Does anyone actually benefit from instrument tags?

[FGL]

So can anyone really do something with the terms? Things like sad, slow, cool, quiet, dark, digital, soft. I would never categorize my own sounds like that. Most of the time, the things I put together can be used in different contexts. They can be used in a funny or a sad context. Where are the limits? You can't separate them like a child's game and say, these are squares, these are triangles, this is a house, this is a tree, this is a dog.

The whole approach already fails with libraries and literature. That's hundreds of years of experience in categorization. And separations only exist in the roughest kind. But one category: sad, cool, books?

[crimsonwarlock]

A tagging system is only useful if we can use our own tags. The way we categorize our things, is highly personal. Tags like sad, slow, cool, dark, digital, are completely useless to me.

[bxbrkrz]

For the next generation the word 'book' will be as useful in a conversation as 'gramophone' is today. CRISPR will help create new animals. The concept of "this is a dog" will be a thing of the past, like the dodo.

I like tags so I can subvert them. I make funny music with "sad slow cooking trombone".

[FGL]

A tagging system is only useful if we can use our own tags. The way we categorize our things, is highly personal. Tags like sad, slow, cool, dark, digital, are completely useless to me.

Someone who understands me. You can play a bass funny or sad. And most good things can hardly be categorized anyway. And for instruments: at what pitch?

[FGL]

For the next generation the word 'book' will be as useful in a conversation as 'gramophone' is today. CRISPR will help create new animals. The concept of "this is a dog" will be a thing of the past, like the dodo.

I like tags so I can subvert them. I make funny music with "sad slow cooking trombone".

I don't think that far into the future. Maybe we also have to learn Chinese or make music with bones on fur again after the pole shift.

[DaveyG]

Some tags are more useful than others. Things like dark, soft, thick, slow, deep are all sensible examples to me, especially when I consider them along with categories. Slow Strings, Deep Bass, Soft Pluck etc. Other are more on the daft side. Digital, melodic, cool etc.

Occasionally I'll fire up Analog Lab or Omnisphere, both of which have thousands and thousands of presets, and I'll deliberately choose an oddball or amusing tag to see what sounds I find.

Tags are just another tool in the toolbox and with an overwhelming amount of libraries, synths, sounds, samples and presets at our disposal we need all the help we can get to make sense of them.

[Loque]

I like tags. Helps me to quickly find the sound I am looking for without trying 1000 sounds before I find the right one.

[bxbrkrz]

For the next generation the word 'book' will be as useful in a conversation as 'gramophone' is today. CRISPR will help create new animals. The concept of "this is a dog" will be a thing of the past, like the dodo.

I like tags so I can subvert them. I make funny music with "sad slow cooking trombone".

I don't think that far into the future. Maybe we also have to learn Chinese or make music with bones on fur again after the pole shift.

AI can translate Chinese in real time so no need to learn any languages ever, or learn anything else really.
Animal bones and their fur will be hard to find, and most likely illegal to collect, since our food will be in the shape of protein bricks made from AI controlled organically grown insects.
Drums are also used as a mean of communication. Since AI will be at the core of monitoring all communications to avoid the spread of miss-dis-mal-information, the ownership of such loud, powerful and dangerous instrument will be highly regulated, for our own collective good.
If you want to listen to music feel free to use your allocated credit score tokens and play among billions upon billions upon billions of songs auto generated in the past 30 days, but only between 7 PM to 8 PM when inside your pod. No need for a volume control.

Have a good and safe day

[FGL]

I like tags. Helps me to quickly find the sound I am looking for without trying 1000 sounds before I find the right one.

Or you can quickly find thousands of sounds that don't fit properly.

[FGL]

I don't think that far into the future. Maybe we also have to learn Chinese or make music with bones on fur again after the pole shift.

No need for a volume control.

Have a good and safe day

Volume control? Have I read that correctly? Volume control? An AI can never do that. An AI cannot do what modern computers cannot do. Without hardware hacks nothing can be done properly with the volume. Recently, even the advertising on the computer is louder than the rest.

In addition, AI can't even translate properly from German to English, as I just noticed again, so you have to be careful (the AI ​​doesn't know that).
(Giggle) AI doesn't translate "AI doesn't know that" without an article. Here you have to write German like a lawyer so that the AI ​​can translate it.

Bones and skin-covered drums, that's the future.

[bxbrkrz]

No need for a volume control.

Have a good and safe day

Volume control? Have I read that correctly? Volume control? An AI can never do that. An AI cannot do what modern computers cannot do. Without hardware hacks nothing can be done properly with the volume. Recently, even the advertising on the computer is louder than the rest.

In addition, AI can't even translate properly from German to English, as I just noticed again, so you have to be careful (the AI ​​doesn't know that).
(Giggle) AI doesn't translate "AI doesn't know that" without an article. Here you have to write German like a lawyer so that the AI ​​can translate it.

Bones and skin-covered drums, that's the future.

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I hope this is not too off topic

[Loque]

I like tags. Helps me to quickly find the sound I am looking for without trying 1000 sounds before I find the right one.

