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jwd606
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Post 19 Nov 2020

QVprod wrote:
18 Nov 2020
Nonetheless here's the first music benchmark video. Only caveat is he compares to a top i9 iMac.

That mini is only only 8gb as well, so it seems, if you're using Logic at least, the M1 is a big leap forward.

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Post 19 Nov 2020

here is the Air M1 running about 94 tracks compare to the intel Air running only 8 tracks

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Post 19 Nov 2020

A Friend's M1 Macbook Air

Small Computer...,
HUGE Screen, it seems.
The Keys are Proper.
The Price is Right!
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... couple more days wait time, for the M1 MB-Pro
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Post 20 Nov 2020

Yeah, it looks great. Now the big question is how long it takes devs to start supporting M1. I'd like to see how Live and Reason work under Rosetta (because I'm not counting on either of them to support M1 for a year or so). I've heard that Native Access isn't working so that means no NI yet. No word on Arturia stuff.

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Post 20 Nov 2020

I'm shocked that the M1 beats my 6 core i7 in such a tiny computer. But I guess thats progress.

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Post 20 Nov 2020



Mac Mini 8gb model looks very impressive with Logic.

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Post 20 Nov 2020

flexluthor wrote:
20 Nov 2020
Yeah, it looks great. Now the big question is how long it takes devs to start supporting M1. I'd like to see how Live and Reason work under Rosetta (because I'm not counting on either of them to support M1 for a year or so). I've heard that Native Access isn't working so that means no NI yet. No word on Arturia stuff.
Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statement

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Post 20 Nov 2020

You! - Da Man! - Time to UPDATE from :essentials: #9. :redface:

Big Sur

We are happy to report that the following Reason Studios products are compatible with Apple's macOS Big Sur.

The following products are compatible with macOS Big Sur:

Reason Suite 11.3.4 and later (online authorization only)
Reason 11.3.4 and later (online authorization only)
Reason Intro 11.3.4 and later (online authorization only)
Reason Lite 11.3.4 and later (online authorization only)
Authorizer 2.11.2 and later

QVprod wrote:
20 Nov 2020
flexluthor wrote:
20 Nov 2020
Yeah, it looks great. Now the big question is how long it takes devs to start supporting M1. I'd like to see how Live and Reason work under Rosetta (because I'm not counting on either of them to support M1 for a year or so). I've heard that Native Access isn't working so that means no NI yet. No word on Arturia stuff.
Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statement

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Post 20 Nov 2020

QVprod wrote:
20 Nov 2020
Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statement
Wrong. macOS BigSur is supported, but the M1 chips are NOT: https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... 0017437959

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Post 20 Nov 2020

So what happens? Is this just Apple selling a computer on which nobody's software will currently run?

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Post 20 Nov 2020

EdGrip wrote:
20 Nov 2020
So what happens? Is this just Apple selling a computer on which nobody's software will currently run?
Sort of, yeah. It’ll support all the basics and of course Apple’s own software, but the cheap price tags they’re putting out there are mostly to start getting people onto the M1 based platform. It’ll be the people who just do web surfing, email, and maybe some spreadsheets at first. Power users... well, they don’t have enough M1 based hardware that would perform well for us anyway.

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Post 20 Nov 2020

:?: Did you Watch the Air vs Air M1 video linked :?:

✌ Power Users ✌. .... ✌ us ✌
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DJMaytag wrote:
20 Nov 2020
[ Power users... well, they don’t have enough M1 based hardware that would perform well for us anyway.

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Post 20 Nov 2020

DJMaytag wrote:
20 Nov 2020
QVprod wrote:
20 Nov 2020
Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statement
Wrong. macOS BigSur is supported, but the M1 chips are NOT: https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... 0017437959
Ah good catch! I missed that spot. Apologies!
EdGrip wrote:
20 Nov 2020
So what happens? Is this just Apple selling a computer on which nobody's software will currently run?
At the moment sort of. Some programs will work. They'll all catch up eventually though. But honestly that's just about every operating system with Apple anyway so to us users it's almost about the same. Buying a new mac on release is less than ideal for that reason. We always have to wait for compatibility. In a few months most things will be compatible.

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Post 20 Nov 2020

DJMaytag wrote:
20 Nov 2020
EdGrip wrote:
20 Nov 2020
So what happens? Is this just Apple selling a computer on which nobody's software will currently run?
Sort of, yeah. It’ll support all the basics and of course Apple’s own software, but the cheap price tags they’re putting out there are mostly to start getting people onto the M1 based platform. It’ll be the people who just do web surfing, email, and maybe some spreadsheets at first. Power users... well, they don’t have enough M1 based hardware that would perform well for us anyway.
This isn't really correct. The M1 will run almost anything Intel Macs can today (the only exceptions are kernel extensions) via Rosetta 2. The question has been more whether it will run existing software well, which so far appears to be a resounding yes.

