Just picked up an RME Babyface Pro - here's a Reason users perspective...

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bxbrkrz
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28 Sep 2017

EnochLight wrote:
27 Sep 2017
Thanks for sharing that video - hadn't seen it before. So for $199 USD, I can barely tell a difference at all between the Behringer ADA8200 and the RME OctaMix XTC which sells for a whopping $2649 USD!!!!
:shock:
Certainly not enough difference to warrant an extra $2400 USD in cash. :lol: :lol: :lol:

That Behringer ADA8200 is looking like it might win out for my use.
The reason why I got the Digiface USB recently. A very flexible, 'cheap' path to 4x8 I/Os. I don't need it, but the option is there.
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28 Sep 2017

bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Sep 2017
The reason why I got the Digiface USB recently. A very flexible, 'cheap' path to 4x8 I/Os. I don't need it, but the option is there.
Are you using ADA8200's with the Digiface?
Win 10 | Ableton Live 11 Suite |  Reason 12 | i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | RME Babyface Pro | Akai MPC Live 2 & Akai Force | Roland System 8, MX1, TB3 | Dreadbox Typhon | Korg Minilogue XD

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28 Sep 2017

EnochLight wrote:
28 Sep 2017
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Sep 2017
The reason why I got the Digiface USB recently. A very flexible, 'cheap' path to 4x8 I/Os. I don't need it, but the option is there.
Are you using ADA8200's with the Digiface?
I sold all my synths but a few sound modules, FX, etc. I am 98% in the box. No needs for mic pres.
I use my old Multiface 1 and my (did not know it was still working until I turned it ON for testing) Adat XT, as analog (line) I/Os :cool: . The Multiface needs to be set as a stand alone on my old pc first, then never to be turned off or it will forget the setting. They are enough for my little hardware collection. Both my RMEs will work as a happy family, if needed.
I also hate forced obsolescence, not being able to repurpose old functioning gear. RME makes me very happy.
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Jon Johnson
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28 Sep 2017

EnochLight wrote:
28 Sep 2017
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Sep 2017
The reason why I got the Digiface USB recently. A very flexible, 'cheap' path to 4x8 I/Os. I don't need it, but the option is there.
Are you using ADA8200's with the Digiface?
I use an ADA8200 with a Digiface. No issues and works for me. Only single stereo out to speakers but not a problem as everything done in the box before sending out. Currently using one ADAT pipe to channel audio and CV to Expert Sleepers unit with plans for more. For me a cheaper but far more useful set up that Babyface with same audio performance.
Reason PC, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, AMD FX 8320 3.5GHz, 32Gb RAM, RME Digiface+ 3xAD8200, 3xArturia Origin, Virus TI, C15, 16 DSP Scope system, Novation KS Rack and bits of Eurorack :ugeek:

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28 Sep 2017

EnochLight wrote:
27 Sep 2017
Windows 7 doesn't support USB 3.0 natively, and drivers supplied by 3rd parties have hit/miss reliability - but if you're not using it via that USB 3.0 expansion card and it's still doing it on all of the USB 2.0 ports you've tried, then something's definitely amiss. Last thing I can think of - have you updated your video card drivers and motherboard BIOS to the latest?
Yep, ok on the BIOS and card drivers. Suspecting it's related to one of my screens (HDMI port) as it's listed as a Sound device. Looking into that.

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Yep, ok on the BIOS and card drivers. Suspecting it's related to one of my screens (HDMI port) as it's listed as a Sound device. Looking into that.
OK, let us know if you have any luck!

Cheers
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28 Sep 2017

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06 Sep 2016
gak wrote:Well, that's the thing. Legacy products are......legacy products.

For the hell of it, I was looking into some UAD stuff (no serious thoughts) but as it turns out the "apollo" stuff is the only things they are planning future support for. I can only guess that PCI/e slots are not what they were and thunderbolt/usb 3 gives latency options they had not figured on.

In reality, current day, the usb 2 of our topic is as good a driver as RME currently has...or so it seems.

Confusing to me. I'd have thought that in 2016 anyone with a reasonably current computer (regardless of OS) would be at 2ms in/out and being so stable nothing mattered (shrug)
I've been using my Apollo Twin for about 1 month now. I can't recommend it enough. The Unison preamp technology is a game changer. Also, once you try recording vocals through that LA-2A, you can't go back to compressing after the fact. The plugins it ships with are a bit of a tease, but having the option to deploy a Manley VOXBOX on your preamp is just...like,well...I mean, you have a Manley Licensed VOXBOX on your preamp. Enough said. I did consider the RME Babyface, but the Thunderbolt interface, the beefy DSP, and the UAD plug-ins won me over to the Apollo Twin. Also the latency is less than 2ms i/o and the guitar amp modeler is like playing through a real amp. It's crazy.

