Will Ryzen make AMD great again?

[bxbrkrz]

We shall know soon enough.

[JCBendock]

My guess is no, Intel will just announce some new tech that they have been sitting on for 10 years that will blow AMD back to the stone age. Sadly no one can really compete with Intel so they don't have to inovate much, they can do minor incremental updates and charge a fortune.

[EnochLight]

My guess is no, Intel will just announce some new tech that they have been sitting on for 10 years that will blow AMD back to the stone age. Sadly no one can really compete with Intel so they don't have to inovate much, they can do minor incremental updates and charge a fortune.

Did you watch the video? Ryzen is clearly performing just as well as Intel's i7-6900k, yet the i7-6900k sells for over $1000 USD alone. And Ryzen didn't have its turbo activated, while the i7-6900k did. This indicates that Ryzen will likely outperform the i7-6900k, yet will very much likely sell for half as much money (possibly less).

That's pretty damn impressive, and its performance that AMD hasn't been able to hit in almost a decade and a half. Sure, Intel will still have a faster chip somewhere down the line, but if Ryzen performs as well as being demo'd above - and better once turbo is activated - it would definitely be a great contender as an affordable option to Intel's premier i7 chip.

I say bravo to AMD - I hope they keep it up.

As a side note, the fastest chip AMD can throw at the i7-6900k right now performs literally half as good:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cp ... 40+3.20GHz

* Update: holy shit man... Ryzen is outperforming Xeon chips that cost over $2600 USD!!!!! Check it out compared to the Xeon E5-2697 v2:

big_sandra_ryzen.jpg.jpg (220.53 KiB) Viewed 3316 times

Source: http://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7 ... -kaby-lake

[deepndark]

This is good news! Just what I wanted to happen really. Competition oftenly brings the prices down. AMD Ryzen is just a beginning she said - weehaaaa!!!
EDIT: My last experience with AMD was that it was noisy as fuck and had blue screens. But I was on Win XP back then. STABILITY is as important as the speed.

[EnochLight]

My last AMD build was an Athlon 64 X2 rig, because that's the last time AMD could keep up with Intel. It seems like ages ago... 12 years in fact! Ugh...

[JiggeryPokery]

My last AMD build was an Athlon 64 X2 rig, because that's the last time AMD could keep up with Intel. It seems like ages ago... 12 years in fact! Ugh...

lol, I hear this.

I'm fractionally more recent, but still packing the Phenom X4 II 965BE which was a damn fine chip right up to the point I bought Deus Ex Mankind Divided last December, but the motherboard on this thing is on its last legs. It only fires up first time 1 in 7 starts, and the remaining day of the week I'm crawling on the floor, in my dressing gown round the back, unplugging the power for 10 seconds . I said to myself, ok, a new rig in March, bollocks to AMD and move to... well maybe big Xeon rig or, knowing me, more likely the Broadwell-E 6900K. Or really knowing me and my levels of abject stupidity, the 6950X.

BUT... the more I keep hearing about Zen is starting to make me want to hold fire until the verdicts and comparisons are in and I'll put up with the weekly carpet burns a little longer.

The biggest problem with current gen AMD has been just how dated it all was, limited or no support things like the latest DDR4 or NVMe standards etc. Once you've had a 950 Pro NVme (or one would likely go for the 960 now), you'd never go back to basic SSD on SATA3.

I built an HTPC with an i5 last year around a 950, it's almost insta-boot to desktop and actually running stuff (although of course there are fewer drivers required on a typical HTPC system). Now that machine handled Mankind Divided well, so I just ended up playing it on the 2.3m projector screen in the living room til 1am Xmas morning Replaced the default drive on a new XPS15 laptop with a 951 too. Blisteringly fast.

[EnochLight]

Once you've had a 950 Pro NVme (or one would likely go for the 960 now), you'd never go back to basic SSD on SATA3.

So true - and this is one of the big reasons why I'm not totally sold on AMD's new Ryzen. My next build will definitely utilize an NVMe approach for my main system drive, and I must have 100% rock solid support for it. 3500 MBps reads/2100 MBps writes is the stuff of legend!

[bxbrkrz]

My last AMD build was an Athlon 64 X2 rig, because that's the last time AMD could keep up with Intel. It seems like ages ago... 12 years in fact! Ugh...

lol, I hear this.

I'm fractionally more recent, but still packing the Phenom X4 II 965BE which was a damn fine chip right up to the point I bought Deus Ex Mankind Divided last December, but the motherboard on this thing is on its last legs. It only fires up first time 1 in 7 starts, and the remaining day of the week I'm crawling on the floor, in my dressing gown round the back, unplugging the power for 10 seconds . I said to myself, ok, a new rig in March, bollocks to AMD and move to... well maybe big Xeon rig or, knowing me, more likely the Broadwell-E 6900K. Or really knowing me and my levels of abject stupidity, the 6950X.

BUT... the more I keep hearing about Zen is starting to make me want to hold fire until the verdicts and comparisons are in and I'll put up with the weekly carpet burns a little longer.

