Got Eurorack? Show your Modular Grid!

Want to talk about music hardware or software that doesn't include Reason?
User avatar
Faastwalker
Posts: 1393
Joined: 15 Jan 2015

Post 26 Feb 2019

Crumbfort wrote:
25 Feb 2019
Yeah, the Hexinverter Mutant Brain looks nice. I ended up going with this as I really liked the x4 configurable gate/pitch/cv1/cv2 options (plus the reset/division outs, pairs really nicely with PNW):

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/vermona-q ... -interface

QPAS should come today! I'm stoked.
The Vermona module looks like a very good option as well. I did look at it but I'm on a HP budget (subject ...... bound to change!! :-/ ) I did look at the Instruo Aither as well. Very cool looking module. A lot more pricey than the Mutant Brain though. For the price & HP I think I'm sold on the Mutant Brain now. Next pay I think I'm going to buy one.

How's the QPAS (need I ask?!) Looks like Make Noise have hit it out of the park again with this one.

User avatar
O1B
Posts: 1355
Joined: 26 Jan 2015

Post 27 Feb 2019

The market is here for quicker skiff options:

4ms Pods .. the form factor is killer - IF - your modules fit. [Expert Sleepers are waaay to Deep!!!]
Ones that Fit: Make NOISE (NOT THE QPAS!!!!!!), Happy Nerding, Mutable Instruments, Cwejman (slimmest out there)
IMG_0015 copy.jpg
$200 ish gets you 60HP and 4 connectors. You can buy 1-to-3 power connectors (more modules)
@1.2mA the power is sufficient

4ms also sells powerLESS cases ($85), shrouded and bare power buses (~$40) and a Power mod (~$120)
with only a barrel cable (~$10), you can connect multiple pods!

*** 4ms has also introduced DEEPER Pods this month. They're still not as deep as Intellijels or RackBrutes.

FYI.
Catblack wrote:
20 Feb 2019
I've just decided this week to start investing in Eurorack. I'm probably going to order a happy ending and then a Clouds and Ear module so I can play around. And a Happy Ending so I can make a simple starter case out of wood.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Catblack
Posts: 787
Joined: 15 Apr 2016

Post 27 Feb 2019

O1B wrote:
27 Feb 2019
The market is here for quicker skiff options:

4ms Pods .. the form factor is killer - IF - your modules fit. [Expert Sleepers are waaay to Deep!!!]
Ones that Fit: Make NOISE (NOT THE QPAS!!!!!!), Happy Nerding, Mutable Instruments, Cwejman (slimmest out there)

IMG_0015 copy.jpg

$200 ish gets you 60HP and 4 connectors. You can buy 1-to-3 power connectors (more modules)
@1.2mA the power is sufficient

4ms also sells powerLESS cases ($85), shrouded and bare power buses (~$40) and a Power mod (~$120)
with only a barrel cable (~$10), you can connect multiple pods!

*** 4ms has also introduced DEEPER Pods this month. They're still not as deep as Intellijels or RackBrutes.

FYI.
Catblack wrote:
20 Feb 2019
I've just decided this week to start investing in Eurorack. I'm probably going to order a happy ending and then a Clouds and Ear module so I can play around. And a Happy Ending so I can make a simple starter case out of wood.
I've started picking up modules and I've got a case. I went with a used Pittsburgh Modular Cell 90. (Pitt Mod is actually about 8 or 10 miles from me.) It's already maybe too small for what I have planned.

I'm actually committed to buying everything used or building it myself. The eurorack community is great so far for both in my experience. I'm planning and budgeting ahead into the summer. I'm considering getting into SMD soldiering to do some of the builds I want to do. Or I'll find builders I trust.

High on my list is getting a Monsoon. (Clouds clone) It's been high on my list but I've snapped up some deals on other things and had to pass on it so far. I really want to bring noise out of Reason and play with it! This is actually the goal of my initial rack.

But I've snapped up good deals on a Yarns clone, an MI Ears, a Teleplexer and a Warps. Then I was looking at all that and looking into options on an output/headphone preamp module and went with a used Pittsburgh System Interface, which will fill out my needs nicely for a while.

