Will Ryzen make AMD great again?

[Kaosis]

Also, Enoch, I notice that your build uses an Intel

Yeah, as mentioned earlier in this thread, I switched over to building with Intel after the Athlon 64 X2 series, like 12 years ago. I hope that AMD comes out swinging, too. Competition is good!

That's my bad, didn't mean to call you out after you called yourself out. But yeah, I speak with my wallet

[bxbrkrz]

[EnochLight]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc8ktfVKGp4

I can't sit through an almost 12 minute video watching some dude play a game. Wish "MaDz Gaming" would just post the link to his source in the comment section.

* Edit - just saw the link in his notes. Here it is:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-full-line ... ds-leaked/

[bxbrkrz]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc8ktfVKGp4

I can't sit through an almost 12 minute video watching some dude play a game. Wish "MaDz Gaming" would just post the link to his source in the comment section.

* Edit - just saw the link in his notes. Here it is:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-full-line ... ds-leaked/

I listen while I open another tab. If Ryzen is 10 15% slower than a 7700K (single thread) the cpu will be a home run.

[EnochLight]

I listen while I open another tab. If Ryzen is 10 15% slower than a 7700K (single thread) the cpu will be a home run.

For single thread?? Um... how so? The Intel i7 7700K sells for $349 USD new. The Ryzen 1700X that is slower in single thread performance will sell for $389 USD...

For gaming/single thread, the Intel 7700K is a clear winner and better choice. And oddly enough - less expensive!

[bxbrkrz]

I listen while I open another tab. If Ryzen is 10 15% slower than a 7700K (single thread) the cpu will be a home run.

For single thread?? Um... how so? The Intel i7 7700K sells for $349 USD new. The Ryzen 1700X that is slower in single thread performance will sell for $389 USD...

For gaming/single thread, the Intel 7700K is a clear winner and better choice. And oddly enough - less expensive!

A 7700k Z270 system is what I was planning to build in Jan 2017, but I am not a hardcore gamer. I decided to wait a couple of months. If I compare the 1800(X) or 1700(X) to a 6800K, 6850X or 6950K, it will be a home run for me and my $1600 (max) build budget. Who knows I may even go Vega a few months later. If Ryzen is bad then I already know what to get.

[EnochLight]

A 7700k Z270 system is what I was planning to build in Jan 2017, but I am not a hardcore gamer. I decided to wait a couple of months. If I compare the 1800(X) or 1700(X) to a 6800K, 6850X or 6950K, it will be a home run for me and my $1600 (max) build budget. Who knows I may even go Vega a few months later. If Ryzen is bad then I already know what to get.

Fair enough, but Ryzen certainly won't be a home run for single-thread (read: gaming) performance if you're comparing the i7 7700K and Ryzen 1700X, just saying. I mean, unless you enjoy spending more money for less performance, that is. But in multi-threaded performance, the 1700X seems like a no-brainer.

[bxbrkrz]

A 7700k Z270 system is what I was planning to build in Jan 2017, but I am not a hardcore gamer. I decided to wait a couple of months. If I compare the 1800(X) or 1700(X) to a 6800K, 6850X or 6950K, it will be a home run for me and my $1600 (max) build budget. Who knows I may even go Vega a few months later. If Ryzen is bad then I already know what to get.

Fair enough, but Ryzen certainly won't be a home run for single-thread (read: gaming) performance if you're comparing the i7 7700K and Ryzen 1700X, just saying. I mean, unless you enjoy spending more money for less performance, that is. But in multi-threaded performance, the 1700X seems like a no-brainer.

I agree, if a 4 core cpu for gaming is all you need, and a 1080. That's why I compared Ryzen with Intel's 8 core cpus, supposedly AMD's main target. If I am around 4GHZ for Reason (single core) and I can wait a bit less for prototyping my ideas in Blender (multi core) then it would be a better deal than a 6900K/X99. People playing Overwatch all day long may not buy a Ryzen cpu. But people playing Overwatch (single core) all day and live streaming it on Twitch (multi core), may. We shall see.

[bxbrkrz]

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[Bonkhead]

Aye neetz moar korres !!!