Initial reports running Reason on the M1 using Rosetta are very positive: viewtopic.php?p=526172#p526172
Genuinely, I am amazed at how Reason ran, through a translation layer to the M1 chip and absolutely hammered an Intel MacBook Pro and another Intel MacBook Air that I have here.
The takeaway is that it appears the combination of the M1's power and Rosetta 2's optimization will get you performance comparable to a recent MacBook Pro on software that was not built for Apple Silicon, which is honestly kind of amazing.
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Post 20 Nov 2020

It looks like they made sure there's enough performance headroom to compensate for most penalties incurred by x86>ARM64 translation. In many cases Rosetta 2 translation still manages to outperform native on Intel. Pretty impressive. And these are just the entry level models. It will be even more interesting to see what happens when they start scaling these chips up to the more "pro" machines without the 10-15 watt power constraints.

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Post 21 Nov 2020

Mad that these tests are coming from the Air, where passive cooling can only take you so far - especially when the heat sink is the poorly ventilated, horizontal half of the laptop.

It sounds like these are going to be a major problem for Intel once they've bedded in and reached the pro machines.
Will Intel/AMD bring a competitive system-on-chip device to market?

Interesting tho, cos the Intel and AMD CPUs were really getting to a ceiling. And now this. Exciting times for computers ahead!

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Post 21 Nov 2020

A test using the 16gb Macbook model - https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... -logic-pro
Mac Pro 5.1 3.46 GHz 12 core 32GB - 315 Space Designers
MacBook Pro 2.4GHz 8 Core i9 32GB - 210 Space Designers
iMac 5K Retina 27" Late 2017, 4GHz Quad Core i7 32GB - 210 Space Designers
MacBook Pro 13" M1 2020 16GB - 435 Space Designers

As you can see a new MacBook Pro M1 can run over twice as many Space Designers as a fully loaded Intel MacBook Pro i9.

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Post 21 Nov 2020

1/2 the Price of my old 15" MBPs! More power than an i9 :?: :shock: Awesome!
jwd606 wrote:
21 Nov 2020
As you can see a new MacBook Pro M1 can run over twice as many Space Designers as a fully loaded Intel MacBook Pro i9.
The MBP M1 13" Landed :puf_bigsmile: . It gets fired up today.

Hopefully, The Audio Tools apps work.. but, no rush :puf_bigsmile:
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Should the Thor APP work... :?:
I just want to test it.
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(For the record, my ... :puf_unhappy: "/" KEY is crapped out.... so.... :?:

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Post 21 Nov 2020

I did say I wouldn't have a laptop with a screen smaller than 17", but I can see I might have to revise the rule at some point.

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Post 23 Nov 2020

Another nail in Intel's coffin. Thank you Apple :puf_smile: :thumbs_up:

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Post 01 Dec 2020

M1 MBP 13" vs MBP 16"


M1 MBP 13"

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EdGrip wrote:
21 Nov 2020
Mad that these tests are coming from the Air, where passive cooling can only take you so far - especially when the heat sink is the poorly ventilated, horizontal half of the laptop.
Well, apparently most test show that the difference in performance between M1 Air vs. 13'' MBP is negligible and temperatures aren't an issue - Air gets perhaps 10 deg (Celsius) higher, but still 20-30deg lower than, aggressively cooled equivalent Intel! The popular verdict is to go with M1 Air and save $300 in the process, unless someone is really keen on a brighter screen, touchbar, a bit bigger touchpad and likely better speakers (which can be valid reasons, of course).

Although if I were even considering a MBP, I'd wait for the M1X 16'' next year with - rumoured - 12 cores + probably a higher clock speeds. Maybe Reason will be native by then, too ;)
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Post Yesterday

Yeah same. 16" screen minimuuuuuum.
I don't really understand 13" laptops.

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EdGrip wrote:
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I don't really understand 13" laptops.
Having used 12.3'' Surface Pro for couple of years I have to say it's not a problem for me, provided the GUI is sharp and flexible to arrange how I want it or at least so that it doesn't waste space. And it was a matter of convenience and necessity for me, as I don't have a dedicated studio - just a laptop, pair of headphones and small controller.
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