So it's that Monsoon next and I'd love to pair an Ornaments & Crime module to a Doepfer A-192-1 (maybe) and control Nostromo from it. Then I'll consider more bleepy and bloopy as I expand into another case. I probably might have planned better, but everything total so far (plus that monsoon) is still less than I spent on Reason the past year.
If you ain't hip to the rare Housequake, shut up already.

Damn.

User avatar
O1B
Posts: 1355
Joined: 26 Jan 2015

Post 27 Feb 2019

It sounds like you have a MUCH better roadmap for where you want to be that I do. Nice.
Pittsburgh Modular Cell 90....
I'm actually committed to buying everything used or building it myself.
Just be sure to read up on Pittsburgh Power Issues. There are so many threads, it made me nervous.
Here's one: Pittsburgh Move 208 Power Supply Issues
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewt ... highlight=
- "It's not the modules (un)fortunately. I've taken them all out and tested them individually in my other case, and they work fine."

And, on ModularGRid: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/408
- "I just picked up a new Pittsburgh Modular Move 208 case and arranged these modules into it. I seem to be having some power issues however despite the fact that everything adds up well within spec... even when dividing case spec between the two rails."

Cell 90, specifically... :https://llllllll.co/t/eurorack-case/11157/7
"The Intellijel 4U cases have a better power supply "
"My two cents: whatever you do, stay away from Pittsburgh Modular. I have a Cell 48 and two Cell 90’s that I’ve had to gut because their power supplies were terrible. Extreme amounts of noise on digital modules (Nebulae, Clouds, Rings),..."

FYI
Yarns clone, an MI Ears, a Teleplexer and a Warps.
Given you're picking a lot if digi devices (Mutable Instruments), it may be something to look out for.

Godspeed with your setup, CatBlack.
O1B.

Catblack wrote:
27 Feb 2019

I've started picking up modules and I've got a case. I went with a used Pittsburgh Modular Cell 90. (Pitt Mod is actually about 8 or 10 miles from me.) It's already maybe too small for what I have planned.

I'm actually committed to buying everything used or building it myself. The eurorack community is great so far for both in my experience. I'm planning and budgeting ahead into the summer. I'm considering getting into SMD soldiering to do some of the builds I want to do. Or I'll find builders I trust.

High on my list is getting a Monsoon. (Clouds clone) It's been high on my list but I've snapped up some deals on other things and had to pass on it so far. I really want to bring noise out of Reason and play with it! This is actually the goal of my initial rack.

But I've snapped up good deals on a Yarns clone, an MI Ears, a Teleplexer and a Warps. Then I was looking at all that and looking into options on an output/headphone preamp module and went with a used Pittsburgh System Interface, which will fill out my needs nicely for a while.

So it's that Monsoon next and I'd love to pair an Ornaments & Crime module to a Doepfer A-192-1 (maybe) and control Nostromo from it. Then I'll consider more bleepy and bloopy as I expand into another case. I probably might have planned better, but everything total so far (plus that monsoon) is still less than I spent on Reason the past year.

User avatar
Crumbfort
Posts: 77
Joined: 20 May 2018

Post 27 Feb 2019

Faastwalker wrote:
26 Feb 2019
Crumbfort wrote:
25 Feb 2019
Yeah, the Hexinverter Mutant Brain looks nice. I ended up going with this as I really liked the x4 configurable gate/pitch/cv1/cv2 options (plus the reset/division outs, pairs really nicely with PNW):

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/vermona-q ... -interface

QPAS should come today! I'm stoked.
The Vermona module looks like a very good option as well. I did look at it but I'm on a HP budget (subject ...... bound to change!! :-/ ) I did look at the Instruo Aither as well. Very cool looking module. A lot more pricey than the Mutant Brain though. For the price & HP I think I'm sold on the Mutant Brain now. Next pay I think I'm going to buy one.

How's the QPAS (need I ask?!) Looks like Make Noise have hit it out of the park again with this one.
Definitely! The Mutant Brain looks like crazy great bang for buck.

Just got the QPAS today! Apparently there was much weather delay with the shipping. Haven't had a chance to play with it yet but I certainly will on the morrow!

