Ableton Live 12

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Post 14 Nov 2023

https://www.ableton.com/en/live/all-new-features/


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MIDI Transformations
Create a variety of simple or complex variations to your MIDI clips: add ornaments and articulations, draw acceleration and deceleration curves, connect successive notes and chords, or simulate the strum of a guitar.
MIDI Generators
Conjure up melodies, chords and rhythms with new MIDI Generators. Give your chosen Generator custom constraints, watch it create playful and original patterns, and then turn the ideas it produces into your own.
Max for Live MIDI Tools
Max now facilitates even greater experimentation, letting you create new MIDI Transformations and Generators – either based on existing ones, or your own creations.
MIDI Editing Improvements
Arrange the order of a selection of notes by pitch, velocity or duration. Stretch, split, chop or join notes in new ways; shape the velocity of notes; transpose them into a scale; or add intervals chromatically or in key.
Keys and Scales
Set the selected clip’s scale in Live’s Control Bar to see its notes in any clip you create. Then edit the clip using scale highlighting as a guide, use the clip scale to transform and generate musical ideas, or sync the scale of MIDI devices and instruments to the clip being played. Any changes in Live will be reflected in Push, and vice versa.
Expanded probability
Assign a single probability rule to a group of notes so that the entire group of notes is played whenever the trigger is fired. Or select a chord and tell Live to randomly play one note from it whenever the probability trigger is fired.
Embrace and explore tunings
Follow your preferred tuning systems or try different ones more easily. Work outside the 12-tone equal temperament system, and access tunings with Live’s devices as well as any MPE-capable plugin.
Surprise yourself with the sounds you create
Meld
A bi-timbral, MPE-capable instrument designed for deep sound shaping that lets you create a wide array of textural and experimental tones with its two easy-to-use macro oscillators.
Granulator III
The latest iteration of Robert Henke’s granular instrument now has MPE capability, giving you expressive control over parameters like note bend, vibrato and glissando. Plus, you can now capture audio in real time and start manipulating it immediately.
Roar
Create everything from subtle and precise mastering-grade warmth to wild and unpredictable sound degradation with Live’s new coloring and saturation effect. Roar’s three saturation stages can be used in series, parallel, or even in mid/side and multiband configurations – and it comes equipped with a feedback generator and an extensive modulation matrix.
New Modulation Behavior
Modulation destinations are no longer taken over by the modulation source. This means you can still adjust the parameter being modulated, even after assigning an LFO or other modulation source to it, opening up faster workflows, more possibilities for performance and continuous real-time control of parameters.
New Packs
Lost and Found – A collection of sounds fashioned from unusual materials, percussive trinkets, unique foley recordings and expressive objects to infuse your productions with character and authenticity. Dig deep and create layers of decorative, expressive instruments, playful Drum Racks and rich sound effects.

Performance Pack – A set of innovative devices from Iftah that push the boundaries of performing with Live. Capture snapshots of your sets and deploy them later, control multiple parameters with layered macros and curves, extend performances with looping in Arrangement View and pre-arrange the structure of a performance before you have even recorded it.
Work more intuitively
Stacked Detail Views
View your devices and the Clip Editor, or automation and device parameters, at the same time – so you can work without the distraction of switching between views.
View styling
Live 12’s cleaner, more minimal look removes visual complexity and keeps the focus on your music.
Mixer in Arrangement
Live’s Mixer, previously available only in Session View, can now be used in Arrangement View. Toggle it on or off with Mixer View Control located in the bottom right corner or via the View menu, and configure it independently of the Arrangement Mixer.
Mixer improvements
Live’s Mixer also comes with visual improvements that make it more accurate for detailed mixing decisions, and easier to read and control.
Browser Tagging and Filtered Searches
Search for your sounds in the Browser without the constraints of Live's built-in categorization. That means when you search for bass sounds, you'll see all the bass sounds in your Ableton library, whether they're samples or instrument presets.

