Looks like My ALP5's may be crapping out on me just in time for me to ask Santa for suitable replacements/upgrades.
Any suggestions from you cool people out there? I have a small space (hence the 5" thing) and produce a little bit of Liquid DnB but mostly deep vocal house.
Cheers
Aiden
New 5" monitor recommendations
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jayhosking
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Hey Aiden,
It depends on what you're looking for out of your monitors, but if you want a fair/brutally honest set of speakers for mixing, I'd recommend the Yamaha HS series (so the HS5s in your 5" example). I could be wrong, but they seem to be the spiritual successor to the old NS-10s that were in virtually every studio I learned in, and deserve the old adage that went with the NS-10s: If you can make your mix sound good on them, it'll sound good on everything.
In combination to listening with good cans, earbuds, my laptop speakers, my car, etc., I find my HSs to be awesome for making music.
If you're looking for speakers that are more generous, and thus less for mixing, then maybe somebody else has some ideas.
Best of luck!
It depends on what you're looking for out of your monitors, but if you want a fair/brutally honest set of speakers for mixing, I'd recommend the Yamaha HS series (so the HS5s in your 5" example). I could be wrong, but they seem to be the spiritual successor to the old NS-10s that were in virtually every studio I learned in, and deserve the old adage that went with the NS-10s: If you can make your mix sound good on them, it'll sound good on everything.
In combination to listening with good cans, earbuds, my laptop speakers, my car, etc., I find my HSs to be awesome for making music.
If you're looking for speakers that are more generous, and thus less for mixing, then maybe somebody else has some ideas.
Best of luck!
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MitchClark89
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wow they are quite cheap! my right channel behringer 2030A mid just blowed up about 5minute ago..it has been on the way out for a few months now and i was hoping to get more time from it since xmas has spent all our money on the kids!jayhosking wrote:Hey Aiden,
It depends on what you're looking for out of your monitors, but if you want a fair/brutally honest set of speakers for mixing, I'd recommend the Yamaha HS series (so the HS5s in your 5" example). I could be wrong, but they seem to be the spiritual successor to the old NS-10s that were in virtually every studio I learned in, and deserve the old adage that went with the NS-10s: If you can make your mix sound good on them, it'll sound good on everything.
In combination to listening with good cans, earbuds, my laptop speakers, my car, etc., I find my HSs to be awesome for making music.
If you're looking for speakers that are more generous, and thus less for mixing, then maybe somebody else has some ideas.
Best of luck!
i will check these out thank u for the tip even though it was not meant for me 
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jayhosking
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Hey, my pleasure. Hope they work out for you! Like I said, be ready for some painfully honest monitors! (Which is good for mixing.)
Cheers Guys,
I was thinking of spending between 200-300 pounds so the HS5's look like a good bet. I managed to "fix" my APL-5's by unplugging them and swapping the side of the desk they are on and in doing so I think the connections inside must have had a bit of a shake up (I was planning to get inside them and get busy with some WD-40 which aint easy cos of the way they are put together). Unfortunately in doing so I managed to put my finger through one of the woofers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now my fixed monitors definitely need replacing.
And now I know what I'm getting myself for Christmas.
Happy days!
I was thinking of spending between 200-300 pounds so the HS5's look like a good bet. I managed to "fix" my APL-5's by unplugging them and swapping the side of the desk they are on and in doing so I think the connections inside must have had a bit of a shake up (I was planning to get inside them and get busy with some WD-40 which aint easy cos of the way they are put together). Unfortunately in doing so I managed to put my finger through one of the woofers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now my fixed monitors definitely need replacing.
And now I know what I'm getting myself for Christmas.
Happy days!
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FlowerSoldier
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My Good Buddy has the HS-5s. If you can save up for the HS-7s, it might be a better bet. You can attenuate the bass response to fit your room. He's saving up for the subwoofer now :/
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jayhosking
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Yeah, I recommended the 5s only because the OP said that was their maximum size. I have the 7s and really like them.
So first I listened to the sounds in this set of monitor reviews (using 2 sets of headphones and my ALP5's) after reading about the way they set the review up (sorry can't find the original article but it was logical and sensible)..
and I was like
RP5 - UGH that bass is minging
Adam F5 - UGH the whole sound is just minging (which is a surprise) sounds like the review audio was recorded in a cardboard box
Presonus Eris E5 - hmmm pretty flat sounding touch of harshness in the mids but otherwise interesting
JBL LSR305 - harsh mids - ouch
HS5 - bass? What Bass??