The biggest problem with current gen AMD has been just how dated it all was, limited or no support things like the latest DDR4 or NVMe standards etc. Once you've had a 950 Pro NVme (or one would likely go for the 960 now), you'd never go back to basic SSD on SATA3.

I built an HTPC with an i5 last year around a 950, it's almost insta-boot to desktop and actually running stuff (although of course there are fewer drivers required on a typical HTPC system). Now that machine handled Mankind Divided well, so I just ended up playing it on the 2.3m projector screen in the living room til 1am Xmas morning Replaced the default drive on a new XPS15 laptop with a 951 too. Blisteringly fast.

Another 965BE proud owner here. System running 24/7, almost, for years.

[EnochLight]

Another 965BE proud owner here. System running 24/7, almost, for years.

Man... and I complain about my own 3770k's performance... How do you guys do it???!

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu ... +II+X4+965

[bxbrkrz]

Once you've had a 950 Pro NVme (or one would likely go for the 960 now), you'd never go back to basic SSD on SATA3.

So true - and this is one of the big reasons why I'm not totally sold on AMD's new Ryzen. My next build will definitely utilize an NVMe approach for my main system drive, and I must have 100% rock solid support for it. 3500 MBps reads/2100 MBps writes is the stuff of legend!

[EnochLight]

Once you've had a 950 Pro NVme (or one would likely go for the 960 now), you'd never go back to basic SSD on SATA3.

So true - and this is one of the big reasons why I'm not totally sold on AMD's new Ryzen. My next build will definitely utilize an NVMe approach for my main system drive, and I must have 100% rock solid support for it. 3500 MBps reads/2100 MBps writes is the stuff of legend!

The "100% rock solid support" part tends to be a problem with AMD and things of this nature, unless their track record has improved these past years...

[bxbrkrz]

Another 965BE proud owner here. System running 24/7, almost, for years.

Man... and I complain about my own 3770k's performance... How do you guys do it???!

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu ... +II+X4+965

How do we do it? We have developed a... Zen like attitude with life.

[JiggeryPokery]

Another 965BE proud owner here. System running 24/7, almost, for years.

Man... and I complain about my own 3770k's performance... How do you guys do it???!

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu ... +II+X4+965

lmao. Well quite

I suspect that in reality benchmarks are a fairly arbitrary and unrealistic measure of real-world performance, and in terms of what I needed to do day to day it's largely been good. As a music production machine on Reason with RE's it's been very good though I am feeling the limits a bit these days. and I know it'll be way down on i7 performance, but it's not unusable. Indeed, it's STILL better than an i5 laptop, and it's been a reliable gaming machine. As I said, the latest Deus Ex was the first time I was just totally unable to use it for gaming (and with a pair of 7700's I doubt that was the bottleneck even now). So it's pretty good with Reason, ok for graphic design, but then Adobe always favoured Intel. For video production though, it's been fucking pants and borderline unusable.

[EnochLight]

How do we do it? We have developed a... Zen like attitude with life.

lmao. Well quite

LOL I know guys, was just kidding. It's great that you were able to squeeze that sort of mileage out of those chips, though. The only video production I've been doing these days is ripping Blurays and editing family videos in HD. My 3770k - even overclocked - is really showing its age.

Ryzen has my attention, but ultimately it boils down to proper NVMe support and the stability of its motherboard chipset. I'm not sure if I'm willing to go down that road again, but will keep an open mind.

[bxbrkrz]

How do we do it? We have developed a... Zen like attitude with life.

lmao. Well quite

LOL I know guys, was just kidding. It's great that you were able to squeeze that sort of mileage out of those chips, though. The only video production I've been doing these days is ripping Blurays and editing family videos in HD. My 3770k - even overclocked - is really showing its age.

Ryzen has my attention, but ultimately it boils down to proper NVMe support and the stability of its motherboard chipset. I'm not sure if I'm willing to go down that road again, but will keep an open mind.

Either way we, the consumers, win. Ready for a new built, either Ryzen or (cheaper, thanks to AMD?) Z270 platform.

[JiggeryPokery]

How do we do it? We have developed a... Zen like attitude with life.

lmao. Well quite

LOL I know guys, was just kidding. It's great that you were able to squeeze that sort of mileage out of those chips, though. The only video production I've been doing these days is ripping Blurays and editing family videos in HD. My 3770k - even overclocked - is really showing its age.

Ryzen has my attention, but ultimately it boils down to proper NVMe support and the stability of its motherboard chipset. I'm not sure if I'm willing to go down that road again, but will keep an open mind.

Yes, the whole Balance-not-working-on-AMD is both legendary and true, cos I had it first-hand. May have been USB chipset compatibility issues, but whatever, it was unusable. Sits in box in mint condition.

Still, saving half a grand ain't to be sniffed at either, besides, I use pci-e for sound on the Beasts, not USB. I'll get the data in one the reviews are in. At this point I'll go Intel if the performance is worth the extra cost, but if ryzen is comparable at a cheaper point, it's a nobrainer, and perhaps saves money for a bigger 960 or a pair of smaller ones in raid if any motherboard supports 2 nvme!

[4filegate]

Once you've had a 950 Pro NVme (or one would likely go for the 960 now), you'd never go back to basic SSD on SATA3.