I also sold my Make Noise STOs last week. I've just gotten a lot more enjoyment out of my Pittsburgh Primary Oscs and wasn't drawn to them as much anymore. Still an awesome sounding oscillator, though. Picked up a used one of these and I really like it:

Image

User avatar
Jagwah
Posts: 1340
Joined: 16 Jan 2015

Post 02 Mar 2019

selig wrote:
17 Feb 2019
So I’m covered getting note etc out of Reason into the rack, though any CV is not at audio rate. Going the other direction will take an ES-8 and another free USB port, which will probably happen in the big FX expansion I’m thinking…
I have an ES-8 and look forward to getting it to work fully, but it's on the back burner right now. Couldn't imagine being a Reason head and having a modular synth and not using Reason's CV with it, sounds like too much fun :)

Faastwalker wrote:
20 Feb 2019
I'm starting small. But every module towards filling up the Happy Ending has me thinking bigger :D
Really cool, and you have a bit of a white theme going on that looks super tidy, bang on!!

User avatar
O1B
Posts: 1355
Joined: 26 Jan 2015

Post 15 Mar 2019

Compared to Modular - Reason CV is ... as predictable as Digi-1-2-3.

No... CV in the modular world is much, more exciting ... transient... unexpected.

Scaling CV in Reason is pure guess work - and most knobs (scaling CV) are in the back. (And - forget resetting the values..... tedious, tedious.)
Access to Reason CV is dependent on a MIDI controller... Doh! That's right!
- then! It's either choppy for boringly smoothed out.

Forget about Attenuverting or on-the-fly adjustment. At best - set it for forget it.

I have never lost any sleep disregarding Reason CV - when using Modular.
Jagwah wrote:
02 Mar 2019
I have an ES-8 and look forward to getting it to work fully, but it's on the back burner right now. Couldn't imagine being a Reason head and having a modular synth and not using Reason's CV with it, sounds like too much fun :)

User avatar
Jagwah
Posts: 1340
Joined: 16 Jan 2015

Post 15 Mar 2019

O1B wrote:
15 Mar 2019
Compared to Modular - Reason CV is ... as predictable as Digi-1-2-3.

No... CV in the modular world is much, more exciting ... transient... unexpected.

Scaling CV in Reason is pure guess work - and most knobs (scaling CV) are in the back. (And - forget resetting the values..... tedious, tedious.)
Access to Reason CV is dependent on a MIDI controller... Doh! That's right!
- then! It's either choppy for boringly smoothed out.

Forget about Attenuverting or on-the-fly adjustment. At best - set it for forget it.

I have never lost any sleep disregarding Reason CV - when using Modular.
Jagwah wrote:
02 Mar 2019
I have an ES-8 and look forward to getting it to work fully, but it's on the back burner right now. Couldn't imagine being a Reason head and having a modular synth and not using Reason's CV with it, sounds like too much fun :)
I think I'm following you. I would definitely like to understand what you're saying here as it could save me a lot of time.

I don't know what a Digi-1-2-3 is.

When I think scaling CV, I think using a tool to trim the values. What is wrong with resetting CV values or attenuating or adjusting them on the fly in this situation? Does it crash or fail or something?

How / why do I need a midi controller for any of this?

If the end result is going to be crap, and I think that's what you are saying, I'd like to understand it better. I did finally get a bit of life out of my ES-8 when I last attempted using it, but I felt it needed a bit of wiring in Reason to work out how to calibrate it and have it perform well. Even then I only have two ports working, soundcard issue I didn't have time to sort out then.

I have an audio to CV module or more of an audio envelope follower, which to my surprise happens in this translation anyway (CV converted to audio, and back to CV again), would you say I'm better of using this and giving up on the ES-8? https://lzxindustries.net/products/sensory-translator. Interested in you expanding your thoughts here, thanks.

User avatar
O1B
Posts: 1355
Joined: 26 Jan 2015

Post 16 Mar 2019

Sorry! Digi1-2-3....means Digital.

Scaling and offsetting -
Scaling 1 to 10 or 1 to 100 - or 100 to 1! for that matter. Not so easy to do in Reason.
Offsetting : 1 to 10 goes to 20 to 30 or -10 to -20 or -20 to -10!

Off-setting in the Combinator is tedious still...and forget about scaling.
A proper scaling/offset tool in reason would have to be stand-alone - with control from the front.