HS7 - pretty flat sounding (not much in the way of bass) not quite as up-front as the E5's and initially the E5's sound better but that may be because of their more forward nature
HS8 - Nice but big and expensive given my budget
HOWEVER....
Today I visited GAK my local music shop and discovered their monitor room hidden in the upstairs drum emporium. I was able to A-B the RP5's and the HS7's (having given up on the HS5's as I produce dance music and don't believe these to be a viable option).
The HS7's had a noticeable lack of bass extension compared to the RP5's but the RP5's bass is muddy and a bit too much. My ALP5's are probably quite close to the RP5's but with a clearer and less hyped low end which makes them "nice" to listen to music on which is something I can imagine snares a great deal of RP5 owners. Overall the flatness and clarity of the HS7's particularly in the mids and hi end wins quite easily over the RP5's which tbh sound to me like a nice pair of consumer speakers but again the low end of the HS7's (even for 7" monitors) was quite absent which is a little worrying.
And then I went and pressed the next button to audition the set of monitors labelled " £200 you haven't got"
Bastard
Yamaha HS8's it is then. It was like taking my fingers out of my ears compared to the HS7's. The 7's sounded really nasal in comparison and instantly the HS8's are amazingly more detailed, open, deeper and the sweet spot goes from 30 CM to just under a metre. It was quite literally like night and day. There's so much more detail, not just in the low end which is so much better with the HS8's but the more open nature of the mids and highs is a revelation.
Crucially given the size of the room I have to work in the sound of the HS8's seems pretty uniform down to low/medium volume which is possibly the last selling point that hooked me.
The difference overall is really quite remarkable and given how much time and energy I spend indulging my passion it's a real no-brainer. Unfortunately it's a no-brainer that's gonna cost me (a few quid) and yes I know to a certain extent I'm comparing apples to pears but you wouldn't think 1 inch would really make that much difference. And there's a conversation I can have with my wife.
Rant over. If you've stumbled on this random collection of thoughts at some point in the future cos you're thinking of investing in some new monitors I hope this helps.
Laters
Aiden
and I was like
RP5 - UGH that bass is minging
Adam F5 - UGH the whole sound is just minging (which is a surprise) sounds like the review audio was recorded in a cardboard box
Presonus Eris E5 - hmmm pretty flat sounding touch of harshness in the mids but otherwise interesting
JBL LSR305 - harsh mids - ouch
HS5 - bass? What Bass??
HS7 - pretty flat sounding (not much in the way of bass) not quite as up-front as the E5's and initially the E5's sound better but that may be because of their more forward nature
HS8 - Nice but big and expensive given my budget
HOWEVER....
Today I visited GAK my local music shop and discovered their monitor room hidden in the upstairs drum emporium. I was able to A-B the RP5's and the HS7's (having given up on the HS5's as I produce dance music and don't believe these to be a viable option).
The HS7's had a noticeable lack of bass extension compared to the RP5's but the RP5's bass is muddy and a bit too much. My ALP5's are probably quite close to the RP5's but with a clearer and less hyped low end which makes them "nice" to listen to music on which is something I can imagine snares a great deal of RP5 owners. Overall the flatness and clarity of the HS7's particularly in the mids and hi end wins quite easily over the RP5's which tbh sound to me like a nice pair of consumer speakers but again the low end of the HS7's (even for 7" monitors) was quite absent which is a little worrying.
And then I went and pressed the next button to audition the set of monitors labelled " £200 you haven't got"
Bastard
Yamaha HS8's it is then. It was like taking my fingers out of my ears compared to the HS7's. The 7's sounded really nasal in comparison and instantly the HS8's are amazingly more detailed, open, deeper and the sweet spot goes from 30 CM to just under a metre. It was quite literally like night and day. There's so much more detail, not just in the low end which is so much better with the HS8's but the more open nature of the mids and highs is a revelation.
Crucially given the size of the room I have to work in the sound of the HS8's seems pretty uniform down to low/medium volume which is possibly the last selling point that hooked me.
The difference overall is really quite remarkable and given how much time and energy I spend indulging my passion it's a real no-brainer. Unfortunately it's a no-brainer that's gonna cost me (a few quid) and yes I know to a certain extent I'm comparing apples to pears but you wouldn't think 1 inch would really make that much difference. And there's a conversation I can have with my wife.
Rant over. If you've stumbled on this random collection of thoughts at some point in the future cos you're thinking of investing in some new monitors I hope this helps.
Laters
Aiden
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jayhosking
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It's a good call to get what you want for the long term. I think you chose the right monitors.
For what it's worth, I think the HS5s are typically paired with a Yamaha subwoofer, and that's even how they were marketed. I've found that at the volumes where I mix, there's enough bass presence in the 7s. The 8s are supposed to be great but I haven't heard them.