Or you can quickly find thousands of sounds that don't fit properly.

Or all of them fit

[Pepin]

A proper tagging system lets you assign multiple tags, so they're not mutually exclusive boxes.

[QVprod]

Just use the tags that make sense to you. The whole point is there’s some gems in the FSB you might never find if you’re trying to go through them manually.

And if you’re an R+ user (or own RS devices), even more so since it also includes the RE patches and sound packs in the search

[crimsonwarlock]

The whole point is there’s some gems in the FSB you might never find

The whole point is that we get a tagging system that we can use in our workflow. So, if I work mainly with my own sounds, a tagging system that is solely aimed at finding stuff in the FSB, is useless to me. This means I get a whole new browser that adds zero new functionality, makes for a clunky workflow, and I lose the favorite categorization of the devices.

So far, this is a lose-lose proposition for me.

[QVprod]

The whole point is there’s some gems in the FSB you might never find

The whole point is that we get a tagging system that we can use in our workflow. So, if I work mainly with my own sounds, a tagging system that is solely aimed at finding stuff in the FSB, is useless to me. This means I get a whole new browser that adds zero new functionality, makes for a clunky workflow, and I lose the favorite categorization of the devices.

So far, this is a lose-lose proposition for me.

If you're one of the few people who only use their own sounds, you can still tag them in a way that makes sense. Even if the tag is simple as 'pluck', 'bass', pad, or keys'. I'm sure those are options. That's why I said just use the tags that make sense. don't use 'cool' if that's not how you'd describe a sound. Also as I mentioned, the tags aren't just the FSB. R+ sound packs and RS rack extension patches are also included in that I'm sure.

I make sounds as well. Did some patches for R12 and a few sound packs. But I'm happy to discover work that's been done for me. Makes the song creation process faster.

[crimsonwarlock]

If you're one of the few people who only use their own sounds, you can still tag them in a way that makes sense.

Not if the available tags make no sense in the way you work. And, in my case, it is less about sounds, and more about processing presets for FX. Like being able to tag, for example, Reverb presets for specific things like a snare, or background vocals. Same for distortion, amps, etc. I have specific use-cases for specific FX, and I've been waiting for the option to tag stuff like that, to streamline that workflow. Right now in R12, I have an elaborate folder setup (instead of favorites, which are only one level), but maintaining that is cumbersome and a clear target for tagging. I was really looking forward to that workflow enhancement.

And to state the obvious, I don't remember ever coming across a tagging system that didn't let me create my own tags.

[DaveyG]

If you don't like 'em, don't use 'em. It's not compulsory.

[crimsonwarlock]

If you don't like 'em, don't use 'em. It's not compulsory.

... and in that case, the new browser has nothing over the current one

[DaveyG]

If you don't like 'em, don't use 'em. It's not compulsory.

... and in that case, the new browser has nothing over the current one

You seem determined to shoot down R13 before it has even arrived. Not sure why you feel the need to do that but be assured that no-one will give a fuck if you choose to stay with an earlier version. That's what I did when R12 landed.

I'm still on R11. R13 has me on the fence at present. I might upgrade but I won't be jumping on it on day one. I'll be waiting for the price to be right and for the inevitable launch day bugs to be squashed.

[Pepin]

If you don't like 'em, don't use 'em. It's not compulsory.

... and in that case, the new browser has nothing over the current one

It has full keyboard control, which I've wanted for years. I'd say that's something.
That said, I agree tags and device categories should be editable.

[motuscott]

I had this one gnarly Reason skin tag but was able to burn it off with a strong blast using general MIDI percussion map#1
Only works in SCSI

[bxbrkrz]

C.S.I SCSI was my favorite TV show, until it was actively terminated.

[crimsonwarlock]

You seem determined to shoot down R13 before it has even arrived.

That is a strange assessment of me just pointing out a fact. If you take the tags out of the new browser, you are left with the sidebar in that browser, and that is basically the same as the current browser in R12.

I was hyped when they announced the tagging system, as that has been my number one feature request. But now it seems to be a half assed implementation that let Reason studios tag their presets as they want, but not let me tag my presets the way I want. From a UX perspective, this is really bad design, and I really don't understand what they were thinking.

I probably upgrade anyway, as I do think the new editing pane in the sequencer will be great to have. But if that is the only thing I'll get from the upgrade, as the devices don't cover any new ground either, it's going to be an expensive upgrade for me.

[Loque]

.... But now it seems to be a half assed implementation that let Reason studios tag their presets as they want, but not let me tag my presets the way I want. From a UX perspective, this is really bad design, and I really don't understand what they were thinking....

Not a bad design, but a starting point IMO. If we always want the final final final uber finished totally 200% feature, we would nothing get in between and probably never would see the final feature.

The point is just, that RS needs to keep on continuing and building on "half arsed" features and here i get your concerns. We all hoped for updates of several things which are already great, but could be better... But also here i speculate the strategy is to keep up with the most urgent things, than improve something older (hopefully)... Just speculating and saying, what my strategy would be