Like ....
Image
or
Image
How / why do I need a midi controller for any of this?
How would you change the values... one at a time? with a mouse/keyboard? Maybe. But, its so much less 'musical'

I never used the ES-8, but I have HAD AIRAs - which allows CV transmission.
During testing, it seemed too clinical - for my taste. I much prefer modular CV sources.
would you say I'm better of using this and giving up on the ES-8? [https://lzxindustries.net/products/sensory-translator]
Don't give up on the ES-8. Take it as a challenge that I'm wrong. I never used the ES-8 and I do (kinda) want one - but... FH-2.

The ES-8 is - for me - the AUDIO bridge more than CV. Expert Sleepers' FH-2 for instance is USB-X, MiDi, etc. for CV. (No audio, I believe)

I have never tried LZX, but I will some day. the module you linked is Very interesting. I've never researched their products. I will now.

Anytime, Jagwah.
O1B

Note to self...
Image
Jagwah wrote:
15 Mar 2019
O1B wrote:
15 Mar 2019
Compared to Modular - Reason CV is ... as predictable as Digi-1-2-3.

No... CV in the modular world is much, more exciting ... transient... unexpected.

Scaling CV in Reason is pure guess work - and most knobs (scaling CV) are in the back. (And - forget resetting the values..... tedious, tedious.)
Access to Reason CV is dependent on a MIDI controller... Doh! That's right!
- then! It's either choppy for boringly smoothed out.

Forget about Attenuverting or on-the-fly adjustment. At best - set it for forget it.

I have never lost any sleep disregarding Reason CV - when using Modular.

I think I'm following you. I would definitely like to understand what you're saying here as it could save me a lot of time.

I don't know what a Digi-1-2-3 is.

When I think scaling CV, I think using a tool to trim the values. What is wrong with resetting CV values or attenuating or adjusting them on the fly in this situation? Does it crash or fail or something?

How / why do I need a midi controller for any of this?

If the end result is going to be crap, and I think that's what you are saying, I'd like to understand it better. I did finally get a bit of life out of my ES-8 when I last attempted using it, but I felt it needed a bit of wiring in Reason to work out how to calibrate it and have it perform well. Even then I only have two ports working, soundcard issue I didn't have time to sort out then.

I have an audio to CV module or more of an audio envelope follower, which to my surprise happens in this translation anyway (CV converted to audio, and back to CV again), would you say I'm better of using this and giving up on the ES-8? https://lzxindustries.net/products/sensory-translator. Interested in you expanding your thoughts here, thanks.

User avatar
O1B
Posts: 1355
Joined: 26 Jan 2015

Post 16 Mar 2019

Reason CV is AWESOME - to be clear. I wouldn't understand crap if Reason didn't exist for me.

It's just the implementation of it - now that I have modular CV access - that I am considering.
if you wanted to sweep a filter with CV, but invert the sweep - just 'cause (for example) ... Reason CV doesn't make it easy.

And, the transients that occur in the modular world are hard to reproduce ITB.
If you have any experience you want to share, Im all ears.
Jagwah wrote:
15 Mar 2019
I think I'm following you. I would definitely like to understand what you're saying here as it could save me a lot of time.
---
If the end result is going to be crap, and I think that's what you are saying, I'd like to understand it better. I did finally get a bit of life out of my ES-8 when I last attempted using it, but I felt it needed a bit of wiring in Reason to work out how to calibrate it and have it perform well. Even then I only have two ports working, soundcard issue I didn't have time to sort out then.
---

User avatar
Jagwah
Posts: 1340
Joined: 16 Jan 2015

Post 18 Mar 2019

O1B wrote:
16 Mar 2019
Don't give up on the ES-8. Take it as a challenge that I'm wrong. I never used the ES-8 and I do (kinda) want one - but... FH-2.

The ES-8 is - for me - the AUDIO bridge more than CV. Expert Sleepers' FH-2 for instance is USB-X, MiDi, etc. for CV. (No audio, I believe)

I have never tried LZX, but I will some day. the module you linked is Very interesting. I've never researched their products. I will now.
I have been thinking about this for the past few days and I keep coming back to how much easier this must all be with the envelope follower module (LZX Sensory Translator). I can design sounds to manipulate that module, I can also use CV to audio converters and vice versa inside Reason to take my sounds or CV data and send it through an audio out to the Sensory Translator. I already had this module working (I'm away from home right now) and it was simple, audio out to its in and bam it's in action (looks cool too with coloured LEDs). The ES-8 was and is a pain to get going, soundcard issues, driver issues, I am not looking forward to tackling it again to be honest. The question I am considering now is can the Sensory Translator do just as good a job as the ES-8? Given time I may be able to answer this myself.

