The drugs don't work..

[plaamook]

Well, there's The Animals, Super Furry Animals, etc

[Auryn]

Well, there's The Animals, Super Furry Animals, etc

used to be one of my favourite bands, before they just up and disappeared

BTW the youtube channel "Rebel Wisdom" has a pretty interesting series on the so called "psychedelic renaissance"

[DaveyG]

Ah, damn it... Further research indicates that this has already been done.

Now you're showing your age.

[demt]

The state pushes sum drugs not others =take a drug or else.

[dannyF]

They might be just as well looking into making profits on the newly legalized market. The line between medical and recreational use is blurred.

Been following it a while. They’ve been testing microdosing with psilocybin and LSD on severe depression in terminal cancer patients. The thought is that the brain gets a reboot. The most recent research however showed that, when comparing with the control group who had received a placebo, there was no significant difference in perceived mood or feelings about their situation.

That goes against the findings from my own research. What is your source out of curiosity?

What I have read on the subject is that the majority have experienced more positive feelings and at least partial resolution of internal conflicts of the fear of death etc etc.

[MrFigg]

Been following it a while. They’ve been testing microdosing with psilocybin and LSD on severe depression in terminal cancer patients. The thought is that the brain gets a reboot. The most recent research however showed that, when comparing with the control group who had received a placebo, there was no significant difference in perceived mood or feelings about their situation.

That goes against the findings from my own research. What is your source out of curiosity?

What I have read on the subject is that the majority have experienced more positive feelings and at least partial resolution of internal conflicts of the fear of death etc etc.

Imperial College London, Centre for Psychedelic Research.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/216134/ ... t-explain/

[dannyF]

That goes against the findings from my own research. What is your source out of curiosity?

What I have read on the subject is that the majority have experienced more positive feelings and at least partial resolution of internal conflicts of the fear of death etc etc.

Imperial College London, Centre for Psychedelic Research.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/216134/ ... t-explain/

This comes from a country and a culture that is very conservative and against psychedelics. The fact that is so polar opposed to any consensus data to date on the subject is very suspect to me. Its pretty much saying the opposite of every known study done in the past.

[MrFigg]

Imperial College London, Centre for Psychedelic Research.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/216134/ ... t-explain/

This comes from a country and a culture that is very conservative and against psychedelics.

Ok.
You asked.
They have a specific faculty set up for research into the medical benefits of psychedelics. What more can I tell you.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/psychedelic- ... /research/

[dannyF]

isn't everything chemical at the end of the day?

thoughts, beliefs, feelings, things we ingest through sight, sound, touch, taste.....etc etc all can be reduced to chemical interactions.

[plaamook]

isn't everything chemical at the end of the day?

Doesn’t look like it.
There’s an obvious correlation between mind and grey matter but I think only die hard religious grade materialists think anyone’s gonna explain consciousness and subjective experience by reducing everything to chemicals at this point.

[EdGrip]

I suspect microdosing (i.e. doses below the threshold at which you can perceive any conscious effect at all) is largely placebo.

The point of psychedelics and their capacity for changing/improving outlook, in my view, is the experience of the trip.
Also, I would've thought the rapid tolerance to psilocybin, and LSD especially, means it's not possible to "microdose" continuously?

[MrFigg]

I suspect microdosing (i.e. doses below the threshold at which you can perceive any conscious effect at all) is largely placebo.

The point of psychedelics and their capacity for changing/improving outlook, in my view, is the experience of the trip.
Also, I would've thought the rapid tolerance to psilocybin, and LSD especially, means it's not possible to "microdose" continuously?

Yep

[Auryn]

well, with all this mention of mycellar microdosing I more or less have to paste this, the best song ever (IMHO) written about mushrooms, "I dosed and became invisible" by Joy Zipper:

I always knew it was about mushrooms, but I could never quite make out the chorus until I saw this clip and it dawned on me that the lyrics are "psilocybin every day / blew my mind in every way / the answer crawled into my brain / psilocybin every day"

this song was written early 2000s so before the advent of 'microdosing', so in a way it's prophetic LOL

[Gardinski]

Been following it a while. They’ve been testing microdosing with psilocybin and LSD on severe depression in terminal cancer patients. The thought is that the brain gets a reboot. The most recent research however showed that, when comparing with the control group who had received a placebo, there was no significant difference in perceived mood or feelings about their situation.

That goes against the findings from my own research. What is your source out of curiosity?

What I have read on the subject is that the majority have experienced more positive feelings and at least partial resolution of internal conflicts of the fear of death etc etc.

Interestingly enough, Russell Brand has just posted THIS to his Youtube channel... (within the last 24 hours, anyway). Proof positive that he's been earwigging on our conversations - the cheeky monkey.

[dannyF]

I suspect microdosing (i.e. doses below the threshold at which you can perceive any conscious effect at all) is largely placebo.

I would find it very difficult to attempt to speak with authority ( or even to guess ) on what other people personally experience.

[dannyF]

I would've thought the rapid tolerance to psilocybin, and LSD especially, means it's not possible to "microdose" continuously?

Everything I've read on the subject includes a 'down time' for your body to reset itself.

All it takes is 2-3 days. Microdosing as I understand it includes breaks after 2-3 ( or xxx ) days of use. Its personal and we have different but similar physiology.

[motuscott]

It's all a crazy dream