Will Ryzen make AMD great again?

[bxbrkrz]

Preferred AMD over intel since the ati days personally.

[Faxxer]

My guess is no, Intel will just announce some new tech that they have been sitting on for 10 years that will blow AMD back to the stone age. Sadly no one can really compete with Intel so they don't have to inovate much, they can do minor incremental updates and charge a fortune.

That's why I don't buy Intel....they're overpriced.

[Faxxer]

Once you've had a 950 Pro NVme (or one would likely go for the 960 now), you'd never go back to basic SSD on SATA3.

So true - and this is one of the big reasons why I'm not totally sold on AMD's new Ryzen. My next build will definitely utilize an NVMe approach for my main system drive, and I must have 100% rock solid support for it. 3500 MBps reads/2100 MBps writes is the stuff of legend!

The "100% rock solid support" part tends to be a problem with AMD and things of this nature, unless their track record has improved these past years...

you guys are crazy... I've built over 50 workstations with AMD cpus and not one single machine crashes or dies or acts up....just hard drives and power supplies die like normal. I guess matching the right hardware is what really matters perhaps edit... change 50 to about 100 machines all with AMD cpus...they're ROCK SOLID like the .....insert imaginative noun here edit again... i'm talking for offices and customers who don't want to spend 3k on a system...but 800 to 1200....AMD Owns that market share in my opinion unless you want limited systems for 400 bucks from dell
I only build 3 year warranty systems for my customers so I get parts that have a 3 year warranty as well...They don't crash at all, never lost a cpu or RAM ... these are not gaming rigs, just workstations for offices like lawfirms and dr offices.

[JiggeryPokery]

New system is up and running.

AMD Ryzen 1800X
NZXT (I keep writing NNXT ) Kraken X62 AIO
Asus Crosshair VI X370
32GB Corsair Vengeance 3200Mhz
MSI GTX 1070
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB NVMe SSD
Toshiba X300 6TB HDD
Corsair K70 Cherry Brown
SteelSeries Rival 300 mouse
Be Quiet Dark Base 900 Pro with BeQuiet 850W PSU
E-mu 1616m PCIe



So far three issues. The now notorious inability to set the correct RAM speed: I'm currently stuck at 2133MHz, though this was well signposted in advance so I'm not disappointed here yet, but Asus have push to update the BIOS to fix it in good time or there'll be troub! Same with the 4GHz turbo mode too; not managed to see any sign of it going beyond 3.64GHz, but I've not done any digging on this issue yet.

And the fans on the Kraken X62 are surprisingly loud when maxed at 2k rpm. I'm considering replacing those with Noctuas. Also thinking about adding a 40mm Noctua too in order to push some air over the 960 Evo to help reduce likely thermal throttling.

Early benchmarks: the old Phenom gave me around 20 static instances of the JPS Harmonic Synthesizer before "song too slow"; the 1800X - I got to 70 instances and still only 3 bars DSP still active. I that point I gave up duping new ones. Yes, for the first time ever, I quit before Reason did

That's a very artificial test of course, and just a fun experiment.

In actual playblack I can comfortably play 40-42 polyphonic (4 voice) instances at 32ms latency. Lowering to 8ms latency I can still get to around 30 instances. And I've never, ever managed to use a PC with sub 10ms latency before, with pretty much one of any device, including Thor, let alone do so with a lot of RE devices running. So this is a huge, huge improvement for me, notwithstanding all the Intel owners who've been able to do this for years

I have run the kategra test, but I had other stuff running, so I want to do an "official" series of runs without that crap before I post to the benchmark thread. I know it won't loop, but I did manage to push it to 1m17 with max samples/latency.