Also, not trying to hate on RME. I've never used one. Just thought I'd share if anyone else was considering an Apollo.
which guitar amp modeler are you using? and does it work nicely with Reason also? I remember some UAD issues in Reason when Reason 9.5 was introduced.

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Jon Johnson wrote:
28 Sep 2017
EnochLight wrote:
28 Sep 2017


Are you using ADA8200's with the Digiface?
I use an ADA8200 with a Digiface. No issues and works for me. Only single stereo out to speakers but not a problem as everything done in the box before sending out. Currently using one ADAT pipe to channel audio and CV to Expert Sleepers unit with plans for more. For me a cheaper but far more useful set up that Babyface with same audio performance.
The Expert Sleepers' CV signal unit is via your ADA8200? That's really cool. This Makes the device even more compelling. I don't want to be tempted by hardware but hmmm.
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04 Oct 2017

bxbrkrz wrote:
02 Oct 2017
Jon Johnson wrote:
28 Sep 2017


I use an ADA8200 with a Digiface. No issues and works for me. Only single stereo out to speakers but not a problem as everything done in the box before sending out. Currently using one ADAT pipe to channel audio and CV to Expert Sleepers unit with plans for more. For me a cheaper but far more useful set up that Babyface with same audio performance.
The Expert Sleepers' CV signal unit is via your ADA8200? That's really cool. This Makes the device even more compelling. I don't want to be tempted by hardware but hmmm.
No - ADA8200 is used to route external modular synths into Reason. via Digiface. CV signal comes out of the Digiface unit. The Digiface has 4 ADAT outs so in theory you can run up to 30 CV signals out - channels 31 and 32 are reserved for audio out to speakers. Not sure if if ADA8200 ADAT out works as ADAT return on aDA8200 converts back to 8 channels of audio, but Digiface direct to Expert Sleepers ES3 avoids potential AC coupling issues and gives 8 separate modular friendly audio/CV channels per ADAT. Add expansion options to Expert Sleepers ES3 or use 4xES3 modules with one Digiface. Totalmix software controls where you route CV out signals.
Reason PC, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, AMD FX 8320 3.5GHz, 32Gb RAM, RME Digiface+ 3xAD8200, 3xArturia Origin, Virus TI, C15, 16 DSP Scope system, Novation KS Rack and bits of Eurorack :ugeek:

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Jon Johnson wrote:
04 Oct 2017
bxbrkrz wrote:
02 Oct 2017

The Expert Sleepers' CV signal unit is via your ADA8200? That's really cool. This Makes the device even more compelling. I don't want to be tempted by hardware but hmmm.
No - ADA8200 is used to route external modular synths into Reason. via Digiface. CV signal comes out of the Digiface unit. The Digiface has 4 ADAT outs so in theory you can run up to 30 CV signals out - channels 31 and 32 are reserved for audio out to speakers. Not sure if if ADA8200 ADAT out works as ADAT return on aDA8200 converts back to 8 channels of audio, but Digiface direct to Expert Sleepers ES3 avoids potential AC coupling issues and gives 8 separate modular friendly audio/CV channels per ADAT. Add expansion options to Expert Sleepers ES3 or use 4xES3 modules with one Digiface. Totalmix software controls where you route CV out signals.
Introduction
The ES-3 is a Eurorack format module which converts eight channels of ADAT Lightpipe input to DC coupled outputs on 3.5mm jacks, for the ultimate convenience in connection of a DAW directly to analogue synthesizers.
The outputs can be used as control voltages (CVs), for example with software such as Expert Sleepers Silent Way, and can also be used as audio outputs at high, modular synth-compatible levels.
With the ES-3, a single optical cable is all that is need to bring direct CV control from your DAW right into the heart of a modular system.


Now I get it. The Digiface USB is perfect for this. Wow! :geek:
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08 Oct 2017

EnochLight wrote:
28 Sep 2017
hollyn wrote:
28 Sep 2017
Yep, ok on the BIOS and card drivers. Suspecting it's related to one of my screens (HDMI port) as it's listed as a Sound device. Looking into that.
OK, let us know if you have any luck!

Cheers
Success! Whoot!

I am so embarrassed to say that, after everything, the solution came down to the missed preferences setting "play in background". Big head slap.
Whew! Happy now! Emian's waiting on vocals...

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hollyn wrote:
08 Oct 2017
EnochLight wrote:
28 Sep 2017


OK, let us know if you have any luck!

Cheers
Success! Whoot!

I am so embarrassed to say that, after everything, the solution came down to the missed preferences setting "play in background". Big head slap.
Whew! Happy now! Emian's waiting on vocals...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

That’s great news - glad you got it fixed. :thumbs_up:
Win 10 | Ableton Live 11 Suite |  Reason 12 | i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | RME Babyface Pro | Akai MPC Live 2 & Akai Force | Roland System 8, MX1, TB3 | Dreadbox Typhon | Korg Minilogue XD

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