't like it really , it's ok so far but I don't like the cab-simulation ... can't find an equal sound like in Softube Amp... maybe I should say that I'm using only outboard stuff, like pedealboards etc. and use the Reason Amps just for Cab and poweramp simulation ... so, the Amp Rock/Room combination works perfect for me ...

[madmacman]

Sorry but what is the reasoning behind linking the deprecation of the Line6 devices and the release of Reason 9?

Nobody knows for sure, but I work for an industry software company and here are strict rules: If a license agreement with 3rd party components runs out, then we are forced to release a "cleaned" version with no more references at due date.

Of course, Props simply could release 8.4 (or 8.5) and remove the Line6 Amps. It doesn't have necessarily to be "Reason 9". But I'm sure we will see some kind of release around 30.9. this year.

[avasopht]

Sorry but what is the reasoning behind linking the deprecation of the Line6 devices and the release of Reason 9?

Nobody knows for sure, but I work for an industry software company and here are strict rules: If a license agreement with 3rd party components runs out, then we are forced to release a "cleaned" version with no more references at due date.

Of course, Props simply could release 8.4 (or 8.5) and remove the Line6 Amps. It doesn't have necessarily to be "Reason 9". But I'm sure we will see some kind of release around 30.9. this year.

My thoughts exactly.

[joeyluck]

Sorry but what is the reasoning behind linking the deprecation of the Line6 devices and the release of Reason 9?

Nobody knows for sure, but I work for an industry software company and here are strict rules: If a license agreement with 3rd party components runs out, then we are forced to release a "cleaned" version with no more references at due date.

Of course, Props simply could release 8.4 (or 8.5) and remove the Line6 Amps. It doesn't have necessarily to be "Reason 9". But I'm sure we will see some kind of release around 30.9. this year.

Well waiting for a new version like Reason 9 makes sense. Chances are Reason 9 will be released at that time or even after. But that doesn't mean it can't be released before that time and have them removed early. It's anyone's guess.

[selig]

Sorry but what is the reasoning behind linking the deprecation of the Line6 devices and the release of Reason 9?

Nobody knows for sure, but I work for an industry software company and here are strict rules: If a license agreement with 3rd party components runs out, then we are forced to release a "cleaned" version with no more references at due date.

Of course, Props simply could release 8.4 (or 8.5) and remove the Line6 Amps. It doesn't have necessarily to be "Reason 9". But I'm sure we will see some kind of release around 30.9. this year.

Well waiting for a new version like Reason 9 makes sense. Chances are Reason 9 will be released at that time or even after. But that doesn't mean it can't be released before that time and have them removed early. It's anyone's guess.

It's more likely that date is the earliest date, so that folks have more rather than less time than advertised to switch.

[QVprod]

Sorry but what is the reasoning behind linking the deprecation of the Line6 devices and the release of Reason 9?

Because to remove the Line 6 amps means some type of upgrade/update to the current version of software. I find it sort of improbable that Reason 8.3 would have the amps and something like Reason 8.4, for example, would not. That would be quite inconvenient to the Reason 8 users who use those amps.

[QVprod]

Seriously, since R8 and the introduction of Softubes Amp's I never touched these Line6 amps . If they'll disappear in the next update, I wouldn't even notice it ... Softubes ampsimulation is really awesome and I hope we'll see more of this in the Reason Rack ...

I'm completely the opposite. I still use POD Farm 2 in just about everything in Cubase, and the Line 6 Amps in Reason are basically that (I have the full set of models as it reads my POD Farm license). SoftTube amps are...okay? Severely limited choice of cabinets though. I can either find the cab I want with too much room, or one that's dry but has completely the wrong sound.

Kuassa is probably gonna end up being my replacement. They're pretty cool. I will definitely miss Line 6 though!

... ok, it's a matter of taste I think. I love the few models of softube, but I wished more of it, but with the new IR RV7000 it's dead easy using different cab/micro settings . I have all the Line6 packs too, but it sounds not right for me, no matter wich amp/cab ... it does not work, but for me the Softube Amps feels more than a real amp ... Kuassa ? Naa, don't like it really , it's ok so far but I don't like the cab-simulation ... can't find an equal sound like in Softube Amp... maybe I should say that I'm using only outboard stuff, like pedealboards etc. and use the Reason Amps just for Cab and poweramp simulation ... so, the Amp Rock/Room combination works perfect for me ...