Looks like the ryzen 1700 cinebench scores double the i7 3770 score i'm using now for a couple of years.
With double the cores I would think Reason will profit from this immensely, I'm hitting my cpu limits regularly on 4096 latency for the last 3 months.

Funny to see intel's prices drop 25%-30% since ryzens presentation.

[EnochLight]

Aye neetz moar korres !!!

Looks like the ryzen 1700 cinebench scores double the i7 3770 score i'm using now for a couple of years.
With double the cores I would think Reason will profit from this immensely, I'm hitting my cpu limits regularly on 4096 latency for the last 3 months.

Yeah, my 3770k has been feeling long in the tooth for quite some time now. I most definitely have my eye on that Ryzen 1700+, or perhaps the 1800x.

Funny to see intel's prices drop 25%-30% since ryzens presentation.

And this is why I'm so glad AMD are at least still trying. Competition is good - everyone (consumers) wins!

[bxbrkrz]

Aye neetz moar korres !!!

Looks like the ryzen 1700 cinebench scores double the i7 3770 score i'm using now for a couple of years.
With double the cores I would think Reason will profit from this immensely, I'm hitting my cpu limits regularly on 4096 latency for the last 3 months.

Yeah, my 3770k has been feeling long in the tooth for quite some time now. I most definitely have my eye on that Ryzen 1700+, or perhaps the 1800x.

Funny to see intel's prices drop 25%-30% since ryzens presentation.

And this is why I'm so glad AMD are at least still trying. Competition is good - everyone (consumers) wins!

It seems Intel wasn't prepared for Ryzen/price ratio.

[Bonkhead]

They are just trying to slightly sabotage the benchmark comparisons which will show up after march 2nd.

[gak]

NEW and IMPROVED HYPE!

Yes kiddies, never mind that it's "16" core, or that it's at least as expensive as the current kick-ass intel, BELIEVE THE HYPE!

HYPE MACHINE, comin' at cha, gettin' ya dough, making ya buy new windoze and mobo's and shit.

(yawn)

If this is the "intel killer" that is so hyped, then I'm bored. I'm not saying it sucks, but the hype is overwhelming.

[EnochLight]

NEW and IMPROVED HYPE!

Yes kiddies, never mind that it's "16" core, or that it's at least as expensive as the current kick-ass intel, BELIEVE THE HYPE!

HYPE MACHINE, comin' at cha, gettin' ya dough, making ya buy new windoze and mobo's and shit.

(yawn)

If this is the "intel killer" that is so hyped, then I'm bored. I'm not saying it sucks, but the hype is overwhelming.

Well, to be fair - this is the first time since the old Athlon series that AMD has met or bested Intel in performance for a much better price. It's also the first time in history that AMD has done proper SSE/Hyperthreading. It's a big deal. Hard not to get hyped about this, especially seeing as how Intel will respond. This doesn't happen very often...

[bxbrkrz]

[bxbrkrz]

[Vyckeil]

Multi-threading is used to the fullest with creation software, including modern DAWs and the likes. The new Ryzen CPU is a really good choice if you want to upgrade. The only weakness it has is in single-threaded software and gaming, so be warned.

I'm seriously considering updating my 2600K with the 1800X, or even the 1700X. Going to wait a bit for more benchmarks to come out and the platform to mature a bit more. The main reason why I spend so much on my computer is mainly for audio, and Ryzen fits the bill beautifully.

[EnochLight]

Multi-threading is used to the fullest with creation software, including modern DAWs and the likes. The new Ryzen CPU is a really good choice if you want to upgrade. The only weakness it has is in single-threaded software and gaming, so be warned.

I'm seriously considering updating my 2600K with the 1800X, or even the 1700X. Going to wait a bit for more benchmarks to come out and the platform to mature a bit more. The main reason why I spend so much on my computer is mainly for audio, and Ryzen fits the bill beautifully.

Indeed. I'm holding out a few months for the CPUbenchmark.net reports to start flowing in. Once I can compare real-world numbers out in the wild, I'll make an informed decision for my next build. I figure 2-3 months of cpubenchmark.net scores, and I'll feel a lot better.