LZX Industries' modules open up a whole new modular world to discover! I am grateful for owning them and coming across them when I did. Their backlog is massive due to high demand. I have an ongoing project in mind and these just took everything to a different level. Amazing stuff indeed.

Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!!

User avatar
O1B
Posts: 1355
Joined: 26 Jan 2015

Post 18 Mar 2019

YOUR message is my lesson for the day. LZX has been on my radar - but I've felt like being in that Zoolander scene reading about it


It's been that way finding my Best Gear, now that I think about it: Native Inst, Moog, Pioneer, MXR, Propellerhead...

"LZX Industries' modules open up a whole new modular world to discover! "
- Bingo! I'm on it!

btw, I may be mistaken but was it you that started out your modular using a box as a skiff?
whoever it was - it was THAT IMAGE, here on reasontalk.com, that got me into modular in the first place.

If it was you, Thank you. Sincerely.
Jagwah wrote:
18 Mar 2019
O1B wrote:
16 Mar 2019
I have never tried LZX, but I will some day. the module you linked is Very interesting. I've never researched their products. I will now.
I have been thinking about this for the past few days and I keep coming back to how much easier this must all be with the envelope follower module (LZX Sensory Translator). I can design sounds to manipulate that module, I can also use CV to audio converters and vice versa inside Reason to take my sounds or CV data and send it through an audio out to the Sensory Translator. I already had this module working (I'm away from home right now) and it was simple, audio out to its in and bam it's in action (looks cool too with coloured LEDs). The ES-8 was and is a pain to get going, soundcard issues, driver issues, I am not looking forward to tackling it again to be honest. The question I am considering now is can the Sensory Translator do just as good a job as the ES-8? Given time I may be able to answer this myself.

LZX Industries' modules open up a whole new modular world to discover! I am grateful for owning them and coming across them when I did. Their backlog is massive due to high demand. I have an ongoing project in mind and these just took everything to a different level. Amazing stuff indeed.

Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!!

User avatar
Jagwah
Posts: 1340
Joined: 16 Jan 2015

Post 18 Mar 2019

O1B wrote:
18 Mar 2019
YOUR message is my lesson for the day. LZX has been on my radar - but I've felt like being in that Zoolander scene reading about it

...btw, I may be mistaken but was it you that started out your modular using a box as a skiff?
whoever it was - it was THAT IMAGE, here on reasontalk.com, that got me into modular in the first place.

If it was you, Thank you. Sincerely.

Haha love the Zoolander reference :D

I remember seeing that cardboard skiff, wasn't me though :) It's great Eurorack can be done 'reasonably' cheaply, TipTop Audio modules are a big help there too.

LZX Industries recently put out some videos that lay down a few of the basics. I swear it sounds like a less enthusiastic Ryan Harlin on these videos. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... CwIJq1q9OI

The video modules are very complex, but you can learn by tweaking just the same as with audio synths. People seem to use video synthesis for shape generation, or for mangling a video signal in different ways. People also do 'Installations' where they project the visuals on to a live band or similar. It's very open to experimentation and it's given me lots of ideas to go with.

User avatar
O1B
Posts: 1355
Joined: 26 Jan 2015

Post 19 Mar 2019

The video integration of the OP-Z and LZX interest me in how I can re-applying the information to my Sound.

Paratek's new modules returned me to thoughts on such explorations recently.
Image

But, I wanted something a little - scratch that - a LOT MORE - interactive.

War of the Ants... Liquid TV... Polar Fringe and Marble... Escher Sketch...! Wow!
The LZX Industries Sensory Translator very interesting by spec for sure.

I do hope Nick Batt does some upcoming videos.... LZX does not make their videos easy to watch.
Castle 100 Multi Gate seems a no-brainer - when it's released.

Thanks again.
Jagwah wrote:
18 Mar 2019
...
The video modules are very complex, but you can learn by tweaking just the same as with audio synths. People seem to use video synthesis for shape generation, or for mangling a video signal in different ways. People also do 'Installations' where they project the visuals on to a live band or similar. It's very open to experimentation and it's given me lots of ideas to go with.

  • Information
  • Who is online

    Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot] and 1 guest