Live 12's sound content is also tagged using a new system that acts as a more flexible alternative or addition to Collections in the sidebar. Sounds now come with sensible labels to make them easier to find – but if you need more detail, or just want to use your own method of labeling, you can also add your own.

Aside from Live 12's built-in tags, you can create your own custom categories in the sidebar for easy access to all your favorite sounds and devices in the way that makes the most sense to your workflow.
Sound Similarity Search
Start with a sample and tell Live’s browser to find comparable sounds and instrument presets, with the help of a neural network.

Or swap all the samples in your Drum Rack for similar ones to quickly try out new percussive textures – like a drum machine with seemingly-infinite kits.
Browser History
Retrace your steps, and see and hear the sounds or categories you've previously searched for: Live's Browser now lets you backtrack through your search history as you would with a web browser.
Accessibility and navigation improvements
Control core workflows in Live 12 using assistive technologies like screen readers, and use new keyboard shortcuts to navigate to nearly every part of Live.
New Themes
Choose new themes and adjust them with cool, neutral or warm tones and even a high contrast mode.

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Post 14 Nov 2023

Browser history and view similar samples seems dope
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Post 14 Nov 2023

This looks fantastic. Really excited for the browser and the MIDI transformations look dope. Just when I was thinking I should try and make Cubase 13 my home. Maybe it can be my holiday home lol

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Post 14 Nov 2023

The midi stuff is amazing and mixer view in arrangement will be cool. Looks like they are yet to implement some of those midi functions from clip view in Push stand-alone though. Definite upgrade for me in the new year I think, although 143 GBP isn't cheap.

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Post 14 Nov 2023

Yesss

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Post 14 Nov 2023

That's a big release that is.
The modulation stuff is interesting and an obvious nod to the latest Bitwig.
It says available early 2024.

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Post 14 Nov 2023

Very nice improvements 👍

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Post 14 Nov 2023

Okay just watched the MIDI tools video and I'm sold. Pre-ordered. Wouldn't normally do that for a DAW (or for anything in fact) but this looks like another case for just using RRP in Live without feeling like I'm missing out on lots of Player functionality.

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Post 14 Nov 2023

chimp_spanner wrote:
14 Nov 2023
Okay just watched the MIDI tools video and I'm sold. Pre-ordered. Wouldn't normally do that for a DAW (or for anything in fact) but this looks like another case for just using RRP in Live without feeling like I'm missing out on lots of Player functionality.
Same here.

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Chi-Individual wrote:
14 Nov 2023
https://www.ableton.com/en/live/all-new-features/
Or swap all the samples in your Drum Rack for similar ones to quickly try out new percussive textures – like a drum machine with seemingly-infinite kits.
Yeah like switch out a kit in Kong and keep your routing. Gee, I wonder who's been saying that.
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Post 14 Nov 2023

It's been a long time since I used Ableton Live. Not taking the session view into account, how does Live's sequencer compare to Reason's?

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sycon wrote:
14 Nov 2023
It's been a long time since I used Ableton Live. Not taking the session view into account, how does Live's sequencer compare to Reason's?
It's swings and roundabouts.

Reason's automation is better/clip based.
Live has some useful MIDI features like time stretching note groups, note folding and scales, automation curves stored in note clips
Reason has audio pitch editing, Live doesn't.
Live has folder tracks, Reason doesn't.
Reason has a more conventional approach to note clips.
Live's note clips are more like pre-defined selection areas, so note 'clips' can't overlap without ballsing up.
Reason has a fairly typical set of MIDI functions in a toolbox, Live doesn't (as of now, for instance, no built in commands to set velocity to xx).
Live has a built in step sequencer.
Reason has Players (Live 12 will definitely fill that gap though with MIDI generators and modifiers).

You get the idea. There's something I like in one that's missing or not as good in the other. But I think on the whole Live is looking like a good environment to work in. The only things I would definitely miss if I switched would be automation clips, and audio pitch editing.