Overall, it's pretty damn good. Absolutely it would be easy to put together an Intel machine to beat it for both multithread content-creation and as a single-threaded gaming machine, but crucially, that'll take AT LEAST another £500 to beat it, and that beating is marginal. A year ago I set myself a budget of £3,000 for the next machine, and in the end I just overshot and came in at £3,025, and really that was only because I had added a new wristpad and a couple of full size Displayport cables*. (I'll have to allow another £50 for the Noctua's if I replace the pair of Kraken fans and add the extra 40mm SSD fan.). The direct Intel equivalent build based on a 6900K would be at least £3,500. That seems like a fair trade-off in price/performance.

Can I digress for a moment, though.

Interestingly, Reason is still damn slow to read/write from that 960 Evo. Song saving is still ... let's say "lazy". Song load is quicker, but a lot of samples isn't massively quicker: it's noticeably quicker, but not "Wow! Fuck me! That's fast!" quicker.

And critically, the browser search function in Reason is absolutely and unforgivably terrible. I ran a search for "bongo" from within my Zero-G Total Rex folder: that's 15,203 files in 42 folders. Now, I did have the song playing as well, but this search was running for over 7 minutes, and still hadn't finished before I forced a stop on it as I wanted to, you know, actually do some stuff.

For comparison, a Windows Explorer search from within the same folder locates all 64 items with "bongo" in the name, in less than 1 second.

I've just run the same search again in Reason in a blank song, no playback, so it's got 95% of the entire available system resources of this top-of-the-range AMD Zen system running pretty much the fastest NVMe SSD drive available, and it's still taken just under six minutes to scan and return those 64 results..

Six minutes to return a search Windows can handle in under a second.

When I get a screen recorder installed, I might even record that for posterity.


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*I was using DVI-Ds on the old machine, but my recently bought monitors each included DP to miniDP cables, so I thought I already be covered: However, in practice the mDP cable just wasn't very secure on the 30", and it would cut out the display if I or the cat so much as farted in its vicinity. The DP to DP are absolutely secure now.

[EnochLight]

you guys are crazy... I've built over 50 workstations with AMD cpus and not one single machine crashes or dies or acts up....

I don't think I would discount our experience as "crazy", no more than we would discount your experience as being the same. I've just had other experience on my AMD builds than you have (but as was mentioned before, it was a long time ago when I was doing those builds).

Seeing JP's and Lizard's reports on their builds here just confirm my suspicions: while doing a Ryzen build may certainly be a good route for me to go, they're certainly not without their hiccups. These are issues I generally haven't had to worry about on pretty much ever single Intel build I've ever done over the past decade.

Anyway, I think we're splitting hairs at this point. Ryzen has my attention, and Lizard/JP's build reports are making my decision a lot more easier to make.

[bxbrkrz]

New system is up and running.

AMD Ryzen 1800X
NZXT (I keep writing NNXT ) Kraken X62 AIO
Asus Crosshair VI X370
32GB Corsair Vengeance 3200Mhz
MSI GTX 1070
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB NVMe SSD
Toshiba X300 6TB HDD
Corsair K70 Cherry Brown
SteelSeries Rival 300 mouse
Be Quiet Dark Base 900 Pro with BeQuiet 850W PSU
E-mu 1616m PCIe



So far three issues. The now notorious inability to set the correct RAM speed: I'm currently stuck at 2133MHz, though this was well signposted in advance so I'm not disappointed here yet, but Asus have push to update the BIOS to fix it in good time or there'll be troub! Same with the 4GHz turbo mode too; not managed to see any sign of it going beyond 3.64GHz, but I've not done any digging on this issue yet.

And the fans on the Kraken X62 are surprisingly loud when maxed at 2k rpm. I'm considering replacing those with Noctuas. Also thinking about adding a 40mm Noctua too in order to push some air over the 960 Evo to help reduce likely thermal throttling.

Early benchmarks: the old Phenom gave me around 20 static instances of the JPS Harmonic Synthesizer before "song too slow"; the 1800X - I got to 70 instances and still only 3 bars DSP still active. I that point I gave up duping new ones. Yes, for the first time ever, I quit before Reason did

That's a very artificial test of course, and just a fun experiment.