These marketing videos and the general "hype" machine can sometimes blur the lines quite a bit.

[tronam]

This thread fills me with such nostalgia thinking back on all the custom PC systems I used to build, upgrading to the latest AMD processor every year and continually swapping out components to maximize optimal performance. I've been in peaceful Mac land for the past 8 years, but it's kind of tempting to come full circle and put together a brand new PC around Ryzen. If only I didn't have to run Windows.

[EnochLight]

This thread fills me with such nostalgia thinking back on all the custom PC systems I used to build, upgrading to the latest AMD processor every year and continually swapping out components to maximize optimal performance. I've been in peaceful Mac land for the past 8 years, but it's kind of tempting to come full circle and put together a brand new PC around Ryzen. If only I didn't have to run Windows.

LOL! Yeah, it's nice to be able to just buy a piece of hardware and get as much life out of it as physically possible. When you love the OS you're on, that makes it even easier. I'm on the same desktop build approaching 5 years now, and while I like the current OS in its current state (Windows 10 Pro build 14393.693), there's been some bumps. I built this machine with Windows 7, immediately updated to Windows 8, before finally settling on Windows 10. Suffice to say, it wasn't always smooth sailing.

If I could get 8 years out of this build, it would truly be a miracle!

[bxbrkrz]

Multi-threading is used to the fullest with creation software, including modern DAWs and the likes. The new Ryzen CPU is a really good choice if you want to upgrade. The only weakness it has is in single-threaded software and gaming, so be warned.

I'm seriously considering updating my 2600K with the 1800X, or even the 1700X. Going to wait a bit for more benchmarks to come out and the platform to mature a bit more. The main reason why I spend so much on my computer is mainly for audio, and Ryzen fits the bill beautifully.

I'll wait a bit, maybe a month so they get the Bios in check. The 1800x or 1700X are really for me. I am not a gamer but it is still plenty of power for me and my steam collection. If you are a big gamer then the 7700K would be a better choice.

[jukey23]

I've read through this thread and I am glad to see actual music producers talking about this.
I am about to build a rig and my toughest decision has been the cpu. I bought an intel mobo yesterday (Asus prime z270-ar) and thought i had made up my mind to go 7700k.
I have just watched a lot of videos on the comparison between the 1700 and the 7700k...one guy said something will have me returning my mobo and going with Ryzen. Basically that I can do the 7700k for NOW...2017...for gaming especially. But if I want something that will just get better over time and will be for now AND 3-5 years from now, 1700 is the way to go. Also worth mentioning that this youtuber (Tech Deals) goes into the 1700 being the best bang for buck over the 1700x and 1800x. Basically said the percentage increase in performance is around 10%, so not really worth it.
Now I game...but the newest game I own is...uh...i don't even know! I got a ton of Steam games and the most demanding is probably civ 5 or the FIRST Dead Space lol
But I do want to get Fallout 4, Civ 6, and I play huge Minecraft modpacks (like over 100 mods). But my thing is, i have not played at 60 FPS...like ever. And these videos I'm seeing showing all these high FPS like 120 and such...you have the people who call 60 almost 'unplayable' or not good. For ME...60 is so much better than anything I've known and I will take it happily. I'll be buying the RX 480 for my gpu. Done deal.
So the small gain 7700k has with gaming, is not important to me anymore.

What I need is DAW comparisons.
So now with benchmarks out...and possibly some of you even having the Ryzens now...what do you think?
I'm upgrading to Reason 9 from 6.5 now because I can run it finally. I use lots of insert fx, but honestly I probably load about 10 combinators at most.
However, I want the ABILITY to use Reason for anything that may arise. If I get crazy, I want to be able to do it without Reason crapping out.
Anyone have any final arguments to do the $350 (amazon) 7700k over the $330 1700?
I mean Propellerhead's sys requirements even shouts with exclamation points MORE CORES THE BETTER!
Hold my hand and tell me what to do. Yes, I've asked this many times with many people...but never with fellow music producers and most importantly Reason users!