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Post 14 Nov 2023

looks interesting, but never really needed the 'mixer view' in the arrangement, because all the controls are already there. the MIDI stuff seems like it would be very useful, but again, MIDI not being my primary tool, that's not a selling point. if they'd only added proprietary pitch editing, I might've given it a hard look to come back to. really love the Ableton workflow, and it's so close--literally that one missing thing, and I'm back.
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Post 16 Nov 2023

chimp_spanner wrote:
14 Nov 2023
Okay just watched the MIDI tools video and I'm sold. Pre-ordered. Wouldn't normally do that for a DAW (or for anything in fact) but this looks like another case for just using RRP in Live without feeling like I'm missing out on lots of Player functionality.
If you're regular Live user, why wouldn't you pre-order for 20% off?
The day its released it goes back to full price.

Also, sign up for the beta and you'll be able to use it in couple of days/weeks.
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Post 16 Nov 2023

sycon wrote:
14 Nov 2023
It's been a long time since I used Ableton Live. Not taking the session view into account, how does Live's sequencer compare to Reason's?
The main thing it's lacking, and I can't believe it's still not fixed/added, is the ability to edit multiple clips at the same time - cut, stretch, add fades, etc. And clip gain is missing, too.
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Post 16 Nov 2023

antic604 wrote:
16 Nov 2023
chimp_spanner wrote:
14 Nov 2023
Okay just watched the MIDI tools video and I'm sold. Pre-ordered. Wouldn't normally do that for a DAW (or for anything in fact) but this looks like another case for just using RRP in Live without feeling like I'm missing out on lots of Player functionality.
If you're regular Live user, why wouldn't you pre-order for 20% off?
The day its released it goes back to full price.

Also, sign up for the beta and you'll be able to use it in couple of days/weeks.
Yeah already applied. Hopefully be in soon!

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Post 16 Nov 2023

They have that 20% off on Black Friday, or twice a year regularly.
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Post 16 Nov 2023

antic604 wrote:
16 Nov 2023
chimp_spanner wrote:
14 Nov 2023
Okay just watched the MIDI tools video and I'm sold. Pre-ordered. Wouldn't normally do that for a DAW (or for anything in fact) but this looks like another case for just using RRP in Live without feeling like I'm missing out on lots of Player functionality.
If you're regular Live user, why wouldn't you pre-order for 20% off?
The day its released it goes back to full price.

Also, sign up for the beta and you'll be able to use it in couple of days/weeks.
Do you know when its supposed to go Live (pun intended) ?

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Post 16 Nov 2023

bxbrkrz wrote:
16 Nov 2023
They have that 20% off on Black Friday, or twice a year regularly.
I doubt they'll do -20% off anytime soon for new version, though.
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freshkidblaze wrote:
16 Nov 2023
Do you know when its supposed to go Live (pun intended)?
You can sign up for beta and you should be "let in" within days / weeks. From my experience with beta-testing previous two versions, they're stable (as stable as Live is in general, that is :))

Full release will probably be around Feb '24, like it was with v10 and v11.
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Post 16 Nov 2023

antic604 wrote:
16 Nov 2023
bxbrkrz wrote:
16 Nov 2023
They have that 20% off on Black Friday, or twice a year regularly.
I doubt they'll do -20% off anytime soon for new version, though.
Black Friday 2024 I meant, for those who are patient enough to wait a little.
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Post 17 Nov 2023

Since 11 was a bit of a performance hog relative to 10, I’m reluctant to upgrade blind again. I think I’ll leave it and see how it’s doing in a year or so.

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Post 17 Nov 2023

From a short look this upgrade is pretty underwhelming for my taste. Sure some nice improvements, but nothing which makes me really excited for the new version.

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Post 23 Nov 2023

I have finally decided to add Ableton as a DAW to work with for live performances. I have been using Reason since ever, and combining it with a Nektar Panorama's Transport Looper, it has worked wonders. Given I am currently dependent on one solution I had to seek a more conventional way to fire sounds, beats and loops, as Reason was just not cutting it. I love Reason, the plethora of devices and sounds it offers, and with the Reason available as VST made this decision easier. I miss that I am not going to be able to use the combinator with VST's, however with Ableton this is still achievable.

Interesting times.

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