Will Ryzen make AMD great again?

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15 Mar 2017

EnochLight wrote:
Lizard wrote:Curious - why bother with onboard audio? No one uses that for audio production (typically). At least if they can help it! ;) If you do use the onboard audio, are you going to install something like ASIO4ALL? I'm guessing stock drivers are going to offer horrible latency on any platform, no matter how many cores or clock rate, with those Realtek chips.

That said, your case looks like a monster - wow! Also, I forgot that you're going to go liquid cooling... NICE! Planning to overclock at all? :D
Well... because I am curious. :) I assume there are people that play with onboard audio so I'd like to have the complete spectrum. It's not what I'd use but worth testing as a baseline. Also... (head hung low).... the FireWire in last PC was built into motherboard. Thought it was a card but that was an even older PC that is not PCI Express so it will not install. So an order has been made for a new card this time with 400/800. I haven't found anything out there to say if Thunderbolt cards work with these AMD boards so I'm staying away for now. That test unfortunately will be a few days off.

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Lizard wrote:Also... (head hung low).... the FireWire in last PC was built into motherboard. Thought it was a card but that was an even older PC that is not PCI Express so it will not install. So an order has been made for a new card this time with 400/800.
Make sure it's a TI chipset, otherwise it's probably useless.
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Lizard wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
Lizard wrote:Curious - why bother with onboard audio? No one uses that for audio production (typically). At least if they can help it! ;) If you do use the onboard audio, are you going to install something like ASIO4ALL? I'm guessing stock drivers are going to offer horrible latency on any platform, no matter how many cores or clock rate, with those Realtek chips.

That said, your case looks like a monster - wow! Also, I forgot that you're going to go liquid cooling... NICE! Planning to overclock at all? :D
Well... because I am curious. :) I assume there are people that play with onboard audio so I'd like to have the complete spectrum. It's not what I'd use but worth testing as a baseline. Also... (head hung low).... the FireWire in last PC was built into motherboard. Thought it was a card but that was an even older PC that is not PCI Express so it will not install. So an order has been made for a new card this time with 400/800. I haven't found anything out there to say if Thunderbolt cards work with these AMD boards so I'm staying away for now. That test unfortunately will be a few days off.
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bxbrkrz wrote:Crosshair VI Hero: too much for a DAW?
Nothing is ever too much for a DAW. ;)

My current board is an Asus Sabertooth Z77 with TUF Thermal Armor and military-grade capacitors, and I spent about the same amount for it as the Crosshair VI Hero is going for. It's been running for 4 & 1/2 years straight and been powered on 24/7/365 (as it does double-duty as my family media server).
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EnochLight wrote:
bxbrkrz wrote:Crosshair VI Hero: too much for a DAW?
Nothing is ever too much for a DAW. ;)

My current board is an Asus Sabertooth Z77 with TUF Thermal Armor and military-grade capacitors, and I spent about the same amount for it as the Crosshair VI Hero is going for. It's been running for 4 & 1/2 years straight and been powered on 24/7/365 (as it does double-duty as my family media server).
Funny, the Tuf Z270 Mark 1 was the board I was planning to purchase now that I remember, before the Ryzen insanity. :D
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bxbrkrz wrote: Funny, the Tuf Z270 Mark 1 was the board I was planning to purchase now that I remember, before the Ryzen insanity. :D
I really do love their TUF series. Even if the Thermal Armor is a marketing gimmick, it just looks - SWEET. Motherboards have come such a long way from the early days of DIY builds (when everything was green PCB and paper thin)! :lol: :puf_bigsmile: ;)
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bxbrkrz wrote: Funny, the Tuf Z270 Mark 1 was the board I was planning to purchase now that I remember, before the Ryzen insanity. :D
I really do love their TUF series. Even if the Thermal Armor is a marketing gimmick, it just looks - SWEET. Motherboards have come such a long way from the early days of DIY builds (when everything was green PCB and paper thin)! :lol: :puf_bigsmile: ;)
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24 Mar 2017

So the cute bears put together an overly techy try to be funny video that says what we already know.

It doesn't suck, but it's not the second coming of christ.

I'm sticking with intel.

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Kaveri does games with the graphic quality of ff13 lightning returns at a max of 4k 15-24fps.
So I am curious to see how this performs in comparison.

Since I also am not an intel fan outside of mobile this hopefully will be an 8k capable build.
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He makes a compelling case not to buy the 1800x. Good watch!
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EnochLight wrote:
He makes a compelling case not to buy the 1800x. Good watch!
Yes. This is generation one anyway. Ryzen 2 next year might be another story.
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Like I discussed earlier I built a Ryzen 1700X PC with an ASUS Prime X370 motherboard. I put 32GB of DDR4 2667 Ram in it with a Mushkin 1TB solid state. Stolen from my previous PC I took my GeForce 1060 Graphics card. Aside from some delays I experienced in my professional life I've had it up and running for about 5 days. So far all is going great. I have not bench-marked any of this or have comparative numbers to my old pc (which isn't worth comparing to anyway). For this I will only comment on my personal experiences and what I can observe.

