JJ Abrams: Lack of plan in Star Wars’ latest trilogy was a “critical” flaw

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Post 28 May 2021

orthodox wrote:
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That's why most on here are offended. Because they saw the originals at an age where they believed....
I didn't believe, I just found it fascinating how teddy bears lurk in the woods and other stuff.
Russian bears can play the trumpet. Ewoks lurking in space forest? That was easy to believe :puf_smile:

I just hope your rich myths and culture could be explored and shared on screens across the world one day.
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Post 28 May 2021

Didn't Abrams write Lost? He should have learned from that, but didn't
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Post 28 May 2021

My favourite rendition of Imperial March:


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JJ is a big synth head. Maybe he could be forgiven for all his mystery boxes he created for Lost, and Fringe, and Star Trek, and SW, and (future DCU movies and their Bad Robot's $500M deal).
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Post 28 May 2021

DaveyG wrote:
28 May 2021
challism wrote:
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They are classics and a nostalgic part of my childhood.
That's why most on here are offended. Because they saw the originals at an age where they believed....
By "on here" you mean planet Earth, right?
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Post 29 May 2021

bxbrkrz wrote:
28 May 2021
It is impossible to describe how I felt when I saw a lightsaber, and how its sound matched it so perfectly back then.
Too right.

I'm happy to watch the new stuff. I like seeing the imagery of smashed up ruins of ATAT's and so on. But I'm over it. They can stuff thier fanchise wherever they like. It can't touch my experience as a child.

I switch off after Empire. I enjoyed Jedi as a kid but when I look back, Empire was the end of it.
The teddy bears... but also, look at how Boba Fett dies. It was such a let down.
Down hill from there.
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Post 29 May 2021

plaamook wrote:
29 May 2021
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 May 2021
It is impossible to describe how I felt when I saw a lightsaber, and how its sound matched it so perfectly back then.
Too right.

I'm happy to watch the new stuff. I like seeing the imagery of smashed up ruins of ATAT's and so on. But I'm over it. They can stuff thier fanchise wherever they like. It can't touch my experience as a child.

I switch off after Empire. I enjoyed Jedi as a kid but when I look back, Empire was the end of it.
The teddy bears... but also, look at how Boba Fett dies. It was such a let down.
Down hill from there.
LOL you're gonna be so miffed when the aliens from the UFO thread turn out to be Ewoks
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Post 29 May 2021

plaamook wrote:
29 May 2021
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 May 2021
It is impossible to describe how I felt when I saw a lightsaber, and how its sound matched it so perfectly back then.
Too right.

I'm happy to watch the new stuff. I like seeing the imagery of smashed up ruins of ATAT's and so on. But I'm over it. They can stuff thier fanchise wherever they like. It can't touch my experience as a child.

I switch off after Empire. I enjoyed Jedi as a kid but when I look back, Empire was the end of it.
The teddy bears... but also, look at how Boba Fett dies. It was such a let down.
Down hill from there.
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Post 06 Jun 2021

challism wrote:
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Let's not talk about Han. I'm still very salty about that. What an absolute waste of a character.

Let's talk about Rey. You can sit on a barren rock starving and dying of thirst for 20 odd years then pick up a lightsaber and you're a Jedi master. What a load of old tosh.
Love how they totally marginalised Finn in the later movies. Arrgghhh. It genuinely makes me angry how they fucked over Star Wars.
Totally agree. They ruined it. George Lucas is pretty overrated, if you ask me. And from what I've seen, he pretty much stole a lot of the ideas he used to make the first trilogy. I still love them, though. They are classics and a nostalgic part of my childhood.
I have grown to resent and resist nostalgia in almost every form now because of how corrosive it has become to creativity and open-mindedness, especially with how much it is abused by corporate media these days. For a large chunk of my life I would've considered myself a Star Wars nerd who'd get excited about the tiniest references, but now I cringe whenever hearing some equivalent to “Think about the fans!” Ugh. Instead of endlessly recycling my childhood I'd rather see creative cinematic populist art that’ll stand the test of time and inspire future generations. Just imagine how awesome it must’ve felt making A New Hope and Empire when the filmmakers didn’t have to second guess everything they did based on fan reaction and had the freedom to create anything their imaginations could envision. Now every Star Wars movie is forever enslaved by the same flavors of story beats, character archetypes, designs and iconography. It’s all hardened and sacrosanct now, so any large deviation is now seen as a betrayal. I can’t imagine why any creative, talented filmmaker would ever want to touch this franchise now; Too much baggage.
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Post 06 Jun 2021

Taking risks is too risky now. Everything old needs to be safely :recycle:
Creativity will become a suspicious concept.
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Post 18 Jul 2021

bxbrkrz wrote:
06 Jun 2021
Taking risks is too risky now. Everything old needs to be safely :recycle:
Creativity will become a suspicious concept.
That's the real problem.

Even the MCU became safe and formulaic towards the end. But they managed to pull it off!

It's tough. In order to get the funds, you have to convince the funders that the product will make money, and they refuse to acknowledge that creatives might know a thing or two about how to do that and instead cling to an ideology that is not compatible with what they're trying to achieve.

The suits seem to be learning now though with the successes of all of the franchises they thought wouldn't make much money, so let the producers have more creative control. But I give it 5-10 years until they've have completely forgotten.
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Post 18 Jul 2021

avasopht wrote:
18 Jul 2021
bxbrkrz wrote:
06 Jun 2021
Taking risks is too risky now. Everything old needs to be safely :recycle:
Creativity will become a suspicious concept.
That's the real problem.

Even the MCU became safe and formulaic towards the end. But they managed to pull it off!

It's tough. In order to get the funds, you have to convince the funders that the product will make money, and they refuse to acknowledge that creatives might know a thing or two about how to do that and instead cling to an ideology that is not compatible with what they're trying to achieve.

The suits seem to be learning now though with the successes of all of the franchises they thought wouldn't make much money, so let the producers have more creative control. But I give it 5-10 years until they've have completely forgotten.
No idea who this dude is. It was a YT's algo suggestion from yesterday.
And today I am reading your reply.


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Post 18 Jul 2021

bxbrkrz wrote:
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No idea who this dude is. It was a YT's algo suggestion from yesterday.
And today I am reading your reply.


Hail ye almighty YouTube Suggestion Algorithm 👍🙏
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Post 18 Jul 2021

avasopht wrote:
18 Jul 2021
bxbrkrz wrote:
18 Jul 2021
No idea who this dude is. It was a YT's algo suggestion from yesterday.
And today I am reading your reply.


Hail ye almighty YouTube Suggestion Algorithm 👍🙏
Hail Digital Serendipity Minority Report.
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Post 24 Jul 2021

I think a lot of the prob w this junk is that they don’t try for discrete films. It’s always pet cemetery raise the dead story writing.
But really the SW universe is just cool. There’s room to move around.
Rogue One worked well enough I thought.

Look at 007 films. Same guy different adventure. Discrete episodes. Works better. Doesn’t need to beat the same old epic to death.
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