Logic 10.5 is Out!!!

[jwd606]

The RRP doesn't work in GarageBand.

The RRP does work in Garageband.

[joeyluck]

The RRP doesn't work in GarageBand.

The RRP does work in Garageband.

Sorry, poor wording on my part.

The RRP is not fully supported in GarageBand. Rack Extensions do not work with it (which is a huge thing) and there's a few other quirks and things that don't work.

[teddymcw]

Looks like there is some really interesting stuff in Logic that makes important things like transitions, groove matching and video syncing relatively easy. I may be prompted to mess around with this despite the draining time investment.

Does anyone know if one can access the Reason Rack from Garageband?

What are the killer features of Logic that anyone is finding just incomparably better than or even not doable at all in Reason?

For me it's MPE support. But even GarageBand has MPE support.

Also video support and score edit.

Interesting, makes sense based on past references. The DAW War has my head spinning, esp coming from Reason which does things differently for better and worse.

Looks like a near total convergence is coming sooner than later anyways.

[Steedus]

Can the Reason Drum Sequencer do the thing with reversing playback for individual lanes? I haven't had a chance to play around with it much yet.

It cannot, AFAIK is only possible if you print to the sequencer and use the midi notes reverse function.

Just wanted to pop back to say it does! I watched the intro/tutorial video again and there it is. Can even do the pendulum thing (forward and reverse etc), and you can shorten lanes. Gotta start using this thing!

[miscend]

It cannot, AFAIK is only possible if you print to the sequencer and use the midi notes reverse function.

Just wanted to pop back to say it does! I watched the intro/tutorial video again and there it is. Can even do the pendulum thing (forward and reverse etc), and you can shorten lanes. Gotta start using this thing!

You are right it does. I hadn't used it in ages.

[stp2015]

Interesting to see how much "inspiration" Apple have drawn from Ableton and Reason. The quick sampler is very clearly a much improved mix of simpler and recycle, and the new "drum designer" is apart from the graphics very clearly inspired by Kong (also named drum designer). It has per-pad drum synths like kong, and it basically has a more flexible version of nurse rex using the quick sampler.

I wish Reason had a non-destructive sample slicer like quick sampler, that immediately maps the slices to the Keyboard. It also has time-stretch built in, and every pad can also be played chromatically if you go to its own lane in the sequencer. I am really torn here. I love Reason, but some things in Logic are so good now!

[EdwardKiy]

So, in 2020 Logic finally has slightly beefed up Kong, NNXT and NN19 functionality? Cutting edge stuff. Congrats to them, I guess.

[Yonatan]

So, in 2020 Logic finally has slightly beefed up Kong, NNXT and NN19 functionality? Cutting edge stuff. Congrats to them, I guess.

And in some way Reason got its own form of Drummer with the Beat Map, but in a more experimental approach, just as it should be. Nice to see they are being inspired by one another, but they all do it in their own ways.

[stp2015]

Don't understand the grinch video

Either way, I would really like to have such an updated sampler. You are right, much of it already exists within Reason, so it should be easy for them to do such an update.

[hurricane]

I find it funny but sad that Logic has a slicer, when the guys who practically invented slicing don't have one in their rack. DR OCTOREX is just a playback device. Quick Sampler is very Reasony, and you can even record into it. It should have been a Reason device a LONG time ago.

I just hope this lights some sort of fire under Reason Studios' butts. Most likely it won't. We'll get at the most 5 new features in R12, and all the Reason fanatics are going to be overly enthusiastically jumping for joy at goddamn track folders. And they'll of course be pointing out that all the "new" features are features that Reason sorely needed to catch up with the rest, making it the BEST REASON UPDATE EVER!.

[diminished]

I find it funny but sad that Logic has a slicer, when the guys who practically invented slicing don't have one in their rack. DR OCTOREX is just a playback device. Quick Sampler is very Reasony, and you can even record into it. It should have been a Reason device a LONG time ago.

I just hope this lights some sort of fire under Reason Studios' butts. Most likely it won't. We'll get at the most 5 new features in R12, and all the Reason fanatics are going to be overly enthusiastically jumping for joy at goddamn track folders. And they'll of course be pointing out that all the "new" features are features that Reason sorely needed to catch up with the rest, making it the BEST REASON UPDATE EVER!.

(inb4 someone calls you entitled, "stop whining" or tells you to move on with your life )

[Yonatan]

I find it funny but sad that Logic has a slicer, when the guys who practically invented slicing don't have one in their rack. DR OCTOREX is just a playback device. Quick Sampler is very Reasony, and you can even record into it. It should have been a Reason device a LONG time ago.

I just hope this lights some sort of fire under Reason Studios' butts. Most likely it won't. We'll get at the most 5 new features in R12, and all the Reason fanatics are going to be overly enthusiastically jumping for joy at goddamn track folders. And they'll of course be pointing out that all the "new" features are features that Reason sorely needed to catch up with the rest, making it the BEST REASON UPDATE EVER!.