In actual playblack I can comfortably play 40-42 polyphonic (4 voice) instances at 32ms latency. Lowering to 8ms latency I can still get to around 30 instances. And I've never, ever managed to use a PC with sub 10ms latency before, with pretty much one of any device, including Thor, let alone do so with a lot of RE devices running. So this is a huge, huge improvement for me, notwithstanding all the Intel owners who've been able to do this for years

I have run the kategra test, but I had other stuff running, so I want to do an "official" series of runs without that crap before I post to the benchmark thread. I know it won't loop, but I did manage to push it to 1m17 with max samples/latency.

Overall, it's pretty damn good. Absolutely it would be easy to put together an Intel machine to beat it for both multithread content-creation and as a single-threaded gaming machine, but crucially, that'll take AT LEAST another £500 to beat it, and that beating is marginal. A year ago I set myself a budget of £3,000 for the next machine, and in the end I just overshot and came in at £3,025, and really that was only because I had added a new wristpad and a couple of full size Displayport cables*. (I'll have to allow another £50 for the Noctua's if I replace the pair of Kraken fans and add the extra 40mm SSD fan.). The direct Intel equivalent build based on a 6900K would be at least £3,500. That seems like a fair trade-off in price/performance.

Can I digress for a moment, though.

Interestingly, Reason is still damn slow to read/write from that 960 Evo. Song saving is still ... let's say "lazy". Song load is quicker, but a lot of samples isn't massively quicker: it's noticeably quicker, but not "Wow! Fuck me! That's fast!" quicker.

And critically, the browser search function in Reason is absolutely and unforgivably terrible. I ran a search for "bongo" from within my Zero-G Total Rex folder: that's 15,203 files in 42 folders. Now, I did have the song playing as well, but this search was running for over 7 minutes, and still hadn't finished before I forced a stop on it as I wanted to, you know, actually do some stuff.

For comparison, a Windows Explorer search from within the same folder locates all 64 items with "bongo" in the name, in less than 1 second.

I've just run the same search again in Reason in a blank song, no playback, so it's got 95% of the entire available system resources of this top-of-the-range AMD Zen system running pretty much the fastest NVMe SSD drive available, and it's still taken just under six minutes to scan and return those 64 results..

Six minutes to return a search Windows can handle in under a second.

When I get a screen recorder installed, I might even record that for posterity.


________
*I was using DVI-Ds on the old machine, but my recently bought monitors each included DP to miniDP cables, so I thought I already be covered: However, in practice the mDP cable just wasn't very secure on the 30", and it would cut out the display if I or the cat so much as farted in its vicinity. The DP to DP are absolutely secure now.

Purchased, but in build progression:
AMD R7 1700
Asrock Taichi X370
32GB Corsair Dominator 3000Mhz
Anidees Cube.
All white BitFenix cables for my Seasonic psu.
Rigid LED from Nanoxia, RGB and UV, to make my system run faster
Everything else from my old build. I may get a Vega card and replace the one I have right now.
Hope to have everything together by next week, when I get all the parts.

[bxbrkrz]

I have to say the sound quality of the Taichi is really good. If you don't have a dedicated pro audio card and only making music (didn't test recording) itb you can't go wrong with its digital output and a good converter. Even the sound quality of the analog out was a surprise to me.

[Rakun]

How is Ryzen 1700 working for you?

[bxbrkrz]

How is Ryzen 1700 working for you?

Everything is smooth. Still stock clock, with the wraith. Waiting for the next big bios update for the Taichi. Can't wait to play my old Komplete 8 collection in Reason, and even get 11 now. The 1700 is such sweet spot. The 1800X was my intended purchase, but since Ryzen Gen 1 does not overclock beyond 4.1Ghz I decided to save up instead. From 3.0 to 3.7 is plenty for me. Also, when you have a tempered glass chassis like mine the Wraith Spire is such a quiet beauty.