The build went together fairly easy. After connecting all that I wanted to it it went to BIOS on first attempt. The BIOS for the motherboard is great. It has nice visuals and laid out well. The case I chose which is a (very) full tower is a lot quiter than it looks. If anything in there makes noise it is the video card during gaming. Other than that pretty quiet. I installed Windows 10 64-bit Pro. From BIOS to Desktop it loads in slightly over 20 seconds. But here are things people may like to know.

Getting gaming out of the I have to admit my card is the weak link here but it is really hard with me to buy a $4-600 card when there is more audio stuff to spend money on. :) That said I am running for most games on 1920x1080 at ultra settings and haven't had any performance degradation yet. I haven't clocked how many frames but at the end of the day its visually stunning and no stuttering video. If I'm running 100 frames where I might be running 115 on another processor I don't think I could tell the difference. For me Fallout 4 is slick as snot and The Division is smooth.

My sound device is a Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DSP running on FireWire 800. Admittingly I ran all available lowest settings available on the unit which was 44.1khz at 64 samples to 96khz at 64 samples and on my project I did not hear any degradation is sound quality. Sixty four samples seems to be the lowest I can run here and does not give me less. That said 64 is low and at 96khz that (to me) is impressive and way more than I have been able to do. It by no means a stress test though only the most heavy of tracks and sample projects I have. I'll be glad to run a stressful file if someone has one.

What I have truly enjoyed is its multi-tasking ability though. I put it to the test yesterday where I decided to load one of my larger UVI sample libraries from the web, convert a video stream to MKV and play a few minutes of "No Man's Sky" while I wait. I thought I'd see a great reduction in frame rate on the game but I didn't. There may have been a quick pause in there during a disc access moment but not noticeable really.

Overall I'm happy with the system and way more than I've ever had. So for Reason it seems to work fine. I'm not going to label it an Intel killer but also won't state that I think that it's inferior for which it isn't. I just know it wasn't a killer on my wallet as a comparable system would have been with another chip.

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Lizard wrote:Overall I'm happy with the system and way more than I've ever had. So for Reason it seems to work fine. I'm not going to label it an Intel killer but also won't state that I think that it's inferior for which it isn't. I just know it wasn't a killer on my wallet as a comparable system would have been with another chip.
Thanks dude - at the end of the day - this is what matters. Great info! I'll most certainly consider this build when I upgrade my system.
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I would really appreciate a stress test to check CCX latency. It's the only thing that I need to know before jumping the gun.

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As a current owner of a 3770k build, this video makes it really tempting. I would expect Reason performance improvements to be just as good as what he's showing in FL Studio.

That said, there's a few concerns I have. For starters, his current overclock is running at + 156 F, which is practically cooking his Ryzen, IMHO. When I overclock my 3770k to 4.2 Ghz (average), my chip stays at a cool 98 F, and that's on air cooling! I also wish he had run a comparison without overclocking his 3770k or Ryzen build, just to have an apples-to-apples comparison for stock clock speeds.

Still, memory clock issues aside, the performance while overclocking is impressive, to say the least.

* EDIT: wait a minute.... did he do these tests using Asus' integrated (read: SHIT) Realtek audio???!!!!
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I'm always blown away by certain things that people latch onto and try so hard to make a big deal about. I realize people don't want to hear the truth (especially from me), but the ryzen should blow away the 3770, it's 5 years old.

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gak wrote:I'm always blown away by certain things that people latch onto and try so hard to make a big deal about. I realize people don't want to hear the truth (especially from me), but the ryzen should blow away the 3770, it's 5 years old.
Yeah exactly, comparing a 3770 to a current gen CPU is plain stupid.
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gak wrote:I'm always blown away by certain things that people latch onto and try so hard to make a big deal about. I realize people don't want to hear the truth (especially from me), but the ryzen should blow away the 3770, it's 5 years old.
Gorgon wrote:Yeah exactly, comparing a 3770 to a current gen CPU is plain stupid.
Eh, not necessarily. The 3770k was an extremely popular processor, and there's a lot of people still on that 5 year old chip (I'm one of them). We've all already been shown that Ryzen performs close to Intel's current offering that costs twice as much. It's helpful for those of us on these older chips to see how it compares.

If I've got $350-$500 USD to spend on a new CPU, what are my options for best bang-for-buck? So far, everything we've been show about Ryzen indicates that it may be a good choice as an option. In the past, it's always been pretty black and white: Intel has always dominated AMD in performance. Now we have an option that cost 50% of Intel's offering at 85% of the performance. Or have you forgotten about that whole part?
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My point was that if I was going to buy a new computer, I'd be looking at a 58x0 or a 7700, or something along those lines (which are in a samish price point)

I have no doubt that ryzen is better than my 4770k, but HOW much better?

There seems to be a wheel-go-round about true neck/neck performance in a similar price point.

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Preferred AMD over intel since the ati days personally.
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