Spot on!
And the unspoken rule that you must by all means state "I do really love Reason and been loyal. since..." to even say anything obviously objective fair points that dont just praise RS.
And even when stating "I love Reason" you get a shit storm of accuses from the Reason Orthodox Religion.

Did I just forget to mention I do really love Reason DAW?

But Logic just makes more and more sense.

[teddymcw]

I've been trialing Logic since 10.5, tho I've had just enough time for a few small sessions thus far. There's definitely some 'wow, this is so much easier and/or cleaner feeling' flows in there, I've very much been enjoying it. The auto-drummer tweaking features are pretty amazing for getting jams and ideas down, esp for guitar and voice riffing imho. I haven't played with BeatMap just yet, great to hear it's a smiliar thing but from what I've seen I don't think it's quite as flexible or aimed at tweaking live sounding drum grooves as the Logic drummer. Reason def does stimulate more excitement and endless possiblities in my brain but I personally can get overly excited and messy. I've also been in Reason forever now without giving another DAW a go, so practicing away from home is a culture shock but refreshing as well.

I feel they are a great compliment to each other these days. Especially since the RRP update I feel like to DAWs and humans alike we can say, "hey family, we can all get along now, yahh."

[fieldframe]

Having used the trial for awhile, I came to the conclusion that Logic isn't for me, at least for now.

It was certainly a rough start. After a couple of different tutorials and seemingly half an hour of menu diving to get tap tempo working, I gained a better appreciation of what the "pro" in Logic Pro means. The app is vast. I felt kind of like I'd been set loose in a big studio with no head engineer, and had to admit that despite everything I've picked up over a number of years, I'm no engineer myself.

If I were putting together a studio, I'd absolutely go with Logic. But as a bedroom producer working in the box... it's way, way more than I need. The low price is deceptive. Even the bundled instruments and effects, which are tempting, aren't really something I need given that's the one area I'm already spoilt for between the Reason Rack Plugin, Arturia, and other VSTs.

Ironically, this story ends with me buying Ableton Live. I'd wanted to get into a clip-based workflow for some time, and I wanted to wait to see what Logic offered first before upgrading from Live Lite. Logic's Live Loops are an interesting take on Session View, and I like some of the decisions Apple made, but it also made me realize I prefer how Ableton does it. And it's wild just how much simpler Live is versus Logic – it literally feels like it has 1% of the complexity.

Ableton feels like software designed primarily for working in the box, that can expand to become the center of a studio if you need it. Logic is the other way around: It feels like software primarily for bringing a whole studio together, that can work just in the box if you're away from the studio.

[tronam]

Having used the trial for awhile, I came to the conclusion that Logic isn't for me, at least for now.

It was certainly a rough start. After a couple of different tutorials and seemingly half an hour of menu diving to get tap tempo working, I gained a better appreciation of what the "pro" in Logic Pro means. The app is vast. I felt kind of like I'd been set loose in a big studio with no head engineer, and had to admit that despite everything I've picked up over a number of years, I'm no engineer myself.

If I were putting together a studio, I'd absolutely go with Logic. But as a bedroom producer working in the box... it's way, way more than I need. The low price is deceptive. Even the bundled instruments and effects, which are tempting, aren't really something I need given that's the one area I'm already spoilt for between the Reason Rack Plugin, Arturia, and other VSTs.

Ironically, this story ends with me buying Ableton Live. I'd wanted to get into a clip-based workflow for some time, and I wanted to wait to see what Logic offered first before upgrading from Live Lite. Logic's Live Loops are an interesting take on Session View, and I like some of the decisions Apple made, but it also made me realize I prefer how Ableton does it. And it's wild just how much simpler Live is versus Logic – it literally feels like it has 1% of the complexity.

Ableton feels like software designed primarily for working in the box, that can expand to become the center of a studio if you need it. Logic is the other way around: It feels like software primarily for bringing a whole studio together, that can work just in the box if you're away from the studio.

Yeah, DAWs like Logic, Cubase, ProTools and Digital Performer all share an old school lineage built on decades of feature creep. Though beloved by veterans for their depth and flexibility, the barrier to entry has gotten thicker and thicker over the years. I seem to return to Cubase every few years or so and always have to spend several hours trying to relearn how to use it. Ableton Live's flat minimalist design ethos is probably one of the boldest repudiations of typical DAW complexity and industry skeuomorphism that's ever been successfully pulled off. It's kind of amazing how successful it has been and I like that Ableton has tried to preserve their aesthetic over the years as they add new functionality. I've written a lot of music in Live, but still prefer Logic for scoring projects and is what I used most of the time these days (now using Reason as a plug-in).