Yes. Ryzen made AMD great again.

[Rakun]

How is Ryzen 1700 working for you?

Everything is smooth. Still stock clock, with the wraith. Waiting for the next big bios update for the Taichi. Can't wait to play my old Komplete 8 collection in Reason, and even get 11 now. The 1700 is such sweet spot. The 1800X was my intended purchase, but since Ryzen Gen 1 does not overclock beyond 4.1Ghz I decided to save up instead. From 3.0 to 3.7 is plenty for me. Also, when you have a tempered glass chassis like mine the Wraith Spire is such a quiet beauty.

Yes. Ryzen made AMD great again.

I got it as well, with Asus X370 Prime MB. Works really, really well, especially for the price. Overclocks like a dream, and I live in Malta where it's around 30 deg C already ATM. (up to 3.8 base clock, you should have no problem at all even with stock cooler).

Sure it's not a 10 core intel, but for the price, it basically destroys just about everything else on the market (+ it has 8 cores, 16 threads, which is future proofing). Recommend.

[bxbrkrz]

How is Ryzen 1700 working for you?

Everything is smooth. Still stock clock, with the wraith. Waiting for the next big bios update for the Taichi. Can't wait to play my old Komplete 8 collection in Reason, and even get 11 now. The 1700 is such sweet spot. The 1800X was my intended purchase, but since Ryzen Gen 1 does not overclock beyond 4.1Ghz I decided to save up instead. From 3.0 to 3.7 is plenty for me. Also, when you have a tempered glass chassis like mine the Wraith Spire is such a quiet beauty.

Yes. Ryzen made AMD great again.

I got it as well, with Asus X370 Prime MB. Works really, really well, especially for the price. Overclocks like a dream, and I live in Malta where it's around 30 deg C already ATM. (up to 3.8 base clock, you should have no problem at all even with stock cooler).

Sure it's not a 10 core intel, but for the price, it basically destroys just about everything else on the market (+ it has 8 cores, 16 threads, which is future proofing). Recommend.

Hope more people with a limited budget, or not, will get smart with Ryzen. Supposedly a 16 core Ryzen is next. 16 cores for around $1K? That would be good for a healthy competition.

[Faxxer]

you guys are crazy... I've built over 50 workstations with AMD cpus and not one single machine crashes or dies or acts up....

I don't think I would discount our experience as "crazy", no more than we would discount your experience as being the same. I've just had other experience on my AMD builds than you have (but as was mentioned before, it was a long time ago when I was doing those builds).

Seeing JP's and Lizard's reports on their builds here just confirm my suspicions: while doing a Ryzen build may certainly be a good route for me to go, they're certainly not without their hiccups. These are issues I generally haven't had to worry about on pretty much ever single Intel build I've ever done over the past decade.

Anyway, I think we're splitting hairs at this point. Ryzen has my attention, and Lizard/JP's build reports are making my decision a lot more easier to make.

Crazy was a strong word....I didn't mean it in a literal sense...just an IT picking on another IT sense. I am a bit interested to see where Ryzen takes them as a company

[EnochLight]

Crazy was a strong word....I didn't mean it in a literal sense...just an IT picking on another IT sense. I am a bit interested to see where Ryzen takes them as a company

I'm just glad there's an affordable alternative out there to Intel once again that offers almost as much performance. Makes sure they don't sit on the laurels, and gives us consumers choices.

[Morphic1977]

Hi Guys,

I am thinking about buying new PC with Ryzen 1700, 16GB Ram, SSD Disk...

My polite request on those of you who already own PC with Ryzen (1500, 1700, 1800):

Would mind posting results of stress test viewtopic.php?t=7263897 on your PC setup (please specify CPU, RAM, SSD) with Latency set BELOW 15ms, and sample rate at 44.1 kHz ?

Thanks.

[miscend]

How are your Ryzen CPUs keeping up with VSTs in 9.5