I used the line bass amp quite also on synth and sampled bass. It was great for that... to me at least

[EnochLight]

I checked all of my current projects that I'm working on (7 projects), and only 1 is using a Line6 amp. I managed to switch 2 others over to Kuassa or Softube and I'm extremely happy with the results, but this 1 last project is proving... difficult. I might have to bounce that project's Line6 tracks to audio while in 8.3.2 (or 8.4 or whatever is the last release to have Line6 amps) prior to them deprecating. I don't really plan to make any changes to the tracks that have them, but just in case...

[joeyluck]

I checked all of my current projects that I'm working on (7 projects), and only 1 is using a Line6 amp. I managed to switch 2 others over to Kuassa or Softube and I'm extremely happy with the results, but this 1 last project is proving... difficult. I might have to bounce that project's Line6 tracks to audio while in 8.3.2 (or 8.4 or whatever is the last release to have Line6 amps) prior to them deprecating. I don't really plan to make any changes to the tracks that have them, but just in case...

At the same time, you will always have Reason 8
You can leave it installed or install it when you need it. Line 6 devices can't be removed from previous versions

That's something I mention to many folks still on the fence about Reason 8 who also use Line 6.
It might be the last/best version of Reason to include Line 6 devices... Something to consider.

[EnochLight]

At the same time, you will always have Reason 8
You can leave it installed or install it when you need it. Line 6 devices can't be removed from previous versions

That's something I mention to many folks still on the fence about Reason 8 who also use Line 6.
It might be the last/best version of Reason to include Line 6 devices... Something to consider.

True, though me being a huge fan of the new update channel and utilizing it always, it will require me to manually download 8.x separately in order to access them (and of course, once I work on said project in Reason 9 or whatever version drops the Line6 stuff, I will no longer be able to open those projects in 8.x, so some care will need to be taken).

I know, I know. First world problems, right?

[joeyluck]

At the same time, you will always have Reason 8
You can leave it installed or install it when you need it. Line 6 devices can't be removed from previous versions

That's something I mention to many folks still on the fence about Reason 8 who also use Line 6.
It might be the last/best version of Reason to include Line 6 devices... Something to consider.

True, though me being a huge fan of the new update channel and utilizing it always, it will require me to manually download 8.x separately in order to access them (and of course, once I work on said project in Reason 9 or whatever version drops the Line6 stuff, I will no longer be able to open those projects in 8.x, so some care will need to be taken).

I know, I know. First world problems, right?

Well, I assume if you open those projects in R9 (and R9 excludes Line 6) and you decide to save it as a R9 project... I assume at that point you've ditched the Line 6 devices for that project and have moved on with another distortion option

[EnochLight]

Well, I assume if you open those projects in R9 (and R9 excludes Line 6) and you decide to save it as a R9 project... I assume at that point you've ditched the Line 6 devices for that project and have moved on with another distortion option

I was thinking more along the lines of I save it in a future version because of some new workflow improvement I can't live without. I've given up hope of there ever being a new instrument or effect provided in a stock Reason upgrade. But, I will say the Kuassa and Softube stuff have done an acceptable job of replacing things so far for me. It's just this 1 project's bass line!

[QVprod]

Well, I assume if you open those projects in R9 (and R9 excludes Line 6) and you decide to save it as a R9 project... I assume at that point you've ditched the Line 6 devices for that project and have moved on with another distortion option

I was thinking more along the lines of I save it in a future version because of some new workflow improvement I can't live without. I've given up hope of there ever being a new instrument or effect provided in a stock Reason upgrade. But, I will say the Kuassa and Softube stuff have done an acceptable job of replacing things so far for me. It's just this 1 project's bass line!

I know you have Studio One, might I suggest Ampire? Can't remember if V2 has bass amps (I'm on version 3) but It seems to work as well as the line 6 bass amp for me. That said I tend to use Ignite Amps SHB1 and just use one of the two bass cabs in Ampire skipping the amp entirely. Might get the job done for you.

[EnochLight]

I know you have Studio One, might I suggest Ampire? Can't remember if V2 has bass amps (I'm on version 3) but It seems to work as well as the line 6 bass amp for me. That said I tend to use Ignite Amps SHB1 and just use one of the two bass cabs in Ampire skipping the amp entirely. Might get the job done for you.

Thanks! Yeah, I'm still on 2.6 and Ampire is available. Thing is, that just keeps me working outside of Reason, and while I do still use S1 for Spire, Serum, all of my Sonic Charge stuff, and some others... Ampire just makes me go outside of Reason for my bass guitar. I really like recording in Reason (and working in Reason).

Ampire is pretty bad ass, though!

[jfrichards]

... Ampire just makes me go outside of Reason for my bass guitar. I really like recording in Reason (and working in Reason). Ampire is pretty bad ass, though!

Don't forget the little monster, Cerberus. The tube pre-amp is quite something.