Nothing beats a room full of speakers for comparison, eh? Nice work, even if you'll have some explaining to do with your loved ones.
For what it's worth, I think the HS5s are typically paired with a Yamaha subwoofer, and that's even how they were marketed. I've found that at the volumes where I mix, there's enough bass presence in the 7s. The 8s are supposed to be great but I haven't heard them.
Nothing beats a room full of speakers for comparison, eh? Nice work, even if you'll have some explaining to do with your loved ones.
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jayhosking
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I keep laughing over this part, because I've been suckered in the same way so many times. Music stores, man. The worst.Palmeira wrote: And then I went and pressed the next button to audition the set of monitors labelled " £200 you haven't got"
Bastard
Interesting to say the least you compaired monitors based on a soundcloud playlist.
I'm a huge fan of the yamaha HS5 / HS50m with the mid/high switched to minus db's.
I used to have the HS80m for a few weeks and had trouble controlling the subbass, it's huge !!!
My GF bought the HS50m's for her living room (<3) because she wanted super clean sound for her progressive trance cd's so I put my hs80m's next to them and the hs50m is much cleaner !!! The difference was huge, really huge. I worked with genelec 8040's in the past for years and the hs50m is the next best thing to me for a tight budget. I sold the hs80m's and got myself a pair of hs50m's too. A subwoofer is nice to add but often in small rooms even the hs50m's give a hint of subfreqs enough to make sense of what is going on (unlike what the spec sheets say). I'm always working with a spectrum analyzer next to my screen so it's not only ears I'm using. Also BEyer Dyn dt770m's with sub mod.
Now I'm saving up for a pair of hs5's for my second studio.
I'm a huge fan of the yamaha HS5 / HS50m with the mid/high switched to minus db's.
I used to have the HS80m for a few weeks and had trouble controlling the subbass, it's huge !!!
My GF bought the HS50m's for her living room (<3) because she wanted super clean sound for her progressive trance cd's so I put my hs80m's next to them and the hs50m is much cleaner !!! The difference was huge, really huge. I worked with genelec 8040's in the past for years and the hs50m is the next best thing to me for a tight budget. I sold the hs80m's and got myself a pair of hs50m's too. A subwoofer is nice to add but often in small rooms even the hs50m's give a hint of subfreqs enough to make sense of what is going on (unlike what the spec sheets say). I'm always working with a spectrum analyzer next to my screen so it's not only ears I'm using. Also BEyer Dyn dt770m's with sub mod.
Now I'm saving up for a pair of hs5's for my second studio.
Got the HS8's.
Was a little worried because the room I'm working in is really small but I definitely made the right choice. Bass from my Alp5's was really boomy but from the HS8's on a pair of Adam Hall isolation pads is so much more controlled, punchy and way, way deeper - I'm producing liquid DnB and Deep House so that's important. Even in a small room and with the monitors backed up almost to the wall and corner behind there doesn't appear to be any problems. Mids are incredibly clear and detailed, transparent even, and I've knocked the high trim down 2 db which seems to give a smoother overall sound. The sweet spot is huge compared to what I'm used to and was one of the things that was really obvious when I A-B'd them against other monitors in the shop and not just side to side either - depth - wow.
Haven't tried producing anything on them yet but listening to previous mixes is very revealing (and sometimes slightly disheartening!) so looking forward to seeing how they translate. Essentially though it's a massive step up and pressing the button labelled "£200 you haven't got!" has turned out awesome.
If you've got the budget but you don't think you have the space to accommodate these you may be surprised.
Cheers
Was a little worried because the room I'm working in is really small but I definitely made the right choice. Bass from my Alp5's was really boomy but from the HS8's on a pair of Adam Hall isolation pads is so much more controlled, punchy and way, way deeper - I'm producing liquid DnB and Deep House so that's important. Even in a small room and with the monitors backed up almost to the wall and corner behind there doesn't appear to be any problems. Mids are incredibly clear and detailed, transparent even, and I've knocked the high trim down 2 db which seems to give a smoother overall sound. The sweet spot is huge compared to what I'm used to and was one of the things that was really obvious when I A-B'd them against other monitors in the shop and not just side to side either - depth - wow.
Haven't tried producing anything on them yet but listening to previous mixes is very revealing (and sometimes slightly disheartening!) so looking forward to seeing how they translate. Essentially though it's a massive step up and pressing the button labelled "£200 you haven't got!" has turned out awesome.
If you've got the budget but you don't think you have the space to accommodate these you may be surprised.
Cheers
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