So true - and this is one of the big reasons why I'm not totally sold on AMD's new Ryzen. My next build will definitely utilize an NVMe approach for my main system drive, and I must have 100% rock solid support for it. 3500 MBps reads/2100 MBps writes is the stuff of legend!

+1
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If you want faster speeds than the ones offered here, then you’re going to have to look at far more expensive M.2 and PCI E SSDs, as we’re reaching the limit of what SATA III 6Gbp/s can achieve.

[Gorgon]

[bxbrkrz]

Even PE believed in the hype.

[EnochLight]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM

3500 MBps reads/2100 MBps writes isn't hype. It's freak'n awesome.

[Kaosis]

My guess is no, Intel will just announce some new tech that they have been sitting on for 10 years that will blow AMD back to the stone age. Sadly no one can really compete with Intel so they don't have to inovate much, they can do minor incremental updates and charge a fortune.

Did you watch the video? Ryzen is clearly performing just as well as Intel's i7-6900k, yet the i7-6900k sells for over $1000 USD alone. And Ryzen didn't have its turbo activated, while the i7-6900k did. This indicates that Ryzen will likely outperform the i7-6900k, yet will very much likely sell for half as much money (possibly less).

That's pretty damn impressive, and its performance that AMD hasn't been able to hit in almost a decade and a half. Sure, Intel will still have a faster chip somewhere down the line, but if Ryzen performs as well as being demo'd above - and better once turbo is activated - it would definitely be a great contender as an affordable option to Intel's premier i7 chip.

I say bravo to AMD - I hope they keep it up.

As a side note, the fastest chip AMD can throw at the i7-6900k right now performs literally half as good:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cp ... 40+3.20GHz

* Update: holy shit man... Ryzen is outperforming Xeon chips that cost over $2600 USD!!!!! Check it out compared to the Xeon E5-2697 v2:

big_sandra_ryzen.jpg.jpg

Source: http://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7 ... -kaby-lake

Then intel will release the 7 series to remind AMD of their place. Though I would love to see some competition. Between Intel and Nvidia, AMD has had a rough decade.

[bxbrkrz]

My guess is no, Intel will just announce some new tech that they have been sitting on for 10 years that will blow AMD back to the stone age. Sadly no one can really compete with Intel so they don't have to inovate much, they can do minor incremental updates and charge a fortune.

Did you watch the video? Ryzen is clearly performing just as well as Intel's i7-6900k, yet the i7-6900k sells for over $1000 USD alone. And Ryzen didn't have its turbo activated, while the i7-6900k did. This indicates that Ryzen will likely outperform the i7-6900k, yet will very much likely sell for half as much money (possibly less).

That's pretty damn impressive, and its performance that AMD hasn't been able to hit in almost a decade and a half. Sure, Intel will still have a faster chip somewhere down the line, but if Ryzen performs as well as being demo'd above - and better once turbo is activated - it would definitely be a great contender as an affordable option to Intel's premier i7 chip.

I say bravo to AMD - I hope they keep it up.

As a side note, the fastest chip AMD can throw at the i7-6900k right now performs literally half as good:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cp ... 40+3.20GHz

* Update: holy shit man... Ryzen is outperforming Xeon chips that cost over $2600 USD!!!!! Check it out compared to the Xeon E5-2697 v2:

big_sandra_ryzen.jpg.jpg

Source: http://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7 ... -kaby-lake

Then intel will release the 7 series to remind AMD of their place. Though I would love to see some competition. Between Intel and Nvidia, AMD has had a rough decade.

I'll never understand why people are so eager to defend the wallet of faceless gigantic corporations, but never their own interests. "Of their place"? Of course competition is good for us. I don't know if Ryzen is hype or reality, but I am rooting for myself. I use NVIDIA, Intel, AMD, ARM, Apple and Qualcomm cpus.

[EnochLight]

Did AMD "remind [Intel] of their place" when they released the first true dual-core CPU on the market (instead of the hack job Intel was pushing on consumers at the time for more than twice the price), and dominated performance?

Yeah, the wallet of faceless gigantic corporations do not deserve being defended one iota. I'm a customer that wants the best for my money spent. Simples.

[Kaosis]

You guys misinterpret my intents. I wish very much for AMD to succeed, but Athlon 64 was the last time I really built an AMD machine that actually stood on its own. I've used them in a pinch on low budget builds here and there because that's where they compete, but once I'm up around the $200 price range I go for Intel. AMD can hang out up there in some aspects, but overall Intel has it cornered.

As for video cards, its mostly the same, but less obvious. But I truly do want AMD to succeed, I want them to return, I want Intel to not already have an answer sitting on a shelf. And every once in a while AMD comes out swinging, they did it to Nvidia with 4000 series video cards, then floundered around until 7000, then slide right back in place immediately after.

Also, Enoch, I notice that your build uses an Intel

[EnochLight]

Also, Enoch, I notice that your build uses an Intel

Yeah, as mentioned earlier in this thread, I switched over to building with Intel after the Athlon 64 X2 series, like 12 years ago. I hope that AMD comes out swinging, too. Competition is good!