AI - Cheating or just evolution?

[crimsonwarlock]

I'm also sure many a musician scoffed at the idea of sequencers as they first arrived on the scene.

You could say that a music score on paper is a sequencer that can run a whole orchestra

[Chizmata]

well, AI is here and it's not gonna go away. just like photography, tape recording or sampling which were and are discussed similarly. i don't really know how it applies to music though, i only know of picture generation - and those often look surreal, but good for my amateur eyes. But i don't know how much human-controlled programming/AI learning, handpicking and finishing touches are involved. Also, 50% of an artists job is making aesthetic judgements and i don't see an AI doing that.

[selig]

It's a question of perspective, really. You can go online and buy some construction kits and loops and put together a passable track without ever having to play a single note. Is that cheating? I'd say it isn't particularly creative on the part of the producer, but I'm also sure that it goes on all the time. I'm also sure many a musician scoffed at the idea of sequencers as they first arrived on the scene. "Nobody wants to listen to computers controlling synths, it's all artificial!"

What it will eventually come down to is: is it good? Does it make something people like to listen to? If it does, it will be used, ethical or not.

I realize I’m repeating myself - again!
I’ve heard plenty of creative uses of existing loops etc, but it IS more difficult to be absolutely original (to the degree anyone of us is “original”). I think of the folks who make great DJs because they know what works together. Knowing what works is the first requirement of a producer/writer/arranger IMO because even if you can come up with the coolest riffs in the world, if you don’t recognize how and where they work you could end up discarding them.
And in knowing what works and works together with other elements, you don’t necessarily have to be the one who creates the elements. I’m thinking of the great producers who direct musicians towards the end goal but possibly couldn’t come up with a great hook to save their lives! Their skill is in recognizing greatness and is seeing how to make various elements work together in a “whole is greater than the sum of the parts” way.

[bxbrkrz]

[bxbrkrz]

[jam-s]

AI art is just showcasing how everything is a Remix so artists should imho "just deal with it" as their inspiration also does not come from thin air.

[bxbrkrz]

[selig]

AI art is just showcasing how everything is a Remix so artists should imho "just deal with it" as their inspiration also does not come from thin air.

But is EVERYTHING a remix, or are we just building on what came before (there is a difference IMO)?

[bxbrkrz]

[Aosta]

Things are moving forward at a crazy rate

[Loque]

Things are moving forward at a crazy rate

I am wondering that this is still on and wasn't taken down by some copyright trolls or algorithms.

[visheshl]

Man im happy id be long dead before all of this nonsense takes full form.
And im happy i got to enjoy a world with just enough technology, not less not more, just enough. For example, a nice manual transmission car,rather than a self driving EV, or a horse cart.
Or a music studio in a laptop with synths, samplers etc rather than a make music AI button, nor a completely analog studio with tape machines

[visheshl]

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This is the future with AI
I certainly do not want to say hey google make me a cup of tea, and be served a liquid not entirely unlike tea.
Ill make my own cup,thank you very much

Same with music and art.

[DaveyG]

We get closer to HAL every day.
"Alexa turn on the heating"
"Sorry Dave, I'm busy right now. You'll have to wait."

[visheshl]

We get closer to HAL every day.
"Alexa turn on the heating"
"Sorry Dave, I'm busy right now. You'll have to wait."

Yup...

[selig]

We get closer to HAL every day.
"Alexa turn on the heating"
"Sorry Dave, I'm busy right now. You'll have to wait."

Maybe so, but we’re also getting closer to the day you ask the music generator to generate some uplifting music to party to, or clean house, or read, or go to sleep to. We literally will not need content creators in the future - but hopefully we will still recognize the flawed beauty of the human artist.

[DaveyG]

We get closer to HAL every day.
"Alexa turn on the heating"
"Sorry Dave, I'm busy right now. You'll have to wait."

Maybe so, but we’re also getting closer to the day you ask the music generator to generate some uplifting music to party to, or clean house, or read, or go to sleep to. We literally will not need content creators in the future - but hopefully we will still recognize the flawed beauty of the human artist.

In a weird way Amazon have recently taken the next step towards that but with existing songs rather than generated ones.

The cut down version of Amazon Music that is part of a Prime subscription was "upgraded" a few months ago. Previously you could listen to any of 2 million songs - a subset of their full offering of 70 million songs. Now they've changed it to give you access to the full 70 million songs but in "shuffle play". Shuffle play is marketing speak for not being able to play a specific song. You search for your favourite song, press play and you get a different song from a different artist! If you listen to enough songs you will get some from the artist you originally chose, maybe even the song you originally wanted. To add insult to injury they have limited the number of times you can skip a song to about 6 per hour. I've even got playlists that I've made and they behave the same. It's left me scratching my head somewhat.

So you ask the machine for something and it chooses to play something different. #uninstalled

[bxbrkrz]

Do AI dream of owning no electric sheep and be happy about it?

[DaveyG]

Do AI dream of owning no electric sheep and be happy about it?

No. AI dreams of you asking for electric sheep but then gives you diesel cattle.
AI thinks any form of powered four-legged ruminant will do.

[Enukito Ascii]

I only make music for my own kicks, so don't really care honestly. A lot of times I start with a virtual instrument just to get an idea going then tweak it out into my own thing. Some might call that cheating, but like I said, don't really care because I'm just in it for the fun and don't expect to ever make a dime from music I produce anyway.

Another comparison perhaps would be I've been a painter my whole life. In the old timey days the technique to effectively enlarge your sketch would be the grid method. Nowadays I can doodle an idea on my phone and if it turns out would look cool as an actual painting I can use a digital projector to easily enlarge and sketch it to canvas.

Cheating? I don't think so. Why use a handsaw when you have a power tool? In the end the thing I make will still be unlike anything anybody else would create. Everybody on this board could use only the same 10 free generic public samples creatively and every song would end up unique.

[selig]

Maybe so, but we’re also getting closer to the day you ask the music generator to generate some uplifting music to party to, or clean house, or read, or go to sleep to. We literally will not need content creators in the future - but hopefully we will still recognize the flawed beauty of the human artist.

In a weird way Amazon have recently taken the next step towards that but with existing songs rather than generated ones.

The cut down version of Amazon Music that is part of a Prime subscription was "upgraded" a few months ago. Previously you could listen to any of 2 million songs - a subset of their full offering of 70 million songs. Now they've changed it to give you access to the full 70 million songs but in "shuffle play". Shuffle play is marketing speak for not being able to play a specific song. You search for your favourite song, press play and you get a different song from a different artist! If you listen to enough songs you will get some from the artist you originally chose, maybe even the song you originally wanted. To add insult to injury they have limited the number of times you can skip a song to about 6 per hour. I've even got playlists that I've made and they behave the same. It's left me scratching my head somewhat.

So you ask the machine for something and it chooses to play something different. #uninstalled

That's actually about as human as terrestrial radio used to be, when you'd call up the station/dj to request a song and then be prepared to listen to MANY different songs and MAYBE a song by the artist you requested - or even the actual song if you were super lucky!
Radio was the original "shuffle play", with zero options to skip songs. So I guess we should be glad for the ability to ever skip a song - progress?!?

[bxbrkrz]

Do AI dream of owning no electric sheep and be happy about it?

No. AI dreams of you asking for electric sheep but then gives you diesel cattle.
AI thinks any form of powered four-legged ruminant will do.

Not even a 8 legged methane burping cattle shaped as nightmarish giant killer spiders? Text-to-Image prompt?

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[Fotu]

In a weird way Amazon have recently taken the next step towards that but with existing songs rather than generated ones.

The cut down version of Amazon Music that is part of a Prime subscription was "upgraded" a few months ago. Previously you could listen to any of 2 million songs - a subset of their full offering of 70 million songs. Now they've changed it to give you access to the full 70 million songs but in "shuffle play". Shuffle play is marketing speak for not being able to play a specific song. You search for your favourite song, press play and you get a different song from a different artist! If you listen to enough songs you will get some from the artist you originally chose, maybe even the song you originally wanted. To add insult to injury they have limited the number of times you can skip a song to about 6 per hour. I've even got playlists that I've made and they behave the same. It's left me scratching my head somewhat.

So you ask the machine for something and it chooses to play something different. #uninstalled

That sounds like they've altered the service so it no longer qualifies as an 'interactive' service, hence avoiding the higher content licensing fees that come with interactive services (such as their 'Unlimited' tier with additional monthly fee).

[jappe]

We get closer to HAL every day.
"Alexa turn on the heating"
"Sorry Dave, I'm busy right now. You'll have to wait."

I'm already frequently getting the Google Home version of that; the mysterious "Something went wrong".

One day I repeatedly asked it to play music, just like I use to.
But computer said No: "There is no car registered"

[Aosta]

And now we have MusicLM
This is just the beginning and considering how far AI imaging has come in just a year we will be creating our tracks by text very soon.
Love it or hate it AI is going absolutely nowhere and will be an integral part